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Not seen this on here yet but the models are lovely, they used to belong to Andrea or Pegaso I think? They've had a name change, still look awesome though. Bit pricey but worth a look, I think.
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Backed. £47 for two large minis like those, plus the game, is actually pretty good value when you look at what the likes of Andrea charge for a 75mm scale mini.
Plus it is like nothing else I play or intend to play, and I've always wanted a one-on-one duelling type game.
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azreal13 wrote: Backed. £47 for two large minis like those, plus the game, is actually pretty good value when you look at what the likes of Andrea charge for a 75mm scale mini.
Plus it is like nothing else I play or intend to play, and I've always wanted a one-on-one duelling type game.
I like them for just being some outstanding pieces, i'll just use 'em for display. They were a part of the Scale 75 range and cost a pretty penny individually, there are plenty of wonderful example of them painted up on CmON.
Seeing as how the entire archetype is based off Frazetta's artworks, it's pretty much a trope. While it does indeed look to be at least partially inspired by the D3 artwork, There are only so many ways to draw/paint/sculpt a bodybuilder in a fur diaper with loincloth and ugg boots.
Lovely figures. Not a fan of the gigantic bases for gaming, but I would be more likely to be just buying these for display rather than out of any interest in starting yet another game... The lack of a single figure buy-in counts me out at those prices, though. Curse you Christmas!
Might have to just keep an eye out for them post-Kickstarter.
I am not a 100% sure, but I think Scala75 is an offshoot of Andrea (I got unsolicited news from them, while being signed up to Andrea).
This campaign is by a new company called Scala Games that is registered in UKiirc and has obvious connections to Scala75 as is stated on the campaign page.
Their plan is for a game and the figures offered are somewhat simpler versions of the Scala75 offerings in fewer pieces and resin instead of metal.
One of the stretchgoals offers them as prepainted figures - and if you are a painter you get extra bits to customise your figure instead.
Having backed this early on (mainly for figure painting) - they are keen to listen to feedback and change stuff based on what's being said in the comments section.
If you are interested in larger figures, and you want to have a say in the direction this is heading - I think this might be a good time to head over and check this one out.
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I was going to make a post about this kickstarter, but it seems I am late to the party!
An interesting line, to be sure. My interest in it is mainly in the female miniatures that they have been coaxed into adding (having come late to the party I'm making up for it by hectoring the campaign regularly on this topic in the comments, ).
As an aside, while I think my comment history shows that I generally do not make demands that there be female options, I find it mind-boggling that a miniature campaign featuring big centerpiece miniatures would be launched without any females in the line-up. In fact, the two they put in as stretch goals are... KS Exclusives. So no matter what, no women in the retail version of the game.
The most recent unlock, while I am on the topic;
And yes, you will note that while the original guys are 25GBP each she's 30GBP. There is apparently a 20% breast surcharge, or so it would seem!
Lovely figures. Not a fan of the gigantic bases for gaming, but I would be more likely to be just buying these for display rather than out of any interest in starting yet another game... The lack of a single figure buy-in counts me out at those prices, though. Curse you Christmas!
Might have to just keep an eye out for them post-Kickstarter.
LMAO! Beat me to it by a few weeks...
Well, the poses are not dynamic enough for me, for large figures, I would prefer some dynamic fighting poses. IMO
I think a game like that has potential, I like the dueling in Blue Max where the players plotted moves, then went into the fight. I'm interested in this. I'll agree though, I like my GW size figures.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.
I must say, I knew that there was a connection between this campaign and Scale75. What I did not know was that everything in this campaign (with the exception of the female models the backers essentially forced on the campaign) are already available at Scale75.
Seriously, "Ernakh of the Steppe", meet Attila. Ragnar of the North, meet Erik the Red. Hallowthon, Elf Assasin meet the Dark Elf. Lesdinn, Drow Swordmaster meet "the Drow" (clever). Brock the Barbarian meet... uh, Brock the Wanderer (not as clever). So on and so forth.
I'm honestly at a loss as to what is actually being funded here. Looking at the front page, one will note that they are always quite nebulious about where the money is to go, and the "Risks and Challenges" from the front page comes perilously close to outright misrepresentation at times.
Spoiler:
Risks and challenges
Our biggest risks are:
• Unexpected production issues in China.
• Additional work related to the stretch goals.
• Timely release.
All components shown are prototypes and may suffer variations during production.
Unexpected problems affect us all, but we are well situated to closely monitor the production in China – We have more tan 10 years experience working with China and know the business culture well.
We have contacted our suppliers and have set a production schedule and costs for various scenarios of the Kickstarter campaign, from a simple success to "beat all the records".
We also have an important advantage which is having all the miniature designs and the phisical prototypes so, we can start the production of these miniatures the next day after the campaign finishes.
It is impossible to predict how many of our stretch goals will be funded. Work has started on some and we do not expect the early stretch goals to affect the delivery deadline. However, a large list of stretch goals will generate extra work that may take some extra time to complete.
We may choose short delays to avoid compromising our quality.
You'll note the references to "prototypes" being shown: other then a single image of alternate components, which might be of new components, every single image is taken from the Scale75 page. I haven't check them all, but what I have checked even has the same background, all they did was take out the company logo!
I... aye yay aye aye....
I guess this campaign is pretty sweet if you are in the market for some Scale75 models at a nice discount (and don't mind the shipping interval being 24 weeks rather then 24 hours, but whatev'). But dayum.
Too tired to comment at length now, but I think you should go take another look as most of the things you bring up are non-issues. They are funding a GAME. The figures have been slightly altered to accomodate a simpler one-piece casting. Comparison images are up of most models. Just look.
basement.dweller wrote: Too tired to comment at length now, but I think you should go take another look as most of the things you bring up are non-issues. They are funding a GAME. The figures have been slightly altered to accomodate a simpler one-piece casting. Comparison images are up of most models. Just look.
Uh, what? Seriously, you think that the pictures on the kickstarter are not of the existing models? Let's just use Attila/Ernakh as an example;
His images on the kickstarter page;
Spoiler:
Note the two shots at the bottom? From the Scale75 page;
Your point about "one-piece casting" brought something else to my attention: in Update #3, it is explained that the models have been modified from the Scale75 models for casting, and a picture is presented.
Spoiler:
Notice that the model is indeed very similar to the Scale75 model, with one easily noticable difference: the hair on the new casting lies flat on the shoulder. The Scale75 model has hair that flies off to the side.
Spoiler:
Here is the thing: whether you like that or not, the fact is that almost every painted picture on the campaign home page is actually a picture of the Scale75 miniature, not the one actually on offer! From the first group shot,
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To the beauty shot for the kit (which, note, also means that the bases have been Photoshopped in),
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To the "biography" shots,
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It's important to point out that the FAQ only seems to confuse this issue;
Spoiler:
Are the Duel Fighters models the same as Scale75 models?
Models designs for Duel Fighters are the same offered in Scale75 but the number of pieces and material is going to be changed to be produced in PU resin. The number of pieces is going to be reduced because they are going to be assembled inside the box.
There are two exceptions. We have designed two new female characters exclusive for Kickstarter and you only can get them from this campaign.
From a legal perspective, this is all rather troubling: if one digs into the campaign, one discovers that the miniatures actually being offered are not identical to the Scale75 miniatures (only close enough that apparently no costs are incurred in their design/tooling, from what the campaign creator claims*). Yet almost without exception, all photos are of the Scale75 miniatures, not the ones that will actually ship.
It's important to realize this is different from putting something up and calling it "concept art"; these are professional photos of already existing products being presented without any clear indication that they are not images of the actual product.
*"@Buzzsaw...Balgin gave the answer. The male character we are using, are Scale75 figures and the investment for them are paid ,but for females is not paid. We must invest an initial quantity (sculptor, molds, paint and design) taht only is going to be recovered during the campaign (they are exclusive). We can use Scale75 females Balgin said before but we wanted to satisfy bakes requests...they are asking for paladine and elf or similar. Scale75 have not those females...they must be new characters."
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basement.dweller wrote: Too tired to comment at length now, but I think you should go take another look as most of the things you bring up are non-issues. They are funding a GAME. The figures have been slightly altered to accomodate a simpler one-piece casting. Comparison images are up of most models. Just look.
Uh, what? Seriously, you think that the pictures on the kickstarter are not of the existing models? Let's just use Attila/Ernakh as an example;
His images on the kickstarter page;
Spoiler:
I didn't say any such thing. I admit I have not been paying close attention to this kickstarter after I did my initial research and saw the comparison shots with the changes and I determined I was happy with them. As for the Attila thing, I am not worried about a name change. I expect all models to be from the Scale75 range, except for the ones that are not in existence. I kinda expect them to then be part of the Scale75 range as well for reasons further down in this response.
Buzzsaw wrote:
Your point about "one-piece casting" brought something else to my attention: in Update #3, it is explained that the models have been modified from the Scale75 models for casting, and a picture is presented.
Spoiler:
Notice that the model is indeed very similar to the Scale75 model, with one easily noticable difference: the hair on the new casting lies flat on the shoulder. The Scale75 model has hair that flies off to the side.
Spoiler:
Yes I noticed this hence the comment.
Buzzsaw wrote:
Here is the thing: whether you like that or not, the fact is that almost every painted picture on the campaign home page is actually a picture of the Scale75 miniature, not the one actually on offer! From the first group shot,
Spoiler:
To the beauty shot for the kit (which, note, also means that the bases have been Photoshopped in),
Spoiler:
To the "biography" shots,
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I agree that is a bit naff, I just assumed they didn't have painted up examples of all the planned changes or no painted up versions anyway. I agree though that it should be clearer in the actual pictures.
Buzzsaw wrote:
It's important to point out that the FAQ only seems to confuse this issue;
Spoiler:
Are the Duel Fighters models the same as Scale75 models?
Models designs for Duel Fighters are the same offered in Scale75 but the number of pieces and material is going to be changed to be produced in PU resin. The number of pieces is going to be reduced because they are going to be assembled inside the box.
There are two exceptions. We have designed two new female characters exclusive for Kickstarter and you only can get them from this campaign.
From a legal perspective, this is all rather troubling: if one digs into the campaign, one discovers that the miniatures actually being offered are not identical to the Scale75 miniatures (only close enough that apparently no costs are incurred in their design/tooling, from what the campaign creator claims*). Yet almost without exception, all photos are of the Scale75 miniatures, not the ones that will actually ship.
It's important to realize this is different from putting something up and calling it "concept art"; these are professional photos of already existing products being presented without any clear indication that they are not images of the actual product.
I am expecting everything to be from Scale75 basically as they've said, although with slight changes. I've even gotten a mail from Scale75 letting me know about this campaign. I am not taking the piss here - If I understand correctly you are apprehensive about misrepresentation of the actual product, yes? On that point I have to agree with you, they could be clearer about the pictures being mockups rather than actual product pictures, but the updates/comments kind of satisfied me. My initial thought when I wrote my response (mind you I WAS tired) to your comment was that You were apprehensive of them planning to rip off Scale75 as well as the backers? That was basically what I was responding too, feeling that was a harsh conclusion.
Anyway this prompted me to look at their site www.duelfighters.com and check the contact info and compare to Scale75. Different adresses, but the same phonenumber. I understood it as being an offshoot of Scale75. I have not placed a call, but I don't really feel the need to?
Scalegames:
Calle Cadmio 12
28500 Arganda del Rey
Madrid, Spain
Mail: info@duelfighters.com Phone Number: +34 91 870 74 71
Scale75:
C/ Lago Como 26
28529 Rivas-Vaciamadrid
Madrid- SPAIN
T: + 34 918707471
The only thing I would like explained is this:
Scale Games KS bottom page wrote:
Scale Games is a new company located in UK. Our target is create, design and produce games.
Scale Games is supportered by the very well known figures company Scale75 (www.scale75.com ).
Obviously they are located in Spain, but that might just be a logistics thing as the staff listed are all Spanish and at least one person overlaps the Scale 75 company. The scalegames LLC might still be registered in the UK.
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As for this campaign, here is my impression now: Scale75 and Scale Games are either affiliated or functionally divisions of each other. One notes the name Roberto Sanchez appears on some Scale75 items as Painter, and a Roberto Sanchez appears as Director of Scale Games on the Campaign front page.
So I think we can safely assume that this is not vaporware or a scam: people are going to get these models. But! And this is the concern:
Be Aware, The Painted Models Will Not Match the Painted Models Shown On The Front Page!
The models that are shown in most images were professionally painted by a European miniature painter. The actual painted models will be painted in China. From the FAQ: "Models will be produced and painted in China by a supplier specialist in Toy Soldiers production so, the expected quality is like a Toy Soldier."
So there is a real caution if you think this is a good campaign to get pro-painted sculptures: "the expected quality is like a Toy Soldier", not the images shown on the front page. For people not interested in the painted options, this caution means very little. In other words, for those simply looking for a good buy on centerpiece 75mm models, this does, indeed, seem to be a very good buy (most models come in at 25GBP each, far less then they can be purchased at the current time from Scale75 (where they trend towards 40+ euros).
Personally, my continuing interest in this campaign revolves around the female models: I make a point of putting my money where my mouth is and supporting companies that bring more female models into the marketplace. After quite a bit of hectoring, Scale seems to be coming around to the idea of putting together a starter for around 50GBP that would contain two completely new female sculpts. The Irina sculpt that has the concept shown above, and the Lisbeth model not yet unlocked. So we shall see what comes of things.
I keep forgetting there is a goal to have these painted (as a choice). I've always just looked at this as a cheaper means of getting nice big figures to paint.
Buzzsaw wrote: The actual painted models will be painted in China. From the FAQ: "Models will be produced and painted in China by a supplier specialist in Toy Soldiers production so, the expected quality is like a Toy Soldier.".
So, in other words, they won't look like the example picture, either. Going by every single other pre-painted miniature release since the dawn of time the actual product miniatures are never as good as the prototype provided by the painting studio.
Everything seems quite clear on this except how to get the extra female characters as they are unlocked and if the will be similar quality since they will not be made by scale 75. Also I am a little confused as to how we add them to our order since there is no pledge including them. There pledge values would probably go up as people increased their pledges to include the unlocked and potentially 2nd female
Hi friends.
Today we have some changes in the campaign structure.
We remove the exclusivity for Irina and Lisbeth. We also remove 30k Lisbeth unlock and now is unlocked.
Unlocks reorganization:
1.- 22k Irina character unblocked.
2.- 26k Magic card deck. It was 28k before.
3.- 30k. We remove Lisbeth and replace it with New Scenery Parts.
4.- 80k unlock is removed too.
Meanwhile, we are studying new unlocks to add after 30k.
Stretch Goals reorganization:
1.- 35k. We leave it as before.
2.- 60k is moved now to 50k.
3.- 100k now is moved to 60k.
Pledges: We have created a new pledge called Purity and Decay where you can find Irina+Lisbeth+cards+carácter sheet+ Digital (pdf) rulebook for 50 pounds (Early bid limited to 50 units only ) or 55 pounds.
Thank you very much.
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Fishboy wrote: Everything seems quite clear on this except how to get the extra female characters as they are unlocked and if the will be similar quality since they will not be made by scale 75. Also I am a little confused as to how we add them to our order since there is no pledge including them. There pledge values would probably go up as people increased their pledges to include the unlocked and potentially 2nd female
So, as of right now there are two definite ways to get the female characters;
-add them individually to another pledge (at 30GBP each),
-Or go for the "Purity and Decay" pledge which is 50GBP for two (until EB's run out, then 55) and the rules.
As a general rule, when you pledge for a kickstarter and want to include something in addition to your pledge, you simple go to "Manage my pledge" and increase the amount of your pledge to include whatever you wish.
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I do what the voices in my wifes head say... 
I was just gonna say your wish came true - actually I jumped on this too as I like the concepts.