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Here is the situation: A Stormraven entered play on Turn 2 in Zoom mode. At the top of turn three, the embarked squad disembarks before the stormraven moves. The Stormraven then wants to move in Zoom mode again. Can it do so?

Here are the relevant quotes:

"A flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves each Movement phase." (pg 81)

"If the vehicle had not moved before the unit disembarked, the vehicle can then move normally." (pg 79)

What do you think?

PanzerLeader wrote:
Here is the situation: A Stormraven entered play on Turn 2 in Zoom mode. At the top of turn three, the embarked squad disembarks before the stormraven moves. The Stormraven then wants to move in Zoom mode again. Can it do so?

Here are the relevant quotes:

"A flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves each Movement phase." (pg 81)

"If the vehicle had not moved before the unit disembarked, the vehicle can then move normally." (pg 79)

What do you think?

No. In the scenario you mentioned the SR is in zoom mode until you choose its next mode of flight.

BRB FAQ:

Page 81 – Hover ‘Type’
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to “A Flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves, and before any embarked models disembark, each Movement phase.”

 Quanar wrote:
BRB FAQ:

Page 81 – Hover ‘Type’
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to “A Flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves, and before any embarked models disembark, each Movement phase.”

Hey thanks. Took both of us and 2 judges and we still missed the FAQ.

 hyv3mynd wrote:

 Quanar wrote:
BRB FAQ:

Page 81 – Hover ‘Type’
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to “A Flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves, and before any embarked models disembark, each Movement phase.”

Hey thanks. Took both of us and 2 judges and we still missed the FAQ.

Of course the FaQ was not needed as the Flyer is in zoom or hover mode until you choose zoom or hover again on your next turn.

But C'est la vie

Thanks Quanar! The use of Skies of Fury made our game more dramatic anyhow hyv3mynd.

PanzerLeader wrote:
Thanks Quanar! The use of Skies of Fury made our game more dramatic anyhow hyv3mynd.

Yes very cinematic! But I also use a 'raven in my GK collection and wanted to know where to find the rule as well.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Of course the FaQ was not needed as the Flyer is in zoom or hover mode until you choose zoom or hover again on your next turn.

But C'est la vie

I'll take a clarification that doesn't change anything over an argument any day of the week.

 Quanar wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Of course the FaQ was not needed as the Flyer is in zoom or hover mode until you choose zoom or hover again on your next turn.

But C'est la vie

I'll take a clarification that doesn't change anything over an argument any day of the week.

Except that FaQ does change something.

Pre FAQ you could go into hover mode on one turn. Then on the next turn disembark the passengers then Move the SR in Zooming mode.

This is no longer possible.

It was fine before, there really was no need for an FAQ changing the rules.

actually there was, this way they stop you from basically castling your unit in the storm raven while then on the following turn, getting out to assault one unit while your SR blasts across the board in full flight and nukes some armour or another squad, with the change its a more accurate representation of gradual lift back to flight mode on the not so nimble craft

 nutty_nutter wrote:
with the change its a more accurate representation of gradual lift back to flight mode on the not so nimble craft

You realize the SR is a VTOL craft right, that would make it quite nimble...

Suppose they didn't realize the implications of that section and didn't like the fallout. IDK Much about vehicle flyers.. Dosent that parachute dive bomb people down rule bypass this or do they still need to be hovering/still counted disembarking? I can imagine guys jumping out of a zooming helicopter, it amuses me.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
with the change its a more accurate representation of gradual lift back to flight mode on the not so nimble craft

You realize the SR is a VTOL craft right, that would make it quite nimble...

VTOL or not, the Storm Raven is about as aerodynamically designed as a bus. With a shed stuck on it.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but where does it say that a flyer has to be hovering to disembark?

Now I use Tyranids so it is swooping and gliding but is it the same?

Odd_Socks wrote:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but where does it say that a flyer has to be hovering to disembark?

Now I use Tyranids so it is swooping and gliding but is it the same?

Check the section on Flyers (Page number in the index) it tells you this information.

Sorry, missed that last line

No such line in the FMC rules, so they can disembark and carry on swooping

Well FMC's can not transport units so I am not sure what you are getting at.

The Harridan counts as an open-topped transport for Gargoyles.

Odd_Socks wrote:
The Harridan counts as an open-topped transport for Gargoyles.

What page is that on, I can't find it in the Tyranid codex.

It is in the Apocalypse book, as it is an Apocalypse unit ( page 162 )

Yeah. There were rumors of a new MC transport in the next codex as well... but with their own rules to balance not being a vehicle.

Odd_Socks wrote:
It is in the Apocalypse book, as it is an Apocalypse unit ( page 162 )

Ahh so it is apoc, you are going to have to add a lot of rules as Apoc does not cover every situation.

I would play it just like zooming flyers.