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**RiTides**

Yeah, like I said... good luck with all that

**ced1106**

Orlanth wrote:
Frankly I don't think Moon Designs will be able to order HeroQuest materials seized, they were not sold in the US, they were sold in Europe, quite legally it appears, and imported post sale. Your box of HeroQuest belong to you as soon as its allocated to you from the factory in Spain.

Scroll down to Jeff's comment in this thread: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1142380/gamezones-us-trademark-application-initially-refus/page/4

**Azazelx**

What a douchebag.

**Pacific**

There is a term used for people like that, used by Al Pacino once (and fairly shockingly) while he is having a go at Kevin Spacey in the movie Glen Garry Glen Ross. In this case it is entirely appropriate, and I hope the horrible, bitter little man receives many emails to that effect.

I assume they can just come up with some temporary boxes for US customers, which are re-branded 'Quest for Heroes' etc.? Sure it would be straightforward to find an un-used variance of the words.

**Red Corsair**

Pacific wrote:
There is a term used for people like that, used by Al Pacino once (and fairly shockingly) while he is having a go at Kevin Spacey in the movie Glen Garry Glen Ross. In this case it is entirely appropriate, and I hope the horrible, bitter little man receives many emails to that effect.

I assume they can just come up with some temporary boxes for US customers, which are re-branded 'Quest for Heroes' etc.? Sure it would be straightforward to find an un-used variance of the words.

Or just slap a sticker over Quest with labor or some such relevant word.

**Pacific**

Actually, reading that thread on Boardgamegeek has made my hopes for the arrival of this game nosedive.. :(

**Triple9**

Frankly, reading that thread makes me wonder why the same people invest the amount of time and energy making the same arguments over and over. It's like that thread needs an editor.

My prediction, either the game will be called simply HQ25 on all printed material or else shipments overseas will come from the individual with the most common Spanish name at GZ, rather than the corporate entity. Regardless, I really can't see US customs giving a flying feth about individual shipments from overseas for a bunch of cardboard and plastic. I could see it being different if a container was being shipped over though.

**Red Corsair**

Exactly what I was thinking. US Customs just scans cap for bombs or drugs mostly. They aren't going to open every package just in case its a "kids" board game. Especially for something so small scale as this. That thread was full of guys who were full of themselves.

**Orlanth**

Pacific wrote:
Actually, reading that thread on Boardgamegeek has made my hopes for the arrival of this game nosedive.. :(

Moon Design morons cannot stop us getting our copies in the UK though. Its an EU sale, free borders and all that. AFAIK I bought my copy 'in Spain' because I paid in Euros.

I can see how this will effect long term viability of the project but you should get your stuff as a backer.

**Chillreaper**

Good point! For once I'm proud to be a member of the Great and Wonderful European Union!

At least until I get my game, then I can go back to moaning about it.

**Pacific**

Orlanth wrote:
Pacific wrote:
Actually, reading that thread on Boardgamegeek has made my hopes for the arrival of this game nosedive.. :(

Moon Design morons cannot stop us getting our copies in the UK though. Its an EU sale, free borders and all that. AFAIK I bought my copy 'in Spain' because I paid in Euros.

I can see how this will effect long term viability of the project but you should get your stuff as a backer.

Thanks for that post, very reassuring!

As a reminder, what was the initial ETA for the game? Was it around Xmas this year?

**Orlanth**

The whole point of 'we will inform customs, your goods will be seized and destroyed and you may face fines', can all be translated into 'we want to scare off US customers of Gamezone'.

There may well be a legal threat, but this is bluster and scaremongering and has done little to credit Moon Design.

If Moon Design want to take action they should not target customers, or treat them like criminals, (buying from Gamezone of itself is legal) but hire lawyers and sue Gamezone.

It costs them less though to try and scare gamers.

**spiralingcadaver**

Orlanth wrote:
It costs them less though to try and scare gamers.

...who have already bought the product, which is what particularly gives off the bad vibes IMHO.

**DaveC**

7 weeks and no word there's bad communication and then there's no communication. I'm already considering this one to be a write off (saves disappointment later and it will be very difficult to get money back from Paypal now).

Latest twist Gamezone have applied for a European Trademark for Heroquest Classic (the retail release version of the game)
https://oami.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/012811659

A lot of this is coming across as take money first then worry about the rest later.

**Catyrpelius**

DaveC wrote:
7 weeks and no word there's bad communication and then there's no communication. I'm already considering this one to be a write off (saves disappointment later and it will be very difficult to get money back from Paypal now).

Latest twist Gamezone have applied for a European Trademark for Heroquest Classic (the retail release version of the game)
https://oami.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/012811659

A lot of this is coming across as take money first then worry about the rest later.

Will be interesting to see if their Trademark request is approved.

**Orlanth**

They can call it Super Hero Dungeon Descent Quest Journeys of Explore in the Dark for all I care, so long as I get the game and bonus miniatures.

**DaveC**

Some actual news apparently there's an update coming soon (Google Translated)

LATEST ON HEROQUEST 25TH ANNIVERSARY

Pending an official update from the team of GameZone Miniatures on your project HeroQuest 25th Anniversary , we bring you a collection of news that are circulating the net.

They are currently developing the scenery of the game, which seems to be a slower process making miniatures. The stands of these miniatures are also being made right now.
As the rules and enjoy scenarios in HeroQuest 25th Anniversary , the response of Dionisio Rubio was that: "there is still heavy, but you have already defined groups. The game will complete edition in Spanish, English, German, Italian, French and Portuguese. "
Regarding the initial problems they had with the platform Kickstarter , Dionisio says: "We had a problem in patent law between Spain and the U.S., as we saw that we do not move, we cut. We decided to leave. The project was clogged and we saw that we do not reach out for the 25th Anniversary. "
For June a physical presentation of the game is expected to respond to that: "Whatever is in the prototype will be presented." "We've quadrupled the template to produce only give the game time. We answer emails from our patrons. "
One of the few people who asked Dionisio Rubio via Twitter the day of the event, suggested that many fans would be willing to make a free work of more direct communication, emphasizing that have much to gain and nothing to lose, so Dionisio replied: "We appreciate, but do not see it suited for this kind of work. But thanks. "
Continuing with the theme of communication to the backers , was asked why not create a channel for more fluid communication with patrons, to which they replied: "We recognize that we have failed in communication, we are a company formed by creative ".
One of the last questions was: And after that what? and the answer was: "When you finish delivering all the games, take them out to the general public." Also worth noting the response to the possible appearance of the thumbnail The Tabernera, what self Dionisio Rubio said: "It could be, if we have enough time we would love to."

**Pacific**

Thanks very much for posting that DaveC

So in a nutshell they are very (too) busy designing the game, don't really have the time to communicate.

But, you have to ask - how difficult would it be just make an FB page or newsletter showing pictures of the miniatures as they happen, news about the rules etc? I don't think anyone is expecting constant reddit interviews and forum threads where they are having to answer "YOU STOLE IP" questions.

Fractured Dimensions (another KS that finished last year) are a pretty small company - think just a couple of guys doing the sculpting, yet they still manage to post updates every 1-2 weeks. Even if it's delayed way beyond what you are expecting, people have put hundreds of pounds onto this and I don't think it's unreasonable that they have some communication.

**DaveC**

The full interview is here:

http://mundomachango.blogspot.com.es/2011/06/articulo-errante.html

I won't translate it but some other bits from it (in my own words)

It's already running late and most likely won't make the christmas release target but apparently they think that's OK because it's normal in 90% of crowdfunding projects.

Retail release is very unlikely for the US market and UK might be an issue.

The resin they are using does suffer from time to time from air bubbles :O

they claim they turned down the chance the work with Mantic Games

The game will include a version of the old rules and dice but the new rules are totally different and use cylindrical Hexagonal dice.

It looks like they are planning to do Space Crusade as well (they've already got the trademark) however IP is much more of an issue

Well late already! the new rules I don't really care to much about I have the original intact and really just want updated minis and furniture and that. Slightly worried about the airbubbles issue though.

**RiTides**

Well so much for getting it out in 2014 being the main reason they had to rush ahead with it

not that it being late should really surprise anyone at this point, with the communication shown thus far. The idea that it's OK to be late because other campaigns are too is something I'm hoping will stop being accepted (at least as much) soon, though... I know I'm backing more projects that are reasonable in scope or have already shown they can deliver on-time if they are ambitious.

**spiralingcadaver**

It's okay for consumers to accept that. I don't think it's okay for a company to use that as an excuse, though.

**DaveC**

They've started sending out the following email to backers (I haven't got it yet saw this on facebook) looks like the Pm is on the way

GameZone está enviando este mensaje a los correos de los mecenas:

Hola.

Estoy enviando un mensaje rutinario de control, para verificar que todo está bien con vuestra cuenta de fundador, antes de pasar a la siguiente y última fase.
Si todo es correcto con vuestra cuenta no respandais a este email, en caso de que aún haya alguna incidencia responded a este email describiéndomela (info@gamezoneminiatures.com).
Gracias por vuestro apoyo y paciencia.Ya queda poco.

Isabel

Gamezone

Translated:

GameZone is sending this message to the emails of patron:

Hello.

I am sending a routine control message, to verify that all is well with your founder account, before moving on to the next and final phase.
If everything is correct with no respandais yourselves to this email, in case you still have any bearing Respond to this email describiéndomela (info@gamezoneminiatures.com).
Thanks for your support and paciencia.Ya is short.

Isabel

Gamezone

**Pacific**

My Spanglish isn't very good, I take it that means if everything is OK, you don't need to respond to the email?

**DaveC**

Yeah I assume if you've set up your account and there's no issues you don't respond the next phase will be them adding the credit to the account and allowing you to spend it on the HQ products.

**Azazelx**

Woot! 26th Anniversary edition!

**DaveC**

So apparently this upcoming update is now scheduled for June some time - so much for acknowleding their poor communication what do they do to resolve it - make people wait another 2 to 6 weeks.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Ah somebody looking to keep up with Raging Heroes.....

**Pacific**

At this point, very glad I have a copy of Descent, and that it looks like Mantic are stepping forward with their own dungeon crawling KS.

Makes me a bit less dependent on this one..

**Chillreaper**

If Mantic get DKH organised, I think that I'll throw some money their way, too.

It should do the job of a nice dungeon crawler in place of this, and I do like Mantic!

**nkelsch**

Chillreaper wrote:
If Mantic get DKH organised, I think that I'll throw some money their way, too.

It should do the job of a nice dungeon crawler in place of this, and I do like Mantic!

Well, except Mantic can't release a final product which is anywhere close to concept art, and when they do show us the sculpts, the casts of those sculpts and the material make the model unacceptably poor.

They haven't released a product of quality in sculpt or cast in almost 3 years of releases and are not getting 'better'. All of their stuff that looks 'nice' will end up being shallow-detailed, mold-lined, sprue-damaged restic unfit for gaming.