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LE codex, Crone, and Carnifex brood for me.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:

Davor wrote:


Yes Space Marines just move as fast as Eldar and Tyranids, and their flyers can actually get of the ground as well.

Space Marine flyers can claim repulsorfields or something.

The overweight tyranid flyer clearly stays aloft by farting in short rapid bursts.

Edit: Must get Toxic Miasma for free.

Thanks for the smile.


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 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Instead of complaining about the price of $120-$150 (not sure where you get the $120 from I use to be able to buy this battle box for $75 and I thought it was too much now.) how about what you do get? Like you get a Carnifex and Gargoyles for free.

getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Davor wrote:


Instead of complaining about the price of $120-$150 (not sure where you get the $120 from I use to be able to buy this battle box for $75 and I thought it was too much now.) how about what you do get? Like you get a Carnifex and Gargoyles for free.

The $120-150 is for the battleforces of other armies not this one which used to be $130 I think retail before.
I wasn't complaining about the price of the other battleforces or this one....btw you can't buy a battleforce for $75 at retail (unless you are buying from a discounter). I think the older battle forces (including the new Tau and Eldar) are a good price for people who want to get into the game i.e low price for a starter army.
The only thing I don't like about the price or $200 is it will prevent new players to the game (not the army) who just want to start will a small force for a small cost. It does have lots of models and good potential for getting to 1000 easily.
Bottom line I wasn't complaining haha

The Haruspex looks crazy, really mutated look. Btw, I agree with the warriors being way too expensive, pretty sure I got my old set of 3 for £15 if even, from a GW.
But yeah, the exocrine kind of looks a bit weird, his head seems way too small.

I love the harpy, but I agree that they have made his midsection way too fat. Could this be corrected with any modifications? Wondering if its possible to literally chop bits of the plastic out to make him more aerodynamic. The gargoyles worked fine, why didn't they keep it similar to their physiology.

The flyer could be a little thinner, but overall isn't bad. birds of all shapes and sizes can fly because of their hollow bones, so I will let GW slide on it. I have to admit I like the sculpts for the other models as well. The prices however are painful, but that seems to be the general thing for GW as of late

The Tyranid swarm looks like a great deal that give you plenty of troops, fast attack, and a heavy with a savings of $88.75 US. Which while may keep newer players of younger ages at arms length willn't do so much from new players with a more steady income

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
flyer looks too fat to get off the ground. .

It looks like a flying carnifex - it's supposed to look like a flying trygon.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

Davor wrote:


Instead of complaining about the price of $120-$150 (not sure where you get the $120 from I use to be able to buy this battle box for $75 and I thought it was too much now.) how about what you do get? Like you get a Carnifex and Gargoyles for free.

The $120-150 is for the battleforces of other armies not this one which used to be $130 I think retail before.
I wasn't complaining about the price of the other battleforces or this one....btw you can't buy a battleforce for $75 at retail (unless you are buying from a discounter). I think the older battle forces (including the new Tau and Eldar) are a good price for people who want to get into the game i.e low price for a starter army.
The only thing I don't like about the price or $200 is it will prevent new players to the game (not the army) who just want to start will a small force for a small cost. It does have lots of models and good potential for getting to 1000 easily.
Bottom line I wasn't complaining haha

Sorry I meant if we are going to complain about GW prices, complain about how we use to buy these battle force box sets for $75 from GW. How can a price double in price in 5 or so years but nothing added to it? Molds were made, everything done, but prices still went up.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
flyer looks too fat to get off the ground. .

It looks like a flying carnifex - it's supposed to look like a flying trygon.

The thing that gets me is how mono-pose and rigid it is. Like they've just got a plane and replaced all metal bits with flesh/claws. To me, Tyranid flyers should not be like that at all. They're not inanimate objects, they can flap their wings, twist their head. I was hoping for more of the Flyrant-style beasties.

pax_imperialis wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

they've done the same with marines, with only the strikeforce listed on the gw site now. I don't like it, $400nz is way too much to shill out for a starter set that's guaranteed to have one awful unit. Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

$190 NZD for a limited edition codex? $105 for three Hive Guard? A $2700 "Tyranid Predation" kit???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GW has balls I'll give them that

NZ minimum wage is $10/hour after tax for anyone living overseas. What a joke

 Wyzilla wrote:
I don't collect Tyranids, but I still gagged at seeing the new prices. Just, wat. IIRC, Tyranid Warriors didn't used to cost as much as a squad of Terminators.

The Old Tyranid Warriors were $45. Bonesword/Lashwhip combo was another 20 on top of that. And dual Boneswords were another 20 on top of that. Honestly, I am rather glad that they rolled all 3 in 1, and just barely bumped it by $6. Do the math of $51 vs $85, and I will take the $51 every time.

Prices over here are pretty expensive but I guess some credit for doing some value for money with the carnifex brood and swarm bod.

If I can pick up then at flgs ar even more discount then I think it's a very good way for me to start my second army

I'm not excited about the codex.
The models are pretty, pretty freaking awesome, and will look good on my shelf... but I'm done with the rules, random psychic powers, and 10 pages of USR did it for me..
I share the excitement about the plastic with most of you though.
They look great

Makumba wrote:
getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Why do you think you'll never use a Carnifex that is ~40 points cheaper than current? Especially with Old One Eye as an HQ now?
And saying you'll never use Gargoyles is silly - they're really good.

As far as the crunch is concerned, I'm pretty turned off by the lack of changes to any of their troops choices. Yeah some price reductions, big whoop. The problem with 'Nid troops never had anything to do with price, lowering them by a point or two is a disappointing bandaid.

The only feasible way to fix units like Hormagaunts and Warriors (meaning not wishlisting like run+assault moves, things that would never actually be introduced into the game) is to change them to beasts or give them wounds from the back mechanics for 'gaunts and eternal warrior or the ability to be attached to squads of 'gaunts for Warriors. That what we're getting is a minor points reduction and the "Banshee" treatment for Hormas is pretty whack.

Based off of what we've seen so far, 'Nids look like their competitive build is going to be very similar to what we have now, with the new flyer possibly having some utility. No one is going to bother with Exocrines in a competitive build if the rumors of them rocking a 24'' gun are true.

But we'll see. My prediction for the codex, based off of the rumors as they are now, is that the codex won't be meta-shattering and won't mix up the Tyranid gameplan very much. Very similar to Dark Angels in that regard.

rigeld2 wrote:

Makumba wrote:
getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Why do you think you'll never use a Carnifex that is ~40 points cheaper than current? Especially with Old One Eye as an HQ now?
And saying you'll never use Gargoyles is silly - they're really good.

Because when someone starts he needs a flyrant , tervigons and not a slow melee MC that doesn't fly or a weak shoty MC that doesn't fly. At how many points does one start to add Gargoyles ? when all troops are full, all hvy and elite are full and all those bring nids way over 1500pts .
Then there are the genestealers , costed as if they were wearing power armor , but actualy they run around wraped up in paper bags.
And as far as one eye goes. No one is going to take an HQ that gets auto killed by Jaws on a +3.


And about the 40pts cheaper . have you seen how much an upgraded one costs , how much the weapons costs , because a dakka fex does not cost cheaper .

We have absolutely no idea what we will "need" in the new book.

The new book could change everything or it could change very little.

Typically newer models are better, but this is not always the case (with the crons the newer models were better, with the DA for example, they were not).

Tragically, while is appears that some of the units may still have serious issues (saying genstealers are wrapped in paperbags, is tragically fairly accurate) there may be universal rules or other things that may alter things in ways we don't know.

I will be picking up a codex, a exocrine kit, and a harpy kit.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The only feasible way to fix units like Hormagaunts and Warriors (meaning not wishlisting like run+assault moves, things that would never actually be introduced into the game)

Since when was something that was in the game until 6th rolled about (old Fleet) that another codex has a better version of (Eldar Battle Focus) infeasible to be actually introduced into the game?

 Dakkamite wrote:

pax_imperialis wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

they've done the same with marines, with only the strikeforce listed on the gw site now. I don't like it, $400nz is way too much to shill out for a starter set that's guaranteed to have one awful unit. Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

$190 NZD for a limited edition codex? $105 for three Hive Guard? A $2700 "Tyranid Predation" kit???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GW has balls I'll give them that

NZ minimum wage is $10/hour after tax for anyone living overseas. What a joke

And how many people smoke? How many people drink? How many people go out and eat? Bingo? Lottery tickets? Casinos? Movies? Money all gone and never can be used again. At least with GW, no matter how expensive it is, can be used over and over again.

Not being a GW fan boy, really hate what they do sometimes, just sick and tired of people complaining about how much something is, and in some cases do things that are just as stupid, like going to the bar spend $200 and piss it all away, then complain about how expensive GW is.

Makumba wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

it has stealers , gargoyles and a carnifex . Waste of money . better buy guants and some tervigons and keep money for which ever of the new Mc is realy good.

Perhaps the wing muscles vibrate instead of expand/contract? Think bumble bee.

the carapace it has weights too much . it would rip the wings out of their sockets , with a single flap .

I'm going to have to disagree with you, about it being a waste of money. For one, there are no genestealers in it. Two, Gargoyles are one of the best units we have, I wish there were more of them in the box. The Carnifex, has had a massive price drop, to around 110-120. that alone makes it worth considering. With a plethora of biomoprhs available, it's quite possible the Carnifex will be a competitive choice again. It's 40 point price drop defiantly puts it in the realm of usability at least.

Makumba wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Makumba wrote:
getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Why do you think you'll never use a Carnifex that is ~40 points cheaper than current? Especially with Old One Eye as an HQ now?
And saying you'll never use Gargoyles is silly - they're really good.

Because when someone starts he needs a flyrant , tervigons and not a slow melee MC that doesn't fly or a weak shoty MC that doesn't fly. At how many points does one start to add Gargoyles ? when all troops are full, all hvy and elite are full and all those bring nids way over 1500pts .
Then there are the genestealers , costed as if they were wearing power armor , but actualy they run around wraped up in paper bags.
And as far as one eye goes. No one is going to take an HQ that gets auto killed by Jaws on a +3.

You act like you've read the codex already.
The White Dwarf battle has 2 dakkafexea and a sniperfex in a brood for barely any more than 3 naked fexes now.
You don't know how slow they are - it's possible they're faster now.
Gargoyles are useful at low points values - spamming 3 Tervigons in your troop slot isn't a good idea.
There are no Genestealers in the Swarm box.
You have literally no idea how susceptible OOE will be to psychic attacks.

And about the 40pts cheaper . have you seen how much an upgraded one costs , how much the weapons costs , because a dakka fex does not cost cheaper .

The White Dwarf release proves you wrong.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The only feasible way to fix units like Hormagaunts and Warriors (meaning not wishlisting like run+assault moves, things that would never actually be introduced into the game)

Since when was something that was in the game until 6th rolled about (old Fleet) that another codex has a better version of (Eldar Battle Focus) infeasible to be actually introduced into the game?

Since 6th.

Duh.

From what I can tell Nid look to be the same but different.
Most things are around the expected points costs seeing a drop or no change.

I don't see any units like genestealers being able to take assault genades like they should, I dont see any armywide buffs mentioned in the stat pages shown.

We lost mycetic spores but we gained a new flyer.

It looks like the trygon tunnel will remain the same, i dont see any change to be able to use it on the same turn happening.

I'm hoping for better reserve manipulation/control.

It looks to me like the new units will be the key pieces to make your army have a competive edge, this along with swarms and flyers.

I expect Tyranids to only have 1-2 viable just about competitive lists unless something awesome is in the biomorphs section..

I'm hopeful of better but then again I know GW from past experiences. I just don't see Nids being competitive in this edition which is a shame because I love the bugs.
I'm really hoping I have to come back and eat these words.

 L0rdF1end wrote:


I expect Tyranids to only have 1-2 viable just about competitive lists unless something awesome is in the biomorphs section..

I'm hopeful of better but then again I know GW from past experiences. I just don't see Nids being competitive in this edition which is a shame because I love the bugs.
I'm really hoping I have to come back and eat these words.

Now this is what bugs me. (no pun intended). Who cares about being competitive. Do you really need to win with plastic toy soldiers?

I loose every game I play. I take it more, that I suck playing the game instead of the army. Why not just play for fun?

Davor wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

pax_imperialis wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

they've done the same with marines, with only the strikeforce listed on the gw site now. I don't like it, $400nz is way too much to shill out for a starter set that's guaranteed to have one awful unit. Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

$190 NZD for a limited edition codex? $105 for three Hive Guard? A $2700 "Tyranid Predation" kit???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GW has balls I'll give them that

NZ minimum wage is $10/hour after tax for anyone living overseas. What a joke

And how many people smoke? How many people drink? How many people go out and eat? Bingo? Lottery tickets? Casinos? Movies? Money all gone and never can be used again. At least with GW, no matter how expensive it is, can be used over and over again.

Not being a GW fan boy, really hate what they do sometimes, just sick and tired of people complaining about how much something is, and in some cases do things that are just as stupid, like going to the bar spend $200 and piss it all away, then complain about how expensive GW is.

So, because other "hobbies" are expensive as well, GW's constant price gauging suddenly becomes justified? Seriously, one has to whiteknight pretty hard to find three terminator sized, adequate but not overy impressive lookingminiatures at 40€ in any way or shape justified.

Davor wrote:
Now this is what bugs me. (no pun intended). Who cares about being competitive. Do you really need to win with plastic toy soldiers?

I loose every game I play. I take it more, that I suck playing the game instead of the army. Why not just play for fun?

Regular human beings don't enjoy losing every game they play.

If 40K wasn't about winning then there would be no "victory points". It's a game where you're supposed to try your best to win. You can have a good attitude about losing, but that doesn't change the point of the game.

KingDeath wrote:


So, because other "hobbies" are expensive as well, GW's constant price gauging suddenly becomes justified? Seriously, one has to whiteknight pretty hard to find three terminator sized, adequate but not overy impressive lookingminiatures at 40€ in any way or shape justified.

No you are correct. Just tired of seeing the dead horse being beaten all the time that is all.

Well seeing how gw priced this nids stuff Im going to have my doubts about IG. When I heard there were rumors of 5 man stormie/vet squads with lots of options I was excited. Then I remembered spacemarine sternguards new kit. Now I saw the Warriors nids got and I just have doubts now of any of the IG stuff to come. Its ridiculous how the prices of this game have just sky rocketed.

Sorry didnt want to steal the thunder of this thread lol.

When I saw the flyer, all I could think of was "man, it's a good thing he's holding onto his testicles, otherwise they'd hit EVERYTHING he flew over!". Then I saw the Exocrine, with his giant vagina cannon and almost fell out of my chair.

On a serious note - whatever the rules for them are, I want some of these models strictly to paint. They look great, IMO.

pax_imperialis wrote:
Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

It's the cost of all the extra clicking they do for you.