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After the Chapterhouse case I would be extremely surprised if there are ever official rules for models that don't exist again.

Best hope for Cults is that FW pick them up in a future IA book.

Just saw this posted on The Tyranid Hive, didnt see it here...so I figured I would copy / paste

Its available now, and It is pretty good if you like lictors and stealers.

Manufactorum Genestealers
The formations allow your genestealers to set up in ruins or unoccupied building within 6" of your enemy, and have hit and run
5 Stealer broods, but may not include additional stealers

Lictor Forest Brood
Lictor Forest brood formation inside forests can infiltrate up to 6" from the enemy, and have the shrouded rule in forest.
This is 5 broods of a single model.

Deathleaper's Assassin Brood
The Deathleaper brood makes anyone within 12" of a model from the brood have -1 LD - this could be pretty massive combined with a few other rules (shadows, Its after me, the horror, Psychic Shriek ect..)
Deathleaper + 5 lictor broods of 1 model

Broodlord's Hunting Pack
Another Broodlord hunting pack formation when it comes from reserves can deploy into any unoccupied building. It can also be deployed in any ruin terrain during setup as long as its 6" away from the enemy.
They also have hunting pack, which when deployed, your formation has preferred enemy against any nominated enemy unit.
3 Stealer broods and 1 must have a brood lord. only a single broodlord allowed.

Gargoyle Bio-Bombs
The gargoyle bomb is 3 units of gargoyles and 3 units of spore mines, and allows the spore mines when ever they start a move action (move, run , charge) within 6" of a gargoyle to move at 6", or no longer half the distance when running or charging.

Overall, there are some decent options to close the gaps and have some threats for your opponent on turn 1. Having all single units of lictors can help to keep them alive, or at least take a lot of firepower to remove them all. Nothing stupidly powerful, although I like the idea of hit and run stealers!

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/45107/info-new-dataslate?page=7#ixzz2rMA5HKqv

But can you assault?

Otherwise you're nothing but free kill points. Killing such small squads at close range is appallingly easy for most armies

The Dataslate sadly does not present any way around the standard prevention of assault from deepstrike or infiltrate. It does however provide a nice way of taking 3 crone, 3 gargoyle broods and 3 spore mine squads within a single force organisation chart if thats what you're into. Or an obscene amount of stealers/lictors.

So much dependance on specific terrain. What a bummer.

Nothing of note. Disappointing but not unexpected.

Enceladus wrote:
Nothing of note. Disappointing but not unexpected.

My reaction exactly. Utter trash. That Gargoyle/Spore Mine formation looks like it had about 2 minutes of thought put into it. **** you again GW.

I thought this dataslate would make taking Genestealers and Lictors viable.

I was wrong.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I thought this dataslate would make taking Genestealers and Lictors viable.

I was wrong.

Yeah I never held out much hope. I just hope one of them has the spore and/or doom. The next one looks like it's to do with warriors, so no doubt they'll get our hopes up, make us think warriors are going to suddenly become good, then dissappoint.

I wasn't holding out much hope to be honest, they seem to have not put much effort into the codex or its supplements.

The only way to actually make Lictors and Genestealers competitive would be to allow them to assault 1st turn or the same turn as they deepstrike.

So I wonder why anyone is surprised. Did anyone really think that GW would allow something to assault turn 1 or the same turn as DS? Really?

Actually, Deathleaper's Assassin thingy is viable I think. Take a list with 3 Mawlocs, two flyrants a tervigon, some gaunts and whatever else (at say 1500-1850pts), and then you can use the -1Ld from the formation, plus perhaps Shadow, and then at least a few of your psykers will be able to cast the Horror or Psychic Shriek with a very good chance of success (OP noticed this), AND you'll have lictors floating around the board to guide your Mawlocs. Get a cheap unit of stealers in there with a Broodlord (since he always knows the Horror) and I think this could work.

 Rotary wrote:
I wasn't holding out much hope to be honest, they seem to have not put much effort into the codex or its supplements.

I'm not sure about that. Farsight rules were excellent, Iyanden is very underrated with what it does IMO, and the Iron Arms one makes some very powerful builds. Imperial Fists one was average.

Its really only the Black Legion one that really sucked (but then its for CSM so we should have expected that).

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Rotary wrote:
I wasn't holding out much hope to be honest, they seem to have not put much effort into the codex or its supplements.

I'm not sure about that. Farsight rules were excellent, Iyanden is very underrated with what it does IMO, and the Iron Arms one makes some very powerful builds. Imperial Fists one was average.

Its really only the Black Legion one that really sucked (but then its for CSM so we should have expected that).

I think he was referring to Nids alone.

My mistake. In which case I heartily agree.

Not what I was looking for and not exactly effective for plugging the holes of the sub-par codex.

As a nid player, this is a swing and a miss. So far GW has done nothing to earn my consumer dollars, and I haven't spent a dime. Maybe they can get it right on the next dataslate.

Are you guys reading the same thing I'm reading?

Unsuspected: Models from this Formation that are deployed within a Building or Ruins using the Infiltrate special rule can be set up within 6" of an enemy model.

You can literally deploy 25 (Or 50, if you take 2) Genestealers directly ontop of your opponent.... Plus you get free HNR.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
Are you guys reading the same thing I'm reading?

Unsuspected: Models from this Formation that are deployed within a Building or Ruins using the Infiltrate special rule can be set up within 6" of an enemy model.

You can literally deploy 25 (Or 50, if you take 2) Genestealers directly ontop of your opponent.... Plus you get free HNR.

I think just 5, or 10 if you take two units, yes?

It's 5 broods of 5 per formation.

There's no limit on formations.

that also counts on your enemy having enough buildings or ruins within 6" of their units to fit 25 models to be that effective. as soon as your opponent learns to avoid terrain, the formation loses its benefit

 TyCorny wrote:
that also counts on your enemy having enough buildings or ruins within 6" of their units to fit 25 models to be that effective. as soon as your opponent learns to avoid terrain, the formation loses its benefit

You can easily fit 25 stealers into most area terrain.

Having run 30 Ymgarls for a significant period of time, I know this from experience.

This has a massive effect on deployment, and you don't just lose these Genestealers. You still have 25 hit and run genestealers.

Discussion thread started in General 40K as this is no longer a rumour.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

 TyCorny wrote:
that also counts on your enemy having enough buildings or ruins within 6" of their units to fit 25 models to be that effective. as soon as your opponent learns to avoid terrain, the formation loses its benefit

You can easily fit 25 stealers into most area terrain.

Having run 30 Ymgarls for a significant period of time, I know this from experience.

This has a massive effect on deployment, and you don't just lose these Genestealers. You still have 25 hit and run genestealers.

Did you fit them By playing pyramids with them?

I blame the squats for ruining the nids dex. The Dwarf army book needed a proper rewrite, thus GW did not put as much time into nids, which did not need as many changes.

At least we cannot accuse GW of being money grubbing by taking essential parts of the codex and putting it in the dataslate.

The truth of the matter is that they stopped putting authors on the dexs because they are written by a crack team of typing monkeys.

 spaceelf wrote:


The truth of the matter is that they stopped putting authors on the dexs because they are written by a team of typing monkey cracks.

Fix'd that fer ya.

The first dataslate makes it even easier for the enemy to pie plate and flamer your models to death.

I wonder if for the sequel and trilogy they just make it even easier for your models to be wiped off the table....

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Apparently there is a ad for the second part at the end of the ebook edition. i got the interactive which has nothing at the end . can anyone post or describe. I'm hoping for some big bug love.

It's a triology, each representing a phase in the invasion. As Monstrous Creatures are usually in the last phase, expect the next one to be about stuff like Warriors, Shrikes, Gaunts, Zoanthropes, etc.

The preview at the end of the first part shows the cover image, which is a Warrior.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
It's 5 broods of 5 per formation.

There's no limit on formations.

No limits from GW, at least... but most events won't be allowing unlimited formations (or maybe even any at all) from what I've seen so far.

Thanks. Thats what i figured but ill be plenty happy for warriors to get a little help as well. They need it.