What will GW cut next, round II:

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**winterdyne**

I am fairly certain warhammer world is going to become a paid-entry venue, going on the recruitment pages from GW.

So, not cut, but no longer free to enter. How this will affect the warhammer world store (my usual) is unknown. If I have to pay to get to the only GW store I don't have to pay large car park fees or bus travel to get to, I won't be going there at all.

**Overread**

I suspect they'll do WW what they are going to local stores - not charging to enter, but giving booking tickets per purchase made at a GW store. So that if you want to book to play you've got to present a ticket (ergo purchase from GW direct).

Though the ticket thing seems odd because it really only comes into play when there are more bookers than tables - rest of the time it seems to be fairly plain come and play.

(honestly I don't get it - its not really giving us anything we didn't have already - they really should have done a £1=£0.01 rewards card instead

)

**winterdyne**

Nah, almost certainly charging to enter- the studio job description literally states that visitors will be paying to see displays. Perhaps a layout change is going to happen...

**Overread**

I'll be honest - I went to see the studio one time - its good but not really good enough to pay to enter. Especially when every single local GW store has good quality models on display for free.

And I don't think its worth paying just to see the centre display (don't get me wrong its fantastic and must have taken hours to design, build and paint). They'd have to seriously expand what's on offer - or make the cost tiny.

**winterdyne**

Can't see it happening myself.

**deepstriker**

Hopefully not an army faction in 40k or WHFB. The opinion my friends have is that GW is a company of gamers and no business people.

They should focus on their IP. Their IP and fluff are strong, so much so that players who became disenchanted with the table top still followed BL and bought electronic games like DOW or SM. Speaking from my local community of course.

They should focus on diversifying their portfolio and getting other markets such as computer games. I think Games Day and rethinking strategy should be the next best options.

**winterdyne**

Games day / golden demon is all but dead now anyway. GDUK was terrible to the point of me actually dreading 'having' to go (as a painter, I sort of need to have stuff out there that people recognise).

**Grimtuff**

winterdyne wrote:
I am fairly certain warhammer world is going to become a paid-entry venue, going on the recruitment pages from GW.

So, not cut, but no longer free to enter. How this will affect the warhammer world store (my usual) is unknown. If I have to pay to get to the only GW store I don't have to pay large car park fees or bus travel to get to, I won't be going there at all.

Where is this on the site? I'm curious now.

**winterdyne**

http://careers.games-workshop.com/category/vacancies-by-role/visitor-centre/

Those two jobs both make it pretty clear where WHW is heading I think.

**CthuluIsSpy**

winterdyne wrote:
http://careers.games-workshop.com/category/vacancies-by-role/visitor-centre/

Those two jobs both make it pretty clear where WHW is heading I think.

For convenience

Warhammer World Studio Manager: Lenton, UK
Thursday 16 January, 2014
About the Job

Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?

We’re looking for someone to design, plan and create amazing displays of Games Workshop miniatures to the highest standard. You will be able to produce these displays using a variety of modeling and painting disciplines, focusing on every detail.

You will manage a team of talented staff who will work to achieve our ambitious goals. You will lead by example, knowing how to find the best way to get each job done, and enjoy challenging yourself and your team to produce the best possible work.

You will be responsible for building displays making full use of the range of Games Workshop miniatures and scenery, creating anything from small vignettes to huge battle scenes for the exhibition in Warhammer World. You will produce proposals for all projects and then deliver them to an agreed plan.

You will ensure you have the right team of people, setting goals and following up on their work to make sure they deliver to the agreed standards. You and your team will also deliver other projects such as creating scenery for the event hall, and organising and running hobby demonstrations and workshops.

About Games Workshop

Games Workshop is a business with a strong internal culture which means we have a very definite set of ideas, beliefs and ways of doing business. We believe that how you behave does matter, therefore we believe that attitudes – such as honesty and integrity – are even more important than skills. We will happily teach you the skills needed for many roles if you bring a great attitude to your work.

Every staff member is dedicated to constantly making things better for our customers, whether this is by providing ever better products or delivering ever greater service. We are hard working, committed, cheerful and above all we put the needs of the business first in our decision-making.

We have a strong culture of personal development at Games Workshop and there are many resources and opportunities for both personal and professional development. If the way you behave at work and the attitudes you display fit with ours, it is highly likely you will be successful, well rewarded and happy. However, it is only fair to say that people who don’t fit with our culture, or who play at fitting, will be unhappy and consequently unsuccessful.

You can read more about Games Workshop’s business culture here.

Other Essential Information

Closing date: Applications must be received by midnight, UK time on Sunday 9th February 2014.

Our reference number: Our internal reference number for this vacancy is 1504.

How to Apply

The most important thing we require is a letter telling us why you want this job. It may also help to include an up-to-date CV.

When you have gathered this information, you can click here to apply using our online application system. Current UK staff members should use their iTrent username and password when prompted to log in.

- See more at: http://careers.games-workshop.com/2014/01/16/warhammer-world-studio-manager-lenton-uk/#sthash.d4dxJiCC.dpuf

**Grimtuff**

winterdyne wrote:
http://careers.games-workshop.com/category/vacancies-by-role/visitor-centre/

Those two jobs both make it pretty clear where WHW is heading I think.

Cheers!

Oh dear is all I can say.

Took 'em long enough. I don't have a very high opinion of GW, but Warhammer World was always a good place to go, and it helped that it was somewhat local.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Might not mean "pay to enter," hopefully.

Perhaps "pay" is in reference to the plane trip, or just in reference to going to any other part of the building but the store / gaming area? Admittedly, I never been to Warhammer World, so I could just be talking nonsense.

**Grimtuff**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Might not mean "pay to enter," hopefully.

Perhaps "pay" is in reference to the plane trip, or just in reference to going to any other part of the building but the store / gaming area? Admittedly, I never been to Warhammer World, so I could just be talking nonsense.

The only other parts are Bugman's and the miniatures hall. I see them charging for the latter, even though it's just a relatively small room filled with 'Eavy metal painted minis. The previous museum with the old Games Day mega displays (another thing that has fallen by the wayside) and the life size dioramas was worth the ticket price. This one, less so.

**frozenwastes**

"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

**Grimtuff**

frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

This is the miniatures hall.

It's not that big. It's probably about the size of a large GW store. If this is what's being alluded to WRT payment they'll only get a healthy mix of the rich and the ignorant enter that part. If it's the whole building.... Oh dear.

**The Shadow**

Peregrine wrote:
Remember this poll a while back, in the aftermath of the specialist games going away? Well, now we have our answer: the 58 people who voted for White Dwarf are the winners!

What? White Dwarf hasn't been dropped, it's been changed. That's like saying Tyranids just got dropped this month.

The new WD and Warhammer Visions (need an abbrev. for this) was a smart move on GW's part. A cash-grab, yes, but a smart move. There is still a monthly magazine, which people will still buy, and will bring GW in arguably more money, thanks to its increased price tag. And those people who think it's too expensive? They'll be buying the weekly WD, at least once a month, if not every day. The brilliant thing, from a sales point of view, of cheaper items, such as WD Weekly, is that people, when it comes to buy them think "oh, it's only £2.50". £2.50 is spare change. Most people aren't too bothered about parting with coins, but many are bothered about parting with notes, as you had to do for the old WD. A lot of people will fritter away their spare change as they pop into a GW store every week. This means there'll be many people paying £5-10 a month anyway, in addition to those paying an extra £7.50 for WV.

Yes, we can complain here, on our forum, tucked away in a small, dark corner of the GW hobby, that WD and WV are the worst magazines ever. Maybe they are. But. People. Will. Still. Buy. Them.

**winterdyne**

Heh, I see my Titan diorama in that photo.

**da001**

Too many options... I voted "WHFB army", but they are able and willing to destroy so much of the hobby!

What will be next? The suspense in killing me!

**boyd**

Jehan-reznor wrote:
I hope the board gets smart and they finally sack Kirby, but i think it is to late.

It's tough to do that when he owns as much of the company as he does. He will be on the board or in management in some capacity.

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I voted they sack a 40k army - I think sisters is nothing more than a pipe dream. We all think something is coming down the pipeline but it never materializes.

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frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

I did this back in 1998. The tour comes complete with how they design their models, how they make their models (this was when they only had two machines that stamped out space marines and dark Eldar for the new third edition box that had just dropped), and seeing the displays that had been in the WD. If I recall correctly the tour cost £2 per person and you got a free space marine or dark Eldar. They have tours like these all over the world. Go to savanah, ga and you can pay $5 and look at Girl Scout odds and ends. Go to st. Augustine, fl and you can pay $10 to walk around Flagler museum and look at Tiffany stained glass on the ceiling or the random exhibits they have like the lion that was given to Winston Churchill (why it's in st. Augustine, I don't know but someone had it stuffed and bought it for the tourists to see).

Point is, these positions feel like a glorified admin assistant because the main duties will be lead tours, answer phones, and assist with sales.

**jonolikespie**

The Shadow wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
Remember this poll a while back, in the aftermath of the specialist games going away? Well, now we have our answer: the 58 people who voted for White Dwarf are the winners!

What? White Dwarf hasn't been dropped, it's been changed. That's like saying Tyranids just got dropped this month.

The new WD and Warhammer Visions (need an abbrev. for this) was a smart move on GW's part. A cash-grab, yes, but a smart move. There is still a monthly magazine, which people will still buy, and will bring GW in arguably more money, thanks to its increased price tag. And those people who think it's too expensive? They'll be buying the weekly WD, at least once a month, if not every day. The brilliant thing, from a sales point of view, of cheaper items, such as WD Weekly, is that people, when it comes to buy them think "oh, it's only £2.50". £2.50 is spare change. Most people aren't too bothered about parting with coins, but many are bothered about parting with notes, as you had to do for the old WD. A lot of people will fritter away their spare change as they pop into a GW store every week. This means there'll be many people paying £5-10 a month anyway, in addition to those paying an extra £7.50 for WV.

Yes, we can complain here, on our forum, tucked away in a small, dark corner of the GW hobby, that WD and WV are the worst magazines ever. Maybe they are. But. People. Will. Still. Buy. Them.

Everything you say there seems to be exactly what GW HQ is thinking with this, but it is wrong.

People don't buy WD, at least not in any significant numbers or else they wouldn't be rebooting it for the second time in under two years.

People who think it's too expensive aren't the issue, the problem is people not seeing any value to it because of lack of content. No one want's to collect a magazine that is entirely the same as it is now but with less hobby articles and more pictures of models, not will the be buying a dedicated advertisement for the weeks releases even if it does have some hobby related stuff (for that weeks release only) in it.

GW will not up sales with this, they think they can get people to pay for the same crap twice but if people aren't buying it now then I can't understand why they think they can sell more of less.

**Necro**

If they really want to save the company they need to get rid of Kirby. One bad decision after another has lead them to their current state.

Cutting front line staff at this stage is like cutting your throat.

It never ends well.

**master of ordinance**

Necro wrote:
If they really want to save the company they need to get rid of Kirby. One bad decision after another has lead them to their current state.

Cutting front line staff at this stage is like cutting your throat.

It never ends well.

QFT

**Necro**

Yep nothing in this world is static, its either growing or dying.

GW is not a growing company as I have said in the past. Now there share price is falling it is the time to spend to recover.
There are way better dividend companies to invest in than them.

Sadly I don't think they will :(

**Scipio Africanus**

n0t_u wrote:
"Games" day definitely, why even waste money on some event that could be used as advertising. I mean they won't even buy tickets to be advertised to so why bother.

I stopped buying white dwarf when I realised I was paying money to be advertised to.

**xruslanx**

frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night. I don't think being asked to pay to look at something like this is that unreasonable. Though if they charge too much then it will backfire and won't raise any money at all.

And I do know people from Australia who pretty much pissed themselves with excitement when the opportunity to come to Warhammer World came up. So yes, it is already a destination, admittedly for people who collect 40k which isn't perhaps as large as other demographics

They wouldn't charge to use the gaming hall though. Those tables would just be lying around if they weren't being played with, and it keeps the bar busy, which I assume *does* make a bit of money. It better do with what they charge anyway

Since White Dwarf hasn't been cut - unless you count a new weekly magazine as being "cut", in which case a supplement also counts as cutting the main codex - I think that'll go first, since no one important will put the effort into making White Dwarf half-good. After that The Hobbit and some of the Fantasy armies will go, Fantasy seems to be in freefall at the moment.

**Baragash**

xruslanx wrote:
frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

**xruslanx**

Baragash wrote:
xruslanx wrote:
frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

Yes it is. It is not universally true, but popular city centre bars very often charge for entry. Clubs almost invariably do, and it's still being charged £5 simply to get into the damn place.

**frozenwastes**

Baragash wrote:
xruslanx wrote:
frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

Looks like I have xruslanx on ignore. And yep, clubs the world over do have a cover charge. Though I highly doubt that's the case with pubs unless there's a live performance or something going on.

And people do go to strange museums for all sorts of stuff. I'm not convinced though, that this move towards not gaming as the feature of GW's destination stores or events like gamesday, will actually work for them the same way a dance club can charge cover or a museum can. I while back I went to a factory tour of a apple cider plant and the feature of the tour was the actual drinking of huge amounts of apple cider for very little money. Going to GW for a tour or to a gamesday and spending the time looking at display cases is like going to an apple cider plant and looking at the cider rather than drinking it.

**Baragash**

xruslanx wrote:
Baragash wrote:
xruslanx wrote:
frozenwastes wrote:
"Do you have what it takes to manage the Warhammer World Studio and lead a team to produce truly inspirational world class displays of Games Workshop miniatures that hobbyists the world over will travel and pay to see?"

LOL.

They want people to pay to look at displays. They really think they can turn it into a tourist destination that people will pay to take a tour of? That's like Gamesdays without any games going on. Oh.. wait...

.

In the UK you are often charged for simply walking into a pub, especially in city centres at night

That's not even remotely true.

Yes it is. It is not universally true, but popular city centre bars very often charge for entry. Clubs almost invariably do, and it's still being charged £5 simply to get into the damn place.

This is a good start, you've already revised it from "pubs" to "bars", which is still not true. Doubled-down by adding "popular" which is still not true. Then made a last ditch switch to "clubs" (you could have also gone with "strip clubs" and maybe "members clubs"), which ofc is pretty much universally true but by now your point is looking about as strong as GW's half-year performance.

**winterdyne**

Indeed. Back when the museum was a museum (of sorts) with a few of the golden demon displays it was worth a look and possibly a few quid to keep it running and maintained. The miniatures 'hall' (not that big) is not worth paying for (but is worth a look of you're there, not necessarily a journey to see), nor is the gaming hall.

The souvenirs on sale at bug and are firmly in the tourist gouge price bracket, rather than the factory outlet you might expect.

Lego sets at legoland have more of a markdown.