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I've never had an issue with the new marine design. I actually had already started magnetizing hands at the wrist for some sergeants and veterans so they could switch from holding a gun to a melee weapon, and had to go around chopping out pistol grips from all sorts of things to get it to work well. I'm also one of those people that has no issues with Rhinos. I literally have a score of them in various colors.

I actually find the new Broadside kit mildly annoying, a lot of oddly placed gates and zero posability for something you ostensibly take in squads most of the time. Also, the inability to use half their support system pieces if you build both the SMS and PR mounts. It's also a pain in the ass to magnetize, as are Centurions. Daemon princes are rife with options and yet so utterly monopose. In general, I hate monopose kits that don't magnetize easily. Especially if it's finecast with all those gates on top of detail.

The old Forge World Stormblade. I... hate that thing.

And the metal Khorne Herald on Jugger. Fething thing has one contact point with the ground. ONE!

 master of ordinance wrote:
The reseen Marauder for Battletech. Going together is a little tough..... But the big problem comes from painting it. I have to varnish every few layers or the paint rubs off at the edges.

The Marauder ain't as pad as the 2nd generation Blood Asp. That thing actually gained some impromptu flight lessons after I got sick of trying (and failing) to put it together.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The old Chimera and Leman Russ kits were annoying in that they had tons of road wheels (that served no purpose and could not be seen) that were required to assemble the kit.

After you put together 55 such kits (split almost evenly between the two), that stops being an issue. After doing so many you can almost do it with your eyes closed.

Trollblood Fennblades. Almost all of them hold their swords with both arms, meaning you have to bend the parts to glue them. It gets really annoying.

Hoarluk Doomshaper. Im POSITIVE his Backpack was specifically designed to piss me off.

Wargames Factory (Non Mounted) Samurai kit. Fiddly as hell the swords snap easily and the posts look unnatural.

Pretty much any restic kit.

Anything that combines restic or plastic with metal parts that you have to glue together.

That silly-looking Empire circus wagon-telescope kit. Why?
Just why?

I have yet to come across a GW kit that annoys me.

I will say basically any of the newer Battletech sculpts from Iron wind are gak. I have done about 20 for our gaming group and the newer the sculpt the more parts (needlessly) it comes in. like the archer 6w has 1 antenna cast on the torso and one separate you need to glue one? why? the arms tend to lack detail in the under arm area so you can only pose the models one way without it looking stupid.

The one that stands out is the Goliath 2H variant. Parts are torso, rocket pods x6, cannons x2 legs x4

Its out of scale, and a quad, so it doesn't fit on a standard 32mm hex base unless you pose it a certain way. Its in a "run pose" so only 2 legs actually contact the base, great, pin it. Each of the legs have a cone on the top that fits in a socket on the body. Because the cast is always poor, there is flash on the cone, great file it, and flash in the socket on the body, broke 2 blades trying to get enough out to fit the legs, better pin those too. The rocket pods all have a 1mm nipple that goes into a divet on the body, more pins. cannons? slipped mold, unfixable, scratch build new ones out of styrene.

Stegadon.

When I got back in to The Hobby a few years ago, I bought a Lizardman battalion and a Steagdon. Back in my day (when all this were fields and Mars Bars were as a big your head), superglue was fine for gluing plastic, so that's what I started putting it all together with.

BIG mistake.

The Stegdon Howdah STILL won't go together, even after being stripped, sanded and plastic glued. Incredibly frustrating.

The worse kit though, for me, is the Lizardmen Cold One. All the same pose, all facing the same way. None of the riders fit the mounts.

I'm on the verge of tears just thinking about it...

EDIT:

And what's the deal with that Daemon Prince with the long finger?!

I HATE that model.

 Breotan wrote:
FW's Storm Eagle kit. That thing is so incompetently done I actually wanted to throw mine against a wall. Never had that happen before.

Oh hell yes! Had to resort to covering it in zipstrips and dunking the entire thing in hot water to get it into shape.

Forgeworld. Making terrible resin kits for 40k fanbois since 1998.

 monders wrote:
Stegadon.

When I got back in to The Hobby a few years ago, I bought a Lizardman battalion and a Steagdon. Back in my day (when all this were fields and Mars Bars were as a big your head), superglue was fine for gluing plastic, so that's what I started putting it all together with.

I'm gonna assume you used GW glue.



I use superglue for everything. GW's piss poor excuse for superglue is the problem.

Gotta be the decimator daemon engine kit, those three part legs in resin that doesn't fit together quite right are a nightmare for posing it without it falling apart in your hands. Fortunately it's very pretty even if it's far too expensive points wise.

 Grimtuff wrote:


I'm gonna assume you used GW glue.



I use superglue for everything. GW's piss poor excuse for superglue is the problem.

You may be right, though it was a couple of years ago.

Their plastic glue was worse. I now use the blue bottle, needle tipped stuff form the model shop. FAR better.

The new Tau Broadsides.

Not that there is anything particularly wrong with the models per se; just that they pale in comparison to the Riptide kit released at the same time.
The broadside elbows and knees are at a fixed angle and the shoulders have very limited range of motion. Compare this to the Riptide, which has poseable knees ankles and elbows.

Krootox. Just.... no.
The plastic PP Dire Troll kit. Just because it looks SO derpy compared to the old metal model.
and Troll Fennblades - as someone said earlier, they come with two parts which are literally impossible to put together without bending the plastic first.

The Lychguard kit is such a pain in the arse. The joints for the wrists are so thin, any slight movement has a good change of snapping the Warscythes off. The entire Necron range in general suffers from that issue.

Also, the vanes on the Warp Talon Jump Packs. I decided to add them to my Raptors since they look pretty cool; within a few games they were removed since every time I get the squad out there's a few vanes lying at the bottom of the box.

Tressel wrote:
Hands down the worst kit I ever assembled was the "unseen" Marauder for Battletech. I have never met anyone in my life that was able to assemble one of those without throwing it across the room or gluing their hands together.

I did neither..... I glued my right thumb to the Mechs left arm.....
Although, getting it together wasnt as bad as i thought it was going to be. However, transportation is a pain because those arms like coming off. Oh, and painting it. I had to varnish every few layers to keep the paint on.
Its a great model when done, its just a pain to do.

Im not sure if it counts, but every kit i have put together with modern GW glue. I swear, some of them have fallen apart just from being looked at too much. I have started waiting for them to fall apart, and when they do i clean off the old glue and repair it with the new stuff i am now using.

Oh, and the Brood Howler from Darkage. That this looks simple to assemble, being in only three pieces and a base. Until you realise that all of the models vast weight rests on one thin ankle joint. After several breakages, even after pinning, i have added support in the form of a tree stump that one of the arms are holding.

The menoth kit for the harbringer and the Avatar. Both of those kits nearly made me want to throw them against a wall. Terrible terrible design...

Utilikilts. I hate seeing neckbeards sashaying around in them, and...

Oh, kits.

This goddamn thing:


Ral Partha's Thone of Bone. I've had one for nearly thirty years. I take it out of storage every couple years to actually build it once and for all, and fail miserably each time. Plus it's an old lead kit, so it's entire (considerable) weight is supported by skinny skelly legs, so I don't even know if it'll stay together.

 Breotan wrote:
Old metal Talos. The thing was a shoddy, all metal kit and the top and bottom halves of the main body didn't fit together properly.

Testify!

 Valkyrie wrote:
The Lychguard kit is such a pain in the arse. The joints for the wrists are so thin, any slight movement has a good change of snapping the Warscythes off. The entire Necron range in general suffers from that issue.

It took me forever to make those stupid wrist joints work, then storing them safely takes far too much case space.

Used with the staff stick ends instead of scythe, and on warriors to be crypteks, but the wrist issue issue with the kit is the same!



Everyone says Necron wariroers are tough too, but i didnt have mush problem. The attachment to the sprue of the head is stupid though..

Dystopian Legions Britannian Light Dragoons. Quirky, fun-looking models once built however nearly ended up as wall-embedded monuments to anger prior to that end state.

So far, the only kit I think I really hate are the old Tau Broadsides and Crisis Suits (new ones might be the same, but I haven't actually bought any of the new ones ). With both kits, it is a massive pain in the ass to get them to stand level without one leg being at a weird angle, because for some unfathomable reason, you have to assemble both legs separately, then attach them to the torso. Maybe I'm just being an idiot when it comes to modelling, but I just hated trying to do the legs. Not only that, but because these are Tau, they have flimsy little ankles, so it's incredibly easy for a model to break at the feet, which is tons of fun to glue back together.

As for the Broadsides, well, let me start by saying that there's a reason GW switched over to using units that were entirely made of plastic, rather than mixing the two. The railguns on the Broadside were just ridiculous, extending off a few inches and attaching to the model by a teeny tiny spot of plastic. If you so much as look at them wrong, they're gonna snap off.

The firewarrior kit has horrible mould lines - all over the backpack, thigh armour, and ripples in their arm cloth...... you will lose detail trying to clean them up :(

WayneTheGame wrote:

Golgo13 wrote:
I don't like unfinished Unit boxes.. Privateer press has a few of them left but are slowly discontinuing them and replacing them with full unit boxes. Because they care about their customers. If a unit is X members you should get everything you need to field them in one BOX period.. If a unit can field a weapon it should be in the box period. I think GW are experts at not giving you everything you need in one box; but that is part of there market strategi, it is Stupid and makes you lose customers...

This exactly. Nothing pisses me off more than looking at buying a squad and realizing that I also need to buy another box (or worse, more than one) to get the parts I need. It wasn't quite as bad when they had bitz because if I needed lets say a lascannon for a marine squad I could get the bitz via Mail Order, but without bitz now do they really expect me to buy a devastator box as well as a tactical squad box? Or worse, think of if you wanted a Devastator squad with 4x Lascannons; is their answer seriously to buy 2+ devastator boxes? Ridiculous.

Classic case of "GW can't win".

Half the people are complaining that the kits don't have all the options, the other half are complaining that they're being forced to pay for bitz they don't need.

Obvious solution: go PP style: no options, no bitz. Everybody's happy Oh, wait...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

Golgo13 wrote:
I don't like unfinished Unit boxes.. Privateer press has a few of them left but are slowly discontinuing them and replacing them with full unit boxes. Because they care about their customers. If a unit is X members you should get everything you need to field them in one BOX period.. If a unit can field a weapon it should be in the box period. I think GW are experts at not giving you everything you need in one box; but that is part of there market strategi, it is Stupid and makes you lose customers...

This exactly. Nothing pisses me off more than looking at buying a squad and realizing that I also need to buy another box (or worse, more than one) to get the parts I need. It wasn't quite as bad when they had bitz because if I needed lets say a lascannon for a marine squad I could get the bitz via Mail Order, but without bitz now do they really expect me to buy a devastator box as well as a tactical squad box? Or worse, think of if you wanted a Devastator squad with 4x Lascannons; is their answer seriously to buy 2+ devastator boxes? Ridiculous.

Classic case of "GW can't win".

Half the people are complaining that the kits don't have all the options, the other half are complaining that they're being forced to pay for bitz they don't need.

Obvious solution: go PP style: no options, no bitz. Everybody's happy Oh, wait...

Except GW would drop the bits and charge the same price for the kit.

If the models were more reasonably priced and bits were easy enough to get, I'd be happy to buy them separately. If the kits are expensive, I'm happier to have them in the box.

GW do something half way in between, kits are expensive, have some bits, but not enough to actually do the combos you might want, then if you want to buy extra bits, they mostly don't offer them without having to buy a whole extra kit... yeah, they can't win the hearts and minds of gamers pulling that stuff.

GW can win... they just have to stop appearing like they are trying to screw you at every 2nd turn and don't care about you at every other turn.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

Golgo13 wrote:
I don't like unfinished Unit boxes.. Privateer press has a few of them left but are slowly discontinuing them and replacing them with full unit boxes. Because they care about their customers. If a unit is X members you should get everything you need to field them in one BOX period.. If a unit can field a weapon it should be in the box period. I think GW are experts at not giving you everything you need in one box; but that is part of there market strategi, it is Stupid and makes you lose customers...

This exactly. Nothing pisses me off more than looking at buying a squad and realizing that I also need to buy another box (or worse, more than one) to get the parts I need. It wasn't quite as bad when they had bitz because if I needed lets say a lascannon for a marine squad I could get the bitz via Mail Order, but without bitz now do they really expect me to buy a devastator box as well as a tactical squad box? Or worse, think of if you wanted a Devastator squad with 4x Lascannons; is their answer seriously to buy 2+ devastator boxes? Ridiculous.

Classic case of "GW can't win".

Half the people are complaining that the kits don't have all the options, the other half are complaining that they're being forced to pay for bitz they don't need.

Obvious solution: go PP style: no options, no bitz. Everybody's happy Oh, wait...

Except GW would drop the bits and charge the same price for the kit.

If the models were more reasonably priced and bits were easy enough to get, I'd be happy to buy them separately. If the kits are expensive, I'm happier to have them in the box.

GW do something half way in between, kits are expensive, have some bits, but not enough to actually do the combos you might want, then if you want to buy extra bits, they mostly don't offer them without having to buy a whole extra kit... yeah, they can't win the hearts and minds of gamers pulling that stuff.

GW can win... they just have to stop appearing like they are trying to screw you at every 2nd turn and don't care about you at every other turn.

What I would've liked to see done is take those old special weapon sprues and heavy weapon sprues they make and sell them individually as well. You want lascannons? Buy one sprue and get two. GW already sells sprues found in box sets on their own, albeit at ridiculous prices (chaos upgrades being the worst offender), so it's not even much of a stretch from current operating procedure. Of course, the dream is that they'd make a dedicated small sprue with a single heavy weapon, the size of a Tau gun drone sprue, and sell those independently.

Zvezda 15mmSd Kfz222

The plastic Baneblade.

The kit has two problems which are infuriating; otherwise it's pretty simple. The first is the upper hull. The kit is quite large, so most of it comes in multiple pieces to avoid warpage and such, but the main upper hull is a single, always bent, piece of plastic. It runs from the front of the tank where the heavy bolter and demolisher is, all the way to the exhaust and simply will not fit. I eventually gave up and made an impromptu gap-filler (didn't have greenstuff at the time, so used superglue and old, thick acrylic paint).

Additionally, the sponson heavy bolters. Their pretty fiddly to put together; requiring that the pieces be facing the right way and such, but the moron who made the instruction manual photographed them head-on, so you can't see how any part of them are supposed to be orientated. I didn't even know what I was looking at; just grey vertical lines with a number pointing to them.

Penitant Engine. After building one, I swore I would never build another. And I haven't. In fact, since GW has no interest in SOB, neither do I. The old hybrid Landspeeder Typhoon was pretty sucktastic as well.

Il toss my hat in again with drop pods and fire warriors

Iv been a metal TFC and it wasn't all that bad.

Though bringing out a ball peen to get it together probably says something.

Ultra Grey wrote:
The old hybrid Landspeeder Typhoon was pretty sucktastic as well.

This.
I have one of those old hybrid Typhoons. The left launcher has come off. I do not have it within me to repair it, atleast not yet.

Any metal from any range or warma/hordes plastic"resin" kit, the molding lines and lack of poses are just horrible

Pinning will fix many problems. But kit designers need to make parts big enough to drill into.

The New DV models are gorgeous, but HOLY gak do they have a lot of bling to paint on each model!