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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 00:44:34
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Oh, snap! Things are getting serious now.
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/russias-channel-one-cancels-live-oscar-coverage-1201123999/
Leo Barraclough wrote:Russia’s Channel One Cancels Live Oscar Coverage
Channel extends coverage of Vladimir Putin's intervention in Ukraine
LONDON — Russia’s state-controlled network Channel One has cancelled its live coverage of the Oscars in order to cover the crisis in Ukraine.
The channel was due to show the awards between 4 a.m. and 9 a.m. Moscow time on Monday, AFP reported Sunday.
In a statement, Channel One said: “Due to the large amount of news concerning the situation in Crimea and the Ukraine, and the audience’s rising interest in news programs, Channel One considers it impossible to air the Oscars ceremony for five hours, particularly in the morning.”
It added that the awards would be aired at midnight on Monday instead.
Yury Gladilshchikov, a film critic for Moskovskiye Novosti newspaper, who had been invited to be a commentator for the Oscar ceremony, said he was told late Sunday that live coverage had been cancelled.
“They are gathering politicians for the morning programming,” Gladilshchikov said on Facebook.
Russian media has demonstrated unwavering support for Vladimir Putin’s intervention in Ukraine.
“Our propaganda on state channels is really running wild,” commented former economy minister Andrei Nechayev on Twitter.
Channel One is 51% owned by the state, and 49% by private shareholders. The Russian broadcasting scene is dominated by channels that are either run directly by the Kremlin or owned by companies with close links to the government, such as Gazprom.
Best user comment: "Who cares? I’m not watching either. The Walking Dead is on tonight!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 00:48:55
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Jihadin wrote:In 1903, Cuba signed a treaty that leased Guantanamo Bay to the United States for use as a Naval Station, with the understanding that this would reduce the military footprint of the U.S. on the island. Since the Cuban Revolution, the government of Cuba has not accepted the rent checks for the base.
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The speaker of Crimea's legislature, Vladimir Konstantinov, was quoted as saying local authorities do not recognize the new government in Kiev. He said a planned referendum on March 30 would ask voters about the region's future status.
Foxnews
Crimea is going Russia
The agreement was that both parties had to agree to termination of the lease. So even if Cuba objects, we have to agree to the terms. And there was nothing in the original treaty that limited what could occur there. US has total autonomy of the leased area to use as Naval and coaling purposes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 00:53:27
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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After the Platt Amendment was annulled in 1934, a new lease was negotiated between the Roosevelt administration and a Cuban government that included Fulgencio Batista as one of three signatories. Batista emerged as the strong man on the island over the next twenty-five years.
When the Revolution triumphed in 1959, the new Cuban government requested that Guantánamo be returned to Cuba. Instead of returning it, the U.S. banned its soldiers stationed at the bay from entering Cuban territory.
We can resupply GITMO from the sea. Its not an issue for us. Wait one While I find the end point for myself...give me a moment I have to go onto Port Website
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Going with two Brigade seen so far that's operational.
Seems right with 6K troops being reported. If fully mobilized with all vehicles...not going to include the MBT their assigned because they have not come off the base. I'm sure they're combat operational
Not going with the Naval Fleet/Black Sea Fleet since thats a Monster onto itself but factor in that one.
Three sources gave three numbers of personnel so added and divide by three I get 26K peeps in there.
Adding what I think is a Aviation Battalion of helo's (on base and ship aircrafts)
Food
Fuel
Mind you this is a ball park figure and since their operating at almost combat tempo.
18K lbs a day for food
900K gallon a day to keep all aircraft/vehiclesAFV/Troop trucks/MBT running in a 24 hour cycle
22K lbs Ammo initial (distribute out already and since its grunts X3 in storage:maybe more:going with two brigades) Think there are two more Brigades in there.
now factor in what the Black Sea Fleet needs. I am not Navy but none of the ships are nuclear I believe. So fuel from them more likely going over to fuel ships till the pipe line is more secure.
50 miles of highway M18 to secure: rolling convoy's
Continue security of both airports
Continue security of the power distro center
Heightened security in the Naval Base.
This is Russian I am guessing on and its a "guess" comparing it a US Brigade operating in a combat theater.
Anyone have reports of AN124 or AN125 flying in and out of the airports?
Putin needs those airfields and ship supply to continue to hold Sevastopol Naval Station.
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 01:34:30
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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I saw a friend on FB post a Yahoo news article, where they use the phrase that russia is violating the "sovreignity of Ukraine"
Umm... isn't that kind of the point of a war? Even though "we" won WW2, didn't we "violate the sovreignity" of Germany?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 01:35:58
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:I saw a friend on FB post a Yahoo news article, where they use the phrase that russia is violating the "sovreignity of Ukraine"
Umm... isn't that kind of the point of a war? Even though "we" won WW2, didn't we "violate the sovreignity" of Germany?
Germany declared war on the US.
When did the Ukraine do so to Russia?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 01:47:08
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Uh... VP Biden is on his way to Kiev... then what?
Oh... also this via twittah:
#BreakingNews #US Navy USS George Bush nuclear aircraft carrier declares high alert in the #Mediterranean. #Syria #Ukraine #Russia
3:08 PM - 1 Mar 2014
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 01:54:52
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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djones520 wrote: Ensis Ferrae wrote:I saw a friend on FB post a Yahoo news article, where they use the phrase that russia is violating the "sovreignity of Ukraine"
Umm... isn't that kind of the point of a war? Even though "we" won WW2, didn't we "violate the sovreignity" of Germany?
Germany declared war on the US.
When did the Ukraine do so to Russia?
They didn't. Neither did Russia.
There is no war, but Russia views this: http://rt.com/news/ukraine-crackdown-crisis-administration-393/ and especially this: http://rt.com/news/minority-language-law-ukraine-035/ as an excuse to move in and protect ethnic Russians in the Ukraine, who feel threatened by the new regime in Kiev and asked Russia for protection.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 01:56:32
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Right...
I gak gold bricks. Want to buy some? Send me $100 and I'll mail you three of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 01:56:43
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So the new Ukraine government not going to honor the original agreements to Sevastopol Naval Base?
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 02:30:46
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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whembly wrote:Uh... VP Biden is on his way to Kiev... then what?
Oh... also this via twittah:
#BreakingNews #US Navy USS George Bush nuclear aircraft carrier declares high alert in the #Mediterranean. #Syria #Ukraine #Russia
3:08 PM - 1 Mar 2014
Never mind that, here's an article written by a man's man, with hair on his chest!
http://www.journal14.com/2014/03/01/ummm-potential-game-changer-for-bo-what-will-he-do-or-try-to-ignore/comment-page-1/
Then there is this which is actually probably true:
http://www.journal14.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-what-the-world-sees.jpg
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 02:43:38
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Sadly, a lot of us in the States see it like that, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 02:52:20
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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In the Netherlands too. I was on a Dutch forum yesterday and there were lots of comments like: Hail Putin, our savior! I hope Russia invade the Netherlands as well. Yay Russia! Putin knows what to do, I wish we had a leader like him. Russia is so much better than the EU! At least Putin keeps his word, unlike the EU! Good job Putin! At least he doesn't go for all that endless lying political mumblejumble like the EU! It is probably because Putin is against the EU, and a large, very vocal part of the Dutch population is against the EU as well. Therefore, the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic is applied. Again, Dutch people are just plain weird. And of course the fact that Putin is in fact the most badass world leader in modern times also plays a part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 03:49:07
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Fixture of Dakka
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The BBC had a former US ambassador to Ukraine on earlier. He pointed out that if the Russians were moving into Crimea for the sake of its majority Russian population, and the West allows him to take it, it sets a precedent for the Federation to just willy nilly walk into other countries and take those parts where ethnic Russians live. Hey Mexico if this holds up maybe you want to go and take a third of the US back?
Let's see if NATO can have the balls to do something about this other than to throw political sanctions about. I mean if we keep allowing Putin's government to abuse the former Soviet satellites like this its just giving him the confidence to do it again and again. Presumably the Russians won't have the tact to outright annex an entire country, Poland style, but still, historian's will probably be shaking their heads at us over this x years down the line. =/
Ah, also; Russians how old is your equipment? Are those AK-74Ms (whatever happened to the Ak-100 series?) and BMP-1s? Damn, I suppose that old Soviet gear still holds up...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:00:00
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Wyrmalla wrote:The BBC had a former US ambassador to Ukraine on earlier. He pointed out that if the Russians were moving into Crimea for the sake of its majority Russian population, and the West allows him to take it, it sets a precedent for the Federation to just willy nilly walk into other countries and take those parts where ethnic Russians live. Hey Mexico if this holds up maybe you want to go and take a third of the US back?
Let's see if NATO can have the balls to do something about this other than to throw political sanctions about. I mean if we keep allowing Putin's government to abuse the former Soviet satellites like this its just giving him the confidence to do it again and again. Presumably the Russians won't have the tact to outright annex an entire country, Poland style, but still, historian's will probably be shaking their heads at us over this x years down the line. =/
Ah, also; Russians how old is your equipment? Are those AK-74Ms (whatever happened to the Ak-100 series?) and BMP-1s? Damn, I suppose that old Soviet gear still holds up...
To play devil's advocate: so what?
When you say NATO should do something, you know thats a quick slip slide into "fusion bombs off the port bow captain."
Most of you youngins don't remember the joy of the Cold War. No thanks. We don't need that gak again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:00:09
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Mexico
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Wyrmalla wrote:Hey Mexico if this holds up maybe you want to go and take a third of the US back?
Considering that you stole that territory in the first place... but you can keep the crazy rednecks  .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:01:11
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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The Conquerer
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Tyran wrote: Wyrmalla wrote:Hey Mexico if this holds up maybe you want to go and take a third of the US back?
Considering that you stole that territory in the first place... but you can keep the crazy rednecks  .
Stole?
We beat you fair and square.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:04:09
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Wyrmalla wrote:Ah, also; Russians how old is your equipment? Are those AK-74Ms (whatever happened to the Ak-100 series?) and BMP-1s? Damn, I suppose that old Soviet gear still holds up...
The uniforms are a mix. Some units are wearing the modern 2010 uniform (i don't see any of the latest 2012 uniforms yet) but older '90s and even some soviet stuff is also still in issue. The guns are modernised versions of the AK-74M (which is actually modern compared to the US' M16 and M4) The AK-100 series is still being developed and made, but they are issued to special units only as they are too expensive to equip the entire Russian army with them. The BMP-1 has mostly been replaced by the BMP-2 which is the most used armoured vehicle but the advanced BMP-3 can also be seen. But yes, that old Soviet stuff surely was built to last
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:05:05
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Grey Templar wrote: Tyran wrote: Wyrmalla wrote:Hey Mexico if this holds up maybe you want to go and take a third of the US back?
Considering that you stole that territory in the first place... but you can keep the crazy rednecks  .
Stole?
We beat you fair and square.
You stole it fair and square, just like Russia is doing to Ukraine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:07:32
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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The Conquerer
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Well we had courtesy to actually declare war
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:09:34
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Tyran wrote: Grey Templar wrote: Tyran wrote: Wyrmalla wrote:Hey Mexico if this holds up maybe you want to go and take a third of the US back?
Considering that you stole that territory in the first place... but you can keep the crazy rednecks  .
Stole?
We beat you fair and square.
You stole it fair and square, just like Russia is doing to Ukraine.
Wut?
The US was fighting an active war engagement all the way to Mexico City. Hostilities ended when Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed.
Nothing like what's going on in Ukraine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:12:57
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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This actually reminds me of my last game of Empire Total War when I took took over the entire America's with the US. American Frigates and Long Riflemen are OP!
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:16:01
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Actually I was thinking the St.Petersburg has some lovely architecture, and the way Russian authors speak about its European anyway apparently. So whilst they're eyes are off to Ukraine, the Estonians and a crack unit of Finnish tourists carrying massive cameras to incapacitate the local law enforcement snatch it. Just chalk it up to performing drills Russian style.
Ah, no I know that the BMP-1's been replaced (mostly), I just thought I seen one cruising about in a shot. Hmph, I was expecting a bit of gun porn, but the Russian army's really let me down so far (I wanna see a Groza by the end of this at least).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:16:37
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Tyran wrote: Grey Templar wrote: Tyran wrote: Wyrmalla wrote:Hey Mexico if this holds up maybe you want to go and take a third of the US back?
Considering that you stole that territory in the first place... but you can keep the crazy rednecks  . Stole? We beat you fair and square.
You stole it fair and square, just like Russia is doing to Ukraine. You attacked US troops then got your asses handed to you. Then we invaded. Moral of the story, don't attack US troops in mainland North America. You'll lose. I'm just sad we didn't annex the whole country. All that tequila, liquid gold, liquid gold. Plus Pyramids! WE could have had pyramids, and not the corny Vegas kind, but the cool gigantic stone kind to rival the Egyptians. With pyramids and tequila we could have countered the Haggis launchers, and then UK would have been ours too! Tequila and haggis, Hitler would have just kept painting bad portraits and not started all that gak. We could have drunkified Godzilla and he would have eaten the Japanese carriers before they launched. So really WWII is all Mexico's fault. We demand tequila reparations post haste. "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:27:24
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Well, except for the K-19...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:30:49
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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It is curious the similarities with the American-Mexican war, a land grab started because a part of a weaker country secedes because internal conflict in the capital (and because Texas loves slavery) and then asks a stronger neighbor help.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:32:59
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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whembly wrote:Uh... VP Biden is on his way to Kiev... then what?
Oh... also this via twittah:
#BreakingNews #US Navy USS George Bush nuclear aircraft carrier declares high alert in the #Mediterranean. #Syria #Ukraine #Russia
3:08 PM - 1 Mar 2014
Well, that makes sense. Biden is the administration's foreign policy muscle.
I wonder if they told him there was a crisis before they put him on the plane.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:37:06
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Seaward wrote: whembly wrote:Uh... VP Biden is on his way to Kiev... then what?
Oh... also this via twittah:
#BreakingNews #US Navy USS George Bush nuclear aircraft carrier declares high alert in the #Mediterranean. #Syria #Ukraine #Russia
3:08 PM - 1 Mar 2014
Well, that makes sense. Biden is the administration's foreign policy muscle.
I wonder if they told him there was a crisis before they put him on the plane.
News tomorrow: Mushroom clouds were sighted in the Crimea....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:48:31
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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The Conquerer
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Tyran wrote:It is curious the similarities with the American-Mexican war, a land grab started because a part of a weaker country secedes because internal conflict in the capital (and because Texas loves slavery) and then asks a stronger neighbor help.
Except Texas actually seceded from Mexico. They had their own war of independence, Remember the Alamo, etc...
So Texas was its own sovereign nation for a few years. The US then annexed it(bloodlessly) and Mexico didn't like it.
You comparing one process that took several years with something that has happened over a few days. Way different timeline and causes.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 04:51:50
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the making of a dictatorship, live!
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Mexico
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Grey Templar wrote: Tyran wrote:It is curious the similarities with the American-Mexican war, a land grab started because a part of a weaker country secedes because internal conflict in the capital (and because Texas loves slavery) and then asks a stronger neighbor help. Except Texas actually seceded from Mexico. They had their own war of independence, Remember the Alamo, etc... So Texas was its own sovereign nation for a few years. The US then annexed it(bloodlessly) and Mexico didn't like it. You comparing one process that took several years with something that has happened over a few days. Way different timeline and causes.
It seems Russia decided to skip the "war of independence" part. Maybe it is for the best as it avoids unnecessary deaths.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/03 05:18:52
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I'm sick of all the war birds I've been seeing lately. I think it's best to attempt to diffuse the situation before initiating the real "war to end all wars".
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