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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
What I am really interested in is how our opposition in the Crimea will impact Russia's cooperation in the Middle-East?

What cooperation?

You know, the cooperation where they back a dictator quashing an uprising in his own country, provide weapons, intelligence and advisers. Then help an exporter of terrorism continue along a path that could lead to an nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

That cooperation

The same cooperation in which the US backs radical islamist groups and tries to mess up yet another Middle-Eastern country?

 Iron_Captain wrote:
The same cooperation in which the US backs radical islamist groups and tries to mess up yet another Middle-Eastern country?

You see, there you go again. You think someone has said something unkind about Russia, and you rush to tell us how the US is as bad or worse.

All I did was list examples of where there has been no cooperation between the US and Russia, and asked where the cooperation was. There was no criticism nor judgement. Just an attempt to be humorous.

Your defensiveness, reflex instinct to lash out, and rigid thinking may cause some misunderstandings like this.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
The same cooperation in which the US backs radical islamist groups and tries to mess up yet another Middle-Eastern country?

You see, there you go again. You think someone has said something unkind about Russia, and you rush to tell us how the US is as bad or worse.

All I did was list examples of where there has been no cooperation between the US and Russia, and asked where the cooperation was. There was no criticism nor judgement. Just an attempt to be humorous.

Your defensiveness, reflex instinct to lash out, and rigid thinking may cause some misunderstandings like this.

I am sorry, but I can't really see the humour in it. I am afraid I still see any (perceived) assault on Russia as personal and a justification to lash out. It is an instinctive cultural trait I suppose . I shall try to reign it in as much as possible and refrain from criticsing the US too much from now on. It is hard, but I shall try.
Meanwhile, it would be nice if more people would show some understanding for Russia as well. Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

Seeing criticism of a country as a personal insult is a big flaw many people have. It makes for repetitive and boring threads full of bickering.

Being able to accept that yes, the country you were born in/like a lot has done bad gak is actually a good thing to be able to do. It's also a good thing to accept that because other countries have done bad things, it doesn't suddenly mean some other country should be allowed to.

As to Russia, being gay I have my doubts about how "good" it is.

I recognize Russia's vital insterests in keep its neighbors as key allies and under thier sphere of influence. The Ukrainians threatened to break up Russia's buffer zones and ally with the West.

I can understand why it was in Russia's vital interests to prove to its other buffer zones that such a move can not be tolerated. It is REALpolitik 101.

I would expect some of the Cons in this thread to recognize that too. However, it is much more fun for them to bait the Russian bear.

In principle, I am complete opposed to what Russia is doing in the Ukraine and Crimea, but it is a Fait Accompli and simple REALpolitik. I can appreciate it for what it is.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Russia is an empire.

No it isn't. The Soviet Union was an empire, but Russia is no more an empire than the US is.

And the Lannisters do not control Westeros

They don't actually. At best they have a tenuous control over half. The Westerlands, the Reach, the Riverlands and the Crownlands. The North, the Vale, the Iron Islands, the Storm Lands, and Dorne are all in open rebellion, are neutral or are publicly loyal and allied to the Lannisters but secretly plotting against them (Dorne).

All the Lannisters control are ravaged and partially depopulated lands riddled with roving bands of bandits and deserters, and numerous defeated Lords and houses forced to pledge allegiance to the Lannisters after their side was defeated but who cannot be considered loyal (Riverlands Lords and Stannis' men who sought Joffrey's pardon instead of fleeing north with him).

Sorry, Game of Thrones fan.

Lol, as am I... however, I would point out that it was the Lannisters who got the Boltons AND the Freys to violate the hospitality tradition, and through those 2 houses, control the North. I'm sure that, if it werent for the Imp taking care of Tywin, they would have eventually pulled in the Iron Islands, the Stormlands, and Dorne (seeing as how they have one of their own hostaged there)


It was more a jibe on the state of current political affairs... Sure the US/Russia don't ACTUALLY control much of the world, but it tends to be that when one or the other pulls the strings, others dance to the tune.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I am sorry, but I can't really see the humour in it. I am afraid I still see any (perceived) assault on Russia as personal and a justification to lash out. It is an instinctive cultural trait I suppose . I shall try to reign it in as much as possible and refrain from criticsing the US too much from now on. It is hard, but I shall try.
Meanwhile, it would be nice if more people would show some understanding for Russia as well. Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

If this is how you show humility you are going be in trouble the first time you get in to a fight with a significant other. Just saying, this circuitous dancing around your own hypocrisy is going to bite you in the ass when your boyfriend or girlfriend gets sick of your crap.

The Obama administration and Congress are moving on several fronts to try and calm the Ukraine stand-off -- and pressure Russia to cooperate -- ahead of a looming Crimea referendum which could further inflame the crisis.

President Obama, in a diplomatic snub at Russia, met Wednesday with Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House.

Can we not have a unified front? Jebus we cannot even get our act together

Sitting side by side in the Oval Office with Yatsenyuk, Obama said he hoped last-ditch diplomatic efforts might lead to a "rethinking" of Sunday's referendum on whether Crimea should join Russia. If the vote does occur, Obama said, "We will not recognize any referendum that goes forward."

Has Yatsenyuk even tried to get in contact with Putin? This guy wanting the US/EU to hold up its agreement made with the prior leader but not even acknowledge Russia agreement Double Standards and we're looking stupid

He warned that Russia could face "costs" and blasted the "slapdash election" as one being done at "the barrel of a gun."
Yatsenyuk said Ukraine will "never surrender" in the fight over its territory. "Ukraine is and will be part of the Western world," Yatsenyuk said in English.

Putin turns eases the flow of natural gas in retaliation....
Crimea being forced into the election or doing it of their own free choice?

A bipartisan group of senators also said they plan to travel to Ukraine on Thursday to meet with members of the interim government.

The developments come ahead of a scheduled Crimea vote on Sunday on whether to split off from Ukraine and join Russia. The United States and its top allies are presenting a united front against that referendum, arguing that the results will not be legitimate.

Double Standards Anyone disagree?

But, applying a carrot-and-stick approach, the U.S. is both courting and pressuring Russia. As Obama met Wednesday with the new Ukrainian prime minister, Secretary of State John Kerry announced plans to travel to London to again meet with Russia's foreign minister in the hopes of calming the Ukraine crisis ahead of Sunday's vote.

Crimea gone. Think ahead to avoid eastern Ukraine joining Russia

"Nothing justifies a military intervention that the world has witnessed," Kerry told a House panel on Wednesday morning. He said he would travel Thursday evening to London in order to meet Friday with Russia's Sergei Lavrov, and present a series of "choices" for the Russian government.Kerry argued that there are ways to resolve the stand-off and protect Russia's interests in the region. He added: "We will do what we have to do if Russia cannot find a way to make the right choices here."

Ignoring the fact that Putin started off securing a logistical line to his base. Kerry, you were a former Naval Officer..brown water Navyyou cannot be that dumb to not see what happen first and the snow ball effect

He was referring to sanctions and other steps the U.S. and other countries are poised to take. The situation could become more dire if not resolved soon, as Crimea prepares to vote Sunday on whether to split off from Ukraine and become part of Russia.

In anticipation of that vote, the G7 world leaders said Wednesday they will not recognize that decision. The leaders of the seven nations, including the United States, said in a statement that any attempt by Russia to change the status of Crimea would be a violation of international law and a referendum to annex Crimea "would have no legal effect."

Putin thinking long term already.
Ease off the flow of Natural Gas
Make the US/EU scramble to save the rest of Ukraine
Putin makes the US/EU as the "bad" guys in this. Does he have popular support in Russia for this?

"Given the lack of adequate preparation and the intimidating presence of Russian troops, it would also be a deeply flawed process which would have no moral force. For all these reasons, we would not recognize the outcome," the statement said. The statement was from Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain and the United States, along with the European Council and the European Commission.

This is not new. Quite a few countries are guilty of it

The leaders released the statement as members of Congress weigh some of the most significant sanctions on Russia since the end of the Cold War.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday advanced sanctions legislation that would pressure Russian President Vladimir Putin to pull Russian troops out of Crimea.

It authorizes $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine's new government and allows the Obama administration to impose economic penalties on Russian officials responsible for the intervention in Crimea or culpable of gross corruption. All Democrats supported the measure. Republican objections include how the U.S. will pay for the loan guarantees and provisions in the bill expanding the lending authority of the International Monetary Fund.

1 Billion dollars eh...and we have major issues ourselves

House Republicans are pushing their own bill.

Washington has been more strident in its measures thus far against Russia than its allies have, with European countries from Germany to Britain fretful that a sudden deterioration in relations with Moscow could be harmful for their manufacturing exporters and financial institutions.

]"Putin has miscalculated by playing a game of Russian roulette with the international community, but we refuse to blink, and will never accept this violation of international law," said Sen. Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, who introduced the legislation. "Ukraine is confronting a menacing threat challenging its very existence and in t heir hour of need, we firmly stand with the Ukrainian people to choose their own destiny without Russian interference."

Anyone even think on what effect Putin/Russia can do in retaliation?

The House overwhelmingly backed providing only the assistance to Ukraine last week and passed a resolution calling for sanctions on Russia Tuesday. Neither included language on the IMF, which the United States, European countries and others are working with to provide billions of dollars in loans to Ukraine's cash-depleted authorities.

Putin and other Russian officials have threatened retaliation for any Western punishment over Russia's occupation of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula. But with the U.S. and its European allies ruling out military options, a broad consensus has emerged among the Obama administration and Democratic and Republican lawmakers that sanctions are the strongest option available.

We're thinking we're still a force to be reckon with...even Vulcans are siding with Putin

Tensions are increasing ahead of the Russian-backed referendum this weekend in Crimea, where voters may declare the territory independent and propose becoming a Russian state. The U.S. and the European Union have both declared the vote as illegitimate.

Are we not increasing the tension ourselves..Trinton in Black Sea...couple more fighters and KC bird in Lithuania(?)

The Associated Press contributed to this report

Crimea a write off. Save the rest or we're all getting screwed and Putin more likely already 10 steps ahead of everyone else. We need to make him react towards us and not us reacting towards him

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I am sorry, but I can't really see the humour in it. I am afraid I still see any (perceived) assault on Russia as personal and a justification to lash out. It is an instinctive cultural trait I suppose . I shall try to reign it in as much as possible and refrain from criticsing the US too much from now on. It is hard, but I shall try.
Meanwhile, it would be nice if more people would show some understanding for Russia as well. Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

If this is how you show humility you are going be in trouble the first time you get in to a fight with a significant other. Just saying, this circuitous dancing around your own hypocrisy is going to bite you in the ass when your boyfriend or girlfriend gets sick of your crap.

At least I admit to my own failings. Can't say the same of everyone else here. Maybe you'd care to enlighten me to my 'circuitous dancing around my own hypocrisy'? Because I can't see it and I'd like to be aware of personal flaws, so that I may improve them.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

Stalin perpetrated the largest genocidal acts in history, nothing anybody else has done compares. When you're current leader is looking back on the USSR as the good 'ole days its kind of hard to trust him.

Its not even close to that bad now, but its rather disturbing how favorably they look back.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

Stalin perpetrated the largest genocidal acts in history, nothing anybody else has done compares. When you're current leader is looking back on the USSR as the good 'ole days its kind of hard to trust him.

Its not even close to that bad now, but its rather disturbing how favorably they look back.

Well good thing Stalin was Georgian not Russian and lead the USSR, also not Russia.

Baiting aside, I'm still amazed at the support Putin has garnered from some of the more vocal fringe Right wing groups in America because he's (i'm guessing here) anti-gay. With all the the rhetoric of "King Obama" and "tyranny" I find it strange to say the least. America might not be perfect, but at least I don't have to worry about my tea being spiked with Po-210.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

Stalin perpetrated the largest genocidal acts in history, nothing anybody else has done compares. When you're current leader is looking back on the USSR as the good 'ole days its kind of hard to trust him.

Its not even close to that bad now, but its rather disturbing how favorably they look back.

As evil as Stalin was don't forget Mao and his Great Leap Forward which killed upwards of 50,000,000 million people. The thing about finding villains in history is that each time you do hear about one you'll always find another bastard trying to outdo the last big bad.

DutchWinsAll wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

Stalin perpetrated the largest genocidal acts in history, nothing anybody else has done compares. When you're current leader is looking back on the USSR as the good 'ole days its kind of hard to trust him.

Its not even close to that bad now, but its rather disturbing how favorably they look back.

Well good thing Stalin was Georgian not Russian and lead the USSR, also not Russia.

Baiting aside, I'm still amazed at the support Putin has garnered from some of the more vocal fringe Right wing groups in America because he's (i'm guessing here) anti-gay. With all the the rhetoric of "King Obama" and "tyranny" I find it strange to say the least. America might not be perfect, but at least I don't have to worry about my tea being spiked with Po-210.

YTou must be looking really hard and in weird places. The usual right wing crazy hotspots are shouting just this side of war.

Stalin?
Mao?
Pol Pot?
Hitler?

Putin taking Crimea with no persecution of anybody...or did I miss something...

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I am sorry, but I can't really see the humour in it. I am afraid I still see any (perceived) assault on Russia as personal and a justification to lash out. It is an instinctive cultural trait I suppose . I shall try to reign it in as much as possible and refrain from criticsing the US too much from now on. It is hard, but I shall try.
Meanwhile, it would be nice if more people would show some understanding for Russia as well. Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

If this is how you show humility you are going be in trouble the first time you get in to a fight with a significant other. Just saying, this circuitous dancing around your own hypocrisy is going to bite you in the ass when your boyfriend or girlfriend gets sick of your crap.

At least I admit to my own failings. Can't say the same of everyone else here. Maybe you'd care to enlighten me to my 'circuitous dancing around my own hypocrisy'? Because I can't see it and I'd like to be aware of personal flaws, so that I may improve them.

Sure. Let's break down the posting I originally quoted.

You said:

I am afraid I still see any (perceived) assault on Russia as personal and a justification to lash out. It is an instinctive cultural trait I suppose

What I am reading is that you get defensive whenever someone attacks your beloved Russia, and justify your outbursts as a "cultural trait" derived from instinct, aka something naturally occurring and not learned behavior. So you are claiming a natural justification for your overly defensive stance on any criticism leveled at Russia. Interesting, so let's read on.

Then you said:

I shall try to reign it in as much as possible and refrain from criticsing [sic] the US too much from now on. It is hard, but I shall try. Meanwhile, it would be nice if more people would show some understanding for Russia as well. Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

Hmm... the plot thickens. So, YOU cannot control your outbursts, or your misguided impressions of other countries, but you expect EVERYONE ELSE to be gentle when discussing the bastion of progress and hope that is Russia? There is your hypocrisy. You are telling us to do as you say but not as you do, all the while STILL bashing the US in your insincere attempt to display humility. Oh, it is so hard not to criticize the US, right. You try every time you approach a key board, but your fingers just find their way to the right keys and before you know it obnoxious, passive aggressive comments just seem to enter themselves onto the page. Right? You try so hard, but your instincts just kick in, right? It is just natural, right? What a conundrum!

Please.

If you are a slave to your own cultural identify, and the propaganda that comes with it, and use that identity to form opinions and level attacks against others who do not share that identity, then don't be surprised, outraged or indignant when you receive a similar brand of attacks aimed at your culture. I.e. don't be a hypocrite, treat others with the kind of respect you would want to be treated with, and you won't run into so many problems.

Or keep doing what you are doing and marvel at the abuses leveled at you by us demonic Westerners.

Reports of Russian troops massing bordering other regions of Ukraine now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html

Maybe my 6month - two year time line was being generous.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Sure. Let's break down the posting I originally quoted.

You said:

I am afraid I still see any (perceived) assault on Russia as personal and a justification to lash out. It is an instinctive cultural trait I suppose

What I am reading is that you get defensive whenever someone attacks your beloved Russia,

True. I love Russia very much and do not like to see her slandered. I assume you love your native country as well. People here become agitated when I criticise the US, it is only logical that I would become agitated when people here criticise Russia.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
and justify your outbursts as a "cultural trait" derived from instinct, aka something naturally occurring and not learned behavior. So you are claiming a natural justification for your overly defensive stance on any criticism leveled at Russia. Interesting, so let's read on.

You may have been reading it wrong. A 'cultural trait' is not natural, it is learned behaviour. The statement is also not intended as justification, and certainly not a 'natural' one, but rather as possible explanation. Russians are already an easily agitated, defensive people and I have been living in the West for 5 years, in which I had to deal with no small amount of ignorance, hostillity and racism towards me and my country. Russophobia is still alive and well in the West. I hope you can understand that I sometimes react frustrated and defensive towards criticism that is unnecessary or ignorant in my eyes.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Then you said:

I shall try to reign it in as much as possible and refrain from criticsing [sic] the US too much from now on. It is hard, but I shall try. Meanwhile, it would be nice if more people would show some understanding for Russia as well. Russia is not as nearly as bad as often depicted in Western media.

Hmm... the plot thickens. So, YOU cannot control your outbursts, or your misguided impressions of other countries, but you expect EVERYONE ELSE to be gentle when discussing the bastion of progress and hope that is Russia? There is your hypocrisy. You are telling us to do as you say but not as you do, all the while STILL bashing the US in your insincere attempt to display humility. Oh, it is so hard not to criticize the US, right. You try every time you approach a key board, but your fingers just find their way to the right keys and before you know it obnoxious, passive aggressive comments just seem to enter themselves onto the page. Right? You try so hard, but your instincts just kick in, right? It is just natural, right? What a conundrum!

You are wrong here. I do not feel an 'automatic' instinctive need to criticise the US whenever I get near a keyboard. Never did I say that Russia is a 'bastion of progress and hope'. I am trying to reign in the strong urge to post criticism where it does not contribute to the discussion, which is hard with people like you doing just that and twisting my words and constantly accusing me of things like 'Spreading Russian propaganda' and being a 'Stalinist fanboy'. Pozor vam. I did not ask people to refrain from criticising Russia, I just asked them to try and get some understanding of Russia, to get past the ignorance displayed by many in this thread and to look past the Russophobe Western media. It is the first step to understanding, we will get nowhere if the pot keeps calling the kettle black.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Please.

If you are a slave to your own cultural identify, and the propaganda that comes with it, and use that identity to form opinions and level attacks against others who do not share that identity, then don't be surprised, outraged or indignant when you receive a similar brand of attacks aimed at your culture. I.e. don't be a hypocrite, treat others with the kind of respect you would want to be treated with, and you won't run into so many problems.

Or keep doing what you are doing and marvel at the abuses leveled at you by us demonic Westerners.

Your post got more and more hypocritical the longer I read, but this part was the worst.
I am not a slave to my cultural identity. Not at all. I am only 50% Russian and I have lived in 5 different countries. I know the West, I know Russia and I know the differences between the two worlds. I would say I am less a 'slave' to a single cultural identity than most people here. All I am asking for is that people look past their own cultural identity and try to understand and accept different viewpoints. That is something you could definitely learn. You call others a hypocrite while being very hypocritical yourself. You tell me to respect others while you are not respecting me. You twist my words into things I have never said. Why?

So it appears that Russia 'claims' (No confirmations from DoD) to of shot down a US Drone today

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-180430584.html

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
So it appears that Russia 'claims' (No confirmations from DoD) to of shot down a US Drone today

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-180430584.html

Could be considered an act of war. Nothing will be done though.

 djones520 wrote:

Could be considered an act of war. Nothing will be done though.

Sending the drone into that area could also be considered an act of war, assuming either happened.

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
So it appears that Russia 'claims' (No confirmations from DoD) to of shot down a US Drone today

Nah, the claim is that they disrupted the link between the drone and the drone controller; which has the potential to be much worse.

 dogma wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

Could be considered an act of war. Nothing will be done though.

Sending the drone into that area could also be considered an act of war, assuming either happened.

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
So it appears that Russia 'claims' (No confirmations from DoD) to of shot down a US Drone today

Nah, the claim is that they disrupted the link between the drone and the drone controller; which has the potential to be much worse.

Not if it was with the permission of the Ukranian government.

That is still a part of the Ukraine.

members of right sector have killed two pro-russian protestors in ukraine

"Two people have been killed after armed men from the radical Right Sector movement attacked local self-defense activists and barricaded themselves inside their HQ in Ukraine's Kharkov. Two negotiators have been taken hostage, the city mayor said.

The armed group that barricaded itself inside the local headquarters of Right Sector was shooting and throwing flash grenades and Molotov cocktails at Kharkov anti-Maidan activists who gathered outside.

Two people were killed in the shooting and at least four more were wounded, authorities said. The armed group has taken hostage three men – two activists and one policeman –who reportedly went inside to negotiate their surrender. "

Yes... that is going to help your cause a whole lot... effin idiots.

 djones520 wrote:

Not if it was with the permission of the Ukranian government.

That is still a part of the Ukraine.

I'm not convinced that the Ukrainian "government" has authority over its territory, or that US interests are best served by way of intervention.

At best, it was a drone shot (or possibly "shot") down over contested territory.

also, you all may remember how those nice, newly appointed guys from right sector demanding that people from right sector get access to the military armories, and the newly appointed government saying no?

well, the armories they wanted to loot are now missing lots of machine guns, grenades, and missile launchers.

Not only that, but now the prime minister of crimea has announced he has intelligence on another right sector inspired attack.

"On Wednesday the Crimean Prime Minister Sergey Aksenov announced he had information that the Right Sector might be planning an attack on one of the Ukrainian army units in the peninsula under the guise of Russian servicemen as a provocation to disrupt the referendum. Some 10,000 members of the Crimean military, recently formed from self-defense squads, and over 5,000 police officers will ensure that the referendum goes smoothly, Aksenov said. "



on the weapons being stolen recently

"Fears of possible armed assaults and provocation in Ukraine and neighboring countries are on the rise after yet another report that rocket grenade launchers, firearms and munitions have been stolen from a military warehouse in western Ukraine.

A source in the Ukrainian Interior Ministry told RIA Novosti that the coup appointed Interior Minister Arsen Avakov has recently been notified that a large cache of guns and ammunition was missing from one of the military warehouses.

“Reports to Avakov indicate that over 5,000 Kalashnikov rifles, 2,741 Makarov handguns, 123 light machineguns and 12 Shmel rocket launchers were stolen from the Interior Troops’ depots in the Lvov Region in late February,” the source said.

“The investigation has also established that 1,500 F-1 hand grenades and a large number of munitions are missing,” it added.

Earlier it was reported that at the end of February 2014 during the assaults on a number Ukrainian military units in the Western Lvov Region, radicals stole some 1,200 firearms, including around 1,000 Makarov handguns, over 170 Kalashnikov rifles as well as machineguns and sniper rifles.

The authorities in Ukraine have so far failed to track down these weapons igniting speculation that these weapons could be used to provoke more unrest in Ukraine which could eventually spill outside the country. "


right sectors preamble to all this from last week, emphasis mine.

"7 March 2014 - 10:58am

A leader of the Ukrainian faction Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh, has demanded the country's military to give his organization weapons, military weapons and open military training centers, ITAR-TASS reports.
He explained that his organization will need to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Yarosh does not rule out that Right Sector may take more decisive actions

A leader of the Ukrainian faction Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh, has demanded the country's military to give his organization weapons, military weapons and open military training centers, ITAR-TASS reports.

He explained that his organization will need to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Yarosh does not rule out that Right Sector may take more decisive actions"



http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/politics/52334.html

The Ukrainian parliament has voted to dissolve the Crimean parliament. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/15/ukraine-crisis-fatal-clashes-as-tensions-rise-before-crimea-vote-live, http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/.
Not that it will do much considering that the Crimean parliament does not recognize the Ukrainian one, and the Ukrainian parliament isn't even legally elected.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Ukrainian parliament has voted to dissolve the Crimean parliament. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/15/ukraine-crisis-fatal-clashes-as-tensions-rise-before-crimea-vote-live, http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/.
Not that it will do much considering that the Crimean parliament does not recognize the Ukrainian one, and the Ukrainian parliament isn't even legally elected.

USA has voted to annex Russia against their will

 Easy E wrote:
In principle, I am complete opposed to what Russia is doing in the Ukraine and Crimea, but it is a Fait Accompli and simple REALpolitik. I can appreciate it for what it is.

Spoken like a member of a nation that has never been the subject of realpolitik. Keep it up.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
the Ukrainian parliament isn't even legally elected.

Last time I checked, the current parliament is the same that was elected in 2012. Did I miss something?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
the Ukrainian parliament isn't even legally elected.

Last time I checked, the current parliament is the same that was elected in 2012. Did I miss something?

Well, you may have missed that little coup that happened last month...
There has been quite some shuffling around since 2012.

yeah... so, not only has 10% of the popular vote in ukraine been for an overtly neo nazi party (svoboda)...

but now, we have the right sector leader (who is one of the newly, violently, apointed leaders) is running for PRESIDENT.

"Yarosh, who considers the far-right Svoboda "too liberal", wants to ban both the former ruling party (Party of Regions) and the Communist Party of Ukraine."


well, this guy who thinks the neo-nazi party is "too liberal" is quite popular, and actually has a chance to win the presidency.

what was that people were saying earlier about the neo nazi movment being "isolated" radicals, and nothing to be worried about?

this guy looks like exactly the kind of person who should be put into power by violent means....





Ukraine's Neo-Fascist Right Sector Leader Dmytro Yarosh to Run for President

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraines-neo-fascist-right-sector-leader-dmytro-yarosh-run-president-1439324


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seriously... at what point do you say "hmm we have too many neo nazis"

is it when more then 1/10 of the general population votes for them? (keep in mind, at present, there are more nazis as a % of voters in ukraine, then there were in 1933 germany where only 3% of the general population supported them)

is it when an openly neo-nazi affiliated person can openly run for an office as high as the presidency?


seriously.... if someone ran for president as a KKK or nazi representative in the states, I dont think so many people would be apologists about it and turn such a blind eye to it.


or at least, I would hope so....