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 Soladrin wrote:

Plane confirmed to have been broken in two before crashing.

Which still leaves two options (in my mind):

Terrorist group (possibly operating in the Jakarta area... since, terrorism isn't a regional thing) blows up plane. Missile from ground or air based systems (as has been talked about.


If it's the first, there are of course a huge number of possibilities ranging from:

-If it is some group that works/operates primarily from the Region in which this aircraft was headed (Jakarta), then why did it explode over Ukraine? Was it intended to merely get airborne and go off, or would it be meant to strike closer to the destination?

-If it was a group operating through Russia/Ukraine, and was intended to crash in/around the Ukrainian area... Then that was some seriously heavy duty math that went into the timing, was extremely lucky, or we're looking at some Tom Clancy (as someone else mentioned) Rainbow 6 level conspiracy here.

Or, as a genius on twitter noted:

ISIS DID IT.

I hate twitter.

Whoa.....found out about Air Space permits....time block...and the aircraft was running 30 min left

Bloody hell... I just feel really sorry for anyone who lost someone in this.

 Jihadin wrote:
Whoa.....found out about Air Space permits....time block...and the aircraft was running 30 min left

Could you translate that to english?

Aircraft has a time block to enter another country airspace, International Civilian flights. The aircraft is expected to be in the area. Malaysia it seemed was running 30 minute late so it would be appear like unconfirmed aircraft entering air space.

 Jihadin wrote:
Aircraft has a time block to enter another country airspace, International Civilian flights. The aircraft is expected to be in the area. Malaysia it seemed was running 30 minute late so it would be appear like unconfirmed aircraft entering air space.

Malaysia airlines = death huh?

 Soladrin wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Aircraft has a time block to enter another country airspace, International Civilian flights. The aircraft is expected to be in the area. Malaysia it seemed was running 30 minute late so it would be appear like unconfirmed aircraft entering air space.

Malaysia airlines = death huh?

Third time the charm?

 Jihadin wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Aircraft has a time block to enter another country airspace, International Civilian flights. The aircraft is expected to be in the area. Malaysia it seemed was running 30 minute late so it would be appear like unconfirmed aircraft entering air space.

Malaysia airlines = death huh?

Third time the charm?

Well, Dutch news just reported that Schiphol Airport (Amsterdam) had received no flight restrictions for the area so who the hell knows.

How low can your shares go?

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but several other aircraft have gone down in the same area the past few days. Ukrainian craft that the Ukrainians say were shot down by the Russians, but there's apparently no evidence the Russians are the ones who shot those ones down. EDIT: Rebels have claimed responsibility for the aforementioned craft.

 -Shrike- wrote:
How low can your shares go?

Very funny and witty.

 -Shrike- wrote:
How low can your shares go?

300+ people died, man. Have a bit of respect.

 Jihadin wrote:
Putin might be dusting off that book on what happen afterwards when Russia shot a South Korean airliner. Sep's have secured the site

There are reports that one of the Russian-backed separatists bragged about shooting down another Ukrainian plane, shortly before the crash. As always with these early reports, it's not been confirmed by objective sources as yet. But if so, this will have to bring in EU sanctions against Russia.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-plane/25460930.html

We need to keep in mind that these are suspicions of a shoot-down, but suspicions are only suspicions, and the Ukranians have an interest in suggesting Russian culpability.

I'm not pointing fingers until we get more info.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Well, the terrorists themselves claim having it shot down.

The Ukrainian government claims having shot it down? Now that is news.

Donetsk People's Republic has stated its forces do not possess such military equipment.

I was just reading that initially separatist forces claimed responsibility for downing an aircraft online, but once it became known it was a civilian aircraft they deleted their post. So, it would most certainly seem they do possess such military equipment, chances are supplied by Russia, though I dont rule out the possibility that they raided a poorly defended Ukrainian arsenal either.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
If it turns out it was the Ukrainians who shot the airplane down, it would not be the first time:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1359353/Ukraine-admits-it-shot-down-Russian-airliner.html

You posted something that wasn't Russian!! So proud of you!

2. A Ukrainian missile or aircraft operator picked up the civilian aircraft on radar, but due to an equipment malfunction, mistook it for a Russian aircraft, and opened fire.

I'd peg it down to a 50/50 at this stage. I'm not entirely seeing the Russians being happy passing SAM-300's over the border when they were cagey about even giving them to Syria, but at the same time, equipment malfunction and trigger-happiness is equally unlikely.

Generally speaking you don't shoot at an aircraft exiting your airspace unless its blown something up... so unless there was a report of non-ukrainian aircraft bombing ukraine earlier today, that seems unlikely.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Whoa.....found out about Air Space permits....time block...and the aircraft was running 30 min left

Could you translate that to english?

If it makes you feel any better, I find most of Jihadins post to be largely unintelligible, almost stream-of-consciousness type ramblings... oddly enough I can still understand them. He's talking about whats basically a 'schedule' used internationally, basically a window in which an aircraft can enter into another countries airspace without air defenses freaking out (because they know in advance to expect the plane in the area). He's implying the reason for the shootdown may have been because the plane was 30 minutes late, but thats nonsensical, as the plane would have been over Ukrainian airspace for an hour or so by the time it was shot down, and considering it was shot down on exit rather than entry...

 Soladrin wrote:
I'm not pointing fingers until we get more info.

Wasn't directed at you, but more at the thread in general.

 Soladrin wrote:
Or, as a genius on twitter noted:

ISIS DID IT.

I hate twitter.

Many Russians say: USA DID IT!
But they say that everytime something bad happens, so that is normal I guess

 Soladrin wrote:
Or, as a genius on twitter noted:

ISIS DID IT.

I hate twitter.

How the hell...

 LordofHats wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Or, as a genius on twitter noted:

ISIS DID IT.

I hate twitter.

How the hell...

Uh, someone tried injecting humour into the thread. Outrageous, I know.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Or, as a genius on twitter noted:

ISIS DID IT.

I hate twitter.

How the hell...

Spoiler:

How is ISIS even supposed to be able to do it from all the way over there. Furthermore, why?!?

Cause' conspiracy?

Caliphate is bigger then what was claimed.




and Gaza is now on the hooked......Shep is all over it that to.

Gunny Duff looks good.

Outrageous that someone might find it low bar even by Twitters already low standards.

Welp, just got confirmation, airspace was completely open above 30.000 feet. Zero restrictions so that time slot was a non-issue.

The "we do not know how to operate them" is weak. Russian military like the US Military. -10 manual in every vehicle. (Operator Manual)

 Jihadin wrote:
The "we do not know how to operate them" is weak. Russian military like the US Military. -10 manual in every vehicle. (Operator Manual)

Yeah, but rebels aren't known for their tact.

 Jihadin wrote:
The "we do not know how to operate them" is weak. Russian military like the US Military. -10 manual in every vehicle. (Operator Manual)

Pfft. Like anyone actually reads the instructions.

Live free man push the buttons at random!

 Soladrin wrote:
Welp, just got confirmation, airspace was completely open above 30.000 feet. Zero restrictions so that time slot was a non-issue.

RT it seems is reporting it was an attempt on Putin life. It seems he was flying in the same area but at 3K higher....

Several planes have been shot down in that area by separatists and/or Russians in the past few days. It's pretty obvious what happened here.