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2014/07/21 19:39:15
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Here's praying the artillery that started firing again today gets as many of them as possible.
Who? the people who fired the missile or the separatists? Some of whom may have had nothing to do with it.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2014/07/21 20:19:22
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2014/07/21 22:17:19
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Sigvatr wrote: Here's praying the artillery that started firing again today gets as many of them as possible.
Right, and a few dozen innocent civilians in the process.
Really, the hypocrisy, double standards and outright blood thirst of certain people in this thread is disgusting.
A plane full of Western civilians is mistaken for a military aircraft in a Warzone where the Ukrainian airforce is carrying out daily air strikes is shot down? "Thats outrageous! They're despicable terrorists, hunt them down and kill them all! Lets pray that artillery kills them all!"
Whereas the Ukrainian government kills dozens if not hundreds of people with inaccurate airstrikes? Barely a peep, unless its a call for more airstrikes and artillery.
Meanwhile in another thread, Israel is condemned for shooting back at Hamas.
2014/07/21 22:24:03
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
When the casualty numbers, military superiority, and technological superiority are as skewed as they are I will condemn Israel as well.
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2014/07/21 22:26:31
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Funnily, that video seems to be linked to Infowars and Alex Jones.
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2014/07/21 22:30:34
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Christ.
IF thats all true, and our western governments know the truth (that the Ukraine military was responsible for MH17) but are covering it up so they can pin the blame on Russia and further their own agendas...my god. Our government leaders deserve to be shot if this is true.
1984 never even came close to reality - George Orwell would be shocked if he were alive today.
Still, that video is from Info Wars, a well known nest of crackpots and lunatics (Alex Jones), so a bucket of salt is required. Are there any credible sources which confirm this?
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2014/07/21 22:36:13
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Christ.
IF thats all true, and our western governments know the truth (that the Ukraine military was responsible for MH17) but are covering it up so they can pin the blame on Russia and further their own agendas...my god. Our government leaders deserve to be shot if this is true.
1984 never even came close to reality - George Orwell would be shocked if he were alive today.
Still, that video is from Info Wars, a well known nest of crackpots and lunatics (Alex Jones), so a bucket of salt is required. Are there any credible sources which confirm this?
Also consider that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General apparently said "The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems." That does not rule out the terrorists acquiring a BUK system from another source.
I highly doubt that the US government, with it's spy satellites and intelligence gathering all over the world, would be anywhere near as supportive of the stance that the terrorists did it if they weren't 100% sure, just in case something like this happened. That kind of thing could destroy an election campaign as surely as killing Osama Bin-Laden can win one.
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2014/07/21 22:36:27
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
If it's from Info Wars it can be completely disregarded in its entirety.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/07/21 22:37:56
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Christ.
IF thats all true, and our western governments know the truth (that the Ukraine military was responsible for MH17) but are covering it up so they can pin the blame on Russia and further their own agendas...my god. Our government leaders deserve to be shot if this is true.
1984 never even came close to reality - George Orwell would be shocked if he were alive today.
Still, that video is from Info Wars, a well known nest of crackpots and lunatics (Alex Jones), so a bucket of salt is required. Are there any credible sources which confirm this?
From prison planet live, on you tube. Although it seems Alex Jones is covering it as well.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2014/07/21 22:38:53
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
To be fair, the military would have a bit of a reason to lie about the rebels having stolen a buk; if they admit that one of their own weapons was stolen and used to shoot down MH17, it doesn't exactly reflect well on them.
Also consider that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General apparently said "The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems." That does not rule out the terrorists acquiring a BUK system from another source.
I highly doubt that the US government, with it's spy satellites and intelligence gathering all over the world, would be anywhere near as supportive of the stance that the terrorists did it if they weren't 100% sure, just in case something like this happened. That kind of thing could destroy an election campaign as surely as killing Osama Bin-Laden can win one.
True but would the russians be stupid enough to lend the separatists an AA missile system,? Has the American gov said it was the separatists, or just circumstances indicate that it was them. Maybe they're choosing their words carefully.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2014/07/21 22:55:08
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Your source? I can make youtube videos that claim Obama is a Muslim, doesn't make it true.
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Funnily, that video seems to be linked to Infowars and Alex Jones.
U.S. and Ukrainian authorities continue to insist that Moscow-backed separatists were responsible for the tragedy, asserting that a BUK missile system was used to bring down the airliner. However, this was contradicted by Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema, who stated, “The military told the president after the passenger plane had been shot down that the terrorists did not possess our Buk missile systems.”
In a related development, audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.
Christ.
IF thats all true, and our western governments know the truth (that the Ukraine military was responsible for MH17) but are covering it up so they can pin the blame on Russia and further their own agendas...my god. Our government leaders deserve to be shot if this is true.
1984 never even came close to reality - George Orwell would be shocked if he were alive today.
Still, that video is from Info Wars, a well known nest of crackpots and lunatics (Alex Jones), so a bucket of salt is required. Are there any credible sources which confirm this?
From prison planet live, on you tube. Although it seems Alex Jones is covering it as well.
Again, source invalid. Move on.
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2014/07/22 13:50:16
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Sigvatr wrote: Here's praying the artillery that started firing again today gets as many of them as possible.
You are either trolling or a sad excuse for a human being, for wishing people dead like that. Do you know that most people killed by the artillery are innocent civilians, not combatants? Either way, most of your posts so far have been either offensive, rude, unconstructive or devoid of reason, sometimes all at the same time, so you are getting the honour of being the first person on my ignore list.
But so are the fascists and nationalists who seized power in Kiev.
Someones bought into a lot of the propaganda nonsense coming out of Moscow, eh? (P.S. - Nationalist doesn't = evil, nor does it mean racist, genocidal, etc. etc. etc.)
You can't deny there are fascist elements among those who seized power in Kiev. Svoboda was one of the main driving forces between the Maidan protests, they hold quite a lot of important positions now and they are as racist as can be. Just look at this agitprop poster from Svoboda: It says: "Remember, cursing makes you into a Moskal". Moskal is an offensive ethnic slur for Russians.
In general, Putin is about tied with Jesus and God for 'most worshipped deity' in Russia.
I've met a few Russians over the past year or so... this is definitely NOT the impression I got from them...
Never make the mistake of overgeneralisation. Russians are individuals. The fact that Putin is extremely popular in Russia does not mean every Russian likes Putin. There are plenty who dislike him, and Russians outside Russia are probably more likely to disapprove of Putin than those who never leave Russia. The fact is though that the Crimean Crisis has massively boosted Putin's slowly declining popularity up to something like 80%, which I don't think any other leader can boast of.
chaos0xomega wrote: Lets not get confused, the plane was intentionally shot down, regardless of whether or not they thought it was a military or civilian aircraft. While it most likely it was not their intent to bring down a civilian aircraft, it WAS their intent to shoot down an aircraft.
That is true. The shooting down of an aircraft was no accident. The fact that it was a civilian aircraft that was shot down however was an accident. I don't think the seperatists with their simple radar had any way to tell the difference between a military transport plane and a civilian airliner, and they had not expected any civilian aircraft to be in the area at all.
chaos0xomega wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and also there is this:
Possible they launched at an escorting fighter and the missile instead locked the airliner? I find the source dubious, mind you, essentially the equivalent of a journalist who frequented dakka seeing Seaward or Jihadins posts on dakka and contacting them for their analysis of the situation without checking credentials.
That could be possible, the Russians have been claiming to have detected a Ukrainian jet in the area pretty much since the day the airliner was shot down. This chart supposedly shows the flightpaths of aircraft in the area as detected by Russian radar:
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2014/07/22 13:52:50
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
But so are the fascists and nationalists who seized power in Kiev.
Someones bought into a lot of the propaganda nonsense coming out of Moscow, eh? (P.S. - Nationalist doesn't = evil, nor does it mean racist, genocidal, etc. etc. etc.)
You can't deny there are fascist elements among those who seized power in Kiev.
There's a fascist element in power in Moscow. Difference is it's being a lot more active in pushing forward policies than any one that exists in Kiev.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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2014/07/22 14:03:31
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
But so are the fascists and nationalists who seized power in Kiev.
Someones bought into a lot of the propaganda nonsense coming out of Moscow, eh? (P.S. - Nationalist doesn't = evil, nor does it mean racist, genocidal, etc. etc. etc.)
You can't deny there are fascist elements among those who seized power in Kiev.
There's a fascist element in power in Moscow. Difference is it's being a lot more active in pushing forward policies than any one that exists in Kiev.
I assume you mean Zhirinovsky and his Liberal Democratic party? Well, they are fascists for sure, barely any better than Svoboda or Pravy Sektor, but unlike those, they have little real influence in Russian policy despite being in parliament, because no other party really takes them seriously.
Soladrin wrote: Well, according to Kerry, the US has evidence of Russia delivering the missile system.
Ah, NU.nl, most reliable of all Dutch news sources At least nu.nl manages to be always pretty impartial, which is quite impressive. And they are fast with their news, which is also nice altough it goes at the cost of reliability (and grammar) at times. In any case, nothing wrong with nu.nl's reliabilty in this case
The Americans can claim whatever they want, but so far they have refused to share any of this supposed 'evidence' they have. So far, the only 'evidence' that was provided (that I know of at least) was a video that supposedly showed a missile launcher being transported back to Russia. That video is highly questionable however, not only because all it shows is a truck with missile launcher driving on a road, but also because the billboard on the video lists the adress of the car dealer as being in Krasnoarmeysk which at the time of the shootdown was in Ukrainian hands and which is quite far removed from the Russian border. It makes little sense for a Krasnoarmeysk car dealer to advertise near the Russian border.
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2014/07/22 14:25:44
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
But so are the fascists and nationalists who seized power in Kiev.
Someones bought into a lot of the propaganda nonsense coming out of Moscow, eh? (P.S. - Nationalist doesn't = evil, nor does it mean racist, genocidal, etc. etc. etc.)
You can't deny there are fascist elements among those who seized power in Kiev.
There's a fascist element in power in Moscow. Difference is it's being a lot more active in pushing forward policies than any one that exists in Kiev.
I assume you mean Zhirinovsky and his Liberal Democratic party? Well, they are fascists for sure, barely any better than Svoboda or Pravy Sektor, but unlike those, they have little real influence in Russian policy despite being in parliament, because no other party really takes them seriously.
More like the government that has sought to oppress and discriminate against minorities. So, Putin.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2014/07/22 15:49:39
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
chaos0xomega wrote: The billboard need not be in Krasnoarmeysk however. I have billboards in my town for car dealerships that are 15-20 miles away...
15-20 miles, sure, but Krasnoarmeysk is about 170 km away from the nearest border crossing, 66 km away from Donetsk and over 120 km away from the crash site. It makes no sense to advertise for a car dealer over such distances.
But so are the fascists and nationalists who seized power in Kiev.
Someones bought into a lot of the propaganda nonsense coming out of Moscow, eh? (P.S. - Nationalist doesn't = evil, nor does it mean racist, genocidal, etc. etc. etc.)
You can't deny there are fascist elements among those who seized power in Kiev.
There's a fascist element in power in Moscow. Difference is it's being a lot more active in pushing forward policies than any one that exists in Kiev.
I assume you mean Zhirinovsky and his Liberal Democratic party?
Well, they are fascists for sure, barely any better than Svoboda or Pravy Sektor, but unlike those, they have little real influence in Russian policy despite being in parliament, because no other party really takes them seriously.
More like the government that has sought to oppress and discriminate against minorities. So, Putin.
In that case, you should probably look up the definition of "fascist".
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2014/07/22 16:20:39
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.
I've been a member of this forum for years and I can honestly say this is the most embarrassingly thread DakkaDakka has ever hosted and that's saying a lot.
2014/07/22 18:03:24
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
KamikazeCanuck wrote: I've been a member of this forum for years and I can honestly say this is the most embarrassingly thread DakkaDakka has ever hosted and that's saying a lot.
Someone must have missed that thread about how us western types are racist for cosplaying anime characters
KamikazeCanuck wrote: I've been a member of this forum for years and I can honestly say this is the most embarrassingly thread DakkaDakka has ever hosted and that's saying a lot.
Whats so embarrassing about it?
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
2014/07/22 21:05:32
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.
I would disagree with you, even based on this very limited definition of fascism:
-Veneration of the state. Far from present in Russia. Russians venerate their nation, but the state is as often mistrusted, mocked and loathed as it is admired and praised. Neither does the state try to get the people to venerate it. In the US, children are forced to salute the flag and make a pledge of allegiance. Now that is an example of state veneration you wouldn't find in Russia. The thing that comes closest to state veneration it is that some classrooms may have a portrait of either Lenin or the current president over the blackboard.
-Devotion to a strong leader A difficult one. While despite my earlier joke I would not call Russia's admiration for Putin a devotion yet, it is true that the Russians have always desired and looked towards strong leaders. Russia is a hard country with difficult people, it needs a strong leader to not descend into chaos. To me, that is not fascism.
-emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism Russia is a very chauvinistic country, but ultranationalistic tendencies are generally repressed and do not have any notable influence. There absolutely isn't an emphasis on it. Militarism is different, Russia has always been a very militaristic society. This is something that was born out of neccessity, as Russia, in its long history at the borders of Europe, has always been under threat from either the East or the West. This constant need for defence is something that has become part of and shaped the Russian national character. Again, I see it as different from the militarism you see in fascist states.
-Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation Putin seems to be an adherent of realpolitik. That is different from fascism. So far, Putin has employed remarkably little violence and war combined to other world leaders from past and present. Even Obama has waged more wars and employed more violence than Putin so far. And I would not call Obama a fascist.
and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations. Touché, but imperialism does not make fascism.
Overall, I would say that Putin's Russia is slightly authoritarian, nationalistic and imperialist, but not so radical as to be fascist.
Besides that, most Russians would get incredibly mad at being called fascist. The Soviet Union, of which Russia was the most important part, lost 22 million lives in the fight against fascism. With so much Russian blood spilled, most Russians consider it the sacred duty of their people to fight fascism in all its incarnations, no matter where it appears. Calling Russia fascist is a grave insult, for there are few nations that have suffered so much because of fascism.
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2014/07/22 21:11:04
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
KamikazeCanuck wrote: I've been a member of this forum for years and I can honestly say this is the most embarrassingly thread DakkaDakka has ever hosted and that's saying a lot.
Someone must have missed that thread about how us western types are racist for cosplaying anime characters
Good times that one
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Except that Russia itself during World War 2 was basically a fascist state.
Veneration of the State: For the Motherland etc.
Devotion to a strong leader: Cult of Stalin
Ultranationalism and Militarism: Yup.
Political Violence, War, Imperialism as a means of rejuvenation: Check, check and check.
Not an insult to the millions of Russians who died on the Eastern front. They did a huge service to the world.
It's just a shame that Stalin was in power when it happened and that he took World War 2 as an opportunity to annex pretty much the whole of Eastern Europe.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2014/07/22 21:57:18
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Veneration of the State: For the Motherland etc.
Devotion to a strong leader: Cult of Stalin
Ultranationalism and Militarism: Yup.
Political Violence, War, Imperialism as a means of rejuvenation: Check, check and check.
Not an insult to the millions of Russians who died on the Eastern front. They did a huge service to the world.
It's just a shame that Stalin was in power when it happened and that he took World War 2 as an opportunity to annex pretty much the whole of Eastern Europe.
It was a totalitarian state. Not a fascist state. And stalin was hated by some and feared by others. nobody was devoted to him, devoted to Russia maybe.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2014/07/22 21:57:20
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
