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2014/08/02 19:00:53
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
And hopefully you now realise not to trust anything loki links without researching it for yourself.*
His agenda is -very- biased and clear, and you don't want to be associating with that ilk if you want to be taken at all seriously.
*should be the case already after the infowars crap from several pages back
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/08/02 19:04:54
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
MrDwhitey wrote: Trust me, you ain't in my dreams. But at the very least you've shown yourself to be completely untrustworthy and happy to peddle pathetic propaganda, so hopefully in future no-one will bother listening to you.
I mean, they shouldn't after the infowars crap, but this should cement that.
Enjoy!
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2014/08/02 19:06:07
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Dude, I'm not the one who has repeatedly been publicly fethed for posting bs here.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/08/02 19:37:11
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Well thank feth for that, its a relief to know that a Ukrainian governor is not the lunatic the video implied him to be.
The guy in this video is not the governor of Kherson, I don't know who he is.
The governor of Kherson is a lunatic however, just look up his infamous Victory Day speech in which he praises Hitler.
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MrDwhitey wrote: And hopefully you now realise not to trust anything loki links without researching it for yourself.*
His agenda is -very- biased and clear, and you don't want to be associating with that ilk if you want to be taken at all seriously.
*should be the case already after the infowars crap from several pages back
I am sorry Whitey, but you are hardly unbiased yourself
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2014/08/02 19:39:22
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Well thank feth for that, its a relief to know that a Ukrainian governor is not the lunatic the video implied him to be.
The guy in this video is not the governor of Kherson, I don't know who he is.
The governor of Kherson is a lunatic however, just look up his infamous Victory Day speech in which he praises Hitler.
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MrDwhitey wrote: And hopefully you now realise not to trust anything loki links without researching it for yourself.*
His agenda is -very- biased and clear, and you don't want to be associating with that ilk if you want to be taken at all seriously.
*should be the case already after the infowars crap from several pages back
I am sorry Whitey, but you are hardly unbiased yourself
That's rich coming from you.
2014/08/02 19:44:34
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Well thank feth for that, its a relief to know that a Ukrainian governor is not the lunatic the video implied him to be.
The guy in this video is not the governor of Kherson, I don't know who he is.
The governor of Kherson is a lunatic however, just look up his infamous Victory Day speech in which he praises Hitler.
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MrDwhitey wrote: And hopefully you now realise not to trust anything loki links without researching it for yourself.*
His agenda is -very- biased and clear, and you don't want to be associating with that ilk if you want to be taken at all seriously.
*should be the case already after the infowars crap from several pages back
I am sorry Whitey, but you are hardly unbiased yourself
That's rich coming from you.
I know right? I love being a hypocrite
As for the guy in the video, he can excuse whatever he want, but what was said is what was said, and he did say there are 1.5 million 'undesirables' in Donbass that should be killed. No twisting of words there.
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2014/08/02 19:45:34
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
I am sorry Whitey, but you are hardly unbiased yourself
Of course I'm biased. Everyone alive is biased. I'm not trying to push a nutjob agenda with stuff so fake the bias is leaking onto everyone like ectoplasmic goop.
Frankly if I told you what I wanted, you wouldn't believe me.
For feths sake watch the full video where he did not fething say that at all, and notice the quite obvious cuts in the short video to make it look like he did. It's like you ignored the past bunch of posts, and then you come here and lay accusations of bias. It's amazing.
As for the governor's victory day speech, his mistake was mentioning anything that could be misinterpreted.
“We are remembering how people fought against aggressors who were trying to conquer our land. These aggressors motivated their actions not only by the desire and not so much by the desire to seize foreign territories and to enslave people. They also advanced slogans about alleged liberation of nations, peoples living on the land, which Hitler was going to capture. If you watch… read history materials, nowadays there are lots of TV programs about this, we can see that above all he advanced slogans of people liberation from the tyranny of Stalin (noise starts among the audience), liberation from other things. It was the primary motive for Hitler. An advance on the sovereign state, when he was trying to conquer territories. But the people willing to defend their homeland united. They stood together to defend their homeland, threw back the aggressor to the lands, and showed that people were able to win back and they would be winning back their territory. Nowadays the same thing is happening on the borders of Ukraine. Nowadays aggressor is standing there, where with the help of slogans about alleged removal… of alleged oppressions… they are trying to carry out aggression on the territory. My friends, we all stand for…”
It actually looks like he is condemning Putin for slogans of "liberating" the "Russians" in Crimea. Now if his comparison is apt or not, I'm not going to say because I don't know.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/08/02 19:54:26
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
I am sorry Whitey, but you are hardly unbiased yourself
Of course I'm biased. Everyone alive is biased. I'm not trying to push a nutjob agenda with stuff so fake the bias is leaking onto everyone like ectoplasmic goop.
Frankly if I told you what I wanted, you wouldn't believe me.
For feths sake watch the full video where he did not fething say that at all, and notice the quite obvious cuts in the short video to make it look like he did. It's like you ignored the past bunch of posts, and then you come here and lay accusations of bias. It's amazing.
As for his victory day speech, his mistake was mentioning anything that could be misinterpreted.
I am stuck in the Slovenian mountains, I have better things to do than watch a 30 minute interview with some nutjob to see what exactly he said or not. It doesn't really matter, the existence of fascist and ultranationalist elements among the people currently in power in Kiev has already been thoroughly proven.
As to the governor of Kherson's Victory Day speech, he made a lot more mistakes than just making ambiguous statements.
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2014/08/02 19:58:27
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
"I have better things to do than see a video show I was wrong".
Fair enough. I'm not denying that Kiev itself has a problem, but we don't need bs like this made up crap being perpetuated by you or Loki to further cloud an already gak issue.
And yes, he made the mistake of pointing out Stalinist Russia was bad and comparing Nazi Germany's overtures of "liberation" with Russia and Crimea, whilst in front of a bunch of people waving hammer and sickle flags, who promptly booed him repeatedly and then took his microphones.
It's amazing how that event changes when you realise the context, isn't it? It's no longer "Governor praises hitler and woman with baby takes his microphone", it's "Governor compares the fake "liberator" spiel of Nazi Germany with the claims of liberation by Russia, whilst calling Stalin a tyrant, and is booed from the stage by people waving hammer and sickle flags".
Also, why the hell are you in the Slovenian mountains?
Edit: I'm also realising that you'd just laugh at my naiveté if you knew my agenda.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/08/02 20:07:42
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
MrDwhitey wrote: "I have better things to do than see a video show I was wrong".
Fair enough.
And yes, he made the mistake of pointing out Stalinist Russia was bad, whilst in front of a bunch of people waving hammer and sickle flags, who promptly booed him repeatedly and then took his microphones.
It's amazing how that event changes when you realise the context, isn't it? It's no longer "Governor praises hitler and woman with baby takes his microphone", it's "Governor compares the fake "liberator" spiel of Nazi Germany with the claims of liberation by Russia, whilst calling Stalin a tyrant, and is booed from the stage by pro-communist protestors".
Maybe you should quote his entire speech? It was not so much a speech, but more of a rant against the evil Soviet Union/Russia and Stalin/Putin. And to be fair, he did in fact praise Hitler as a liberator of Ukraine from the communist yoke, the exact words can be interpreten two ways; Either Hitler or Stalin was the false liberator. Actually kinda clever of him, to phrase it like that.
Of course, his biggest mistake was slandering the Red Army on a day that is supposed to be all about praising the Red Army. Also, a governor should refrain from such statements.
Also, why the hell are you in the Slovenian mountains?
Edit: I'm also realising that you'd just laugh at my naiveté if you knew my agenda.
Because I couldn't get into Croatia. Border security is too tight and my ID card is invalid Not that I mind. Slovenia is awesome. I would stay here if I could, it was just that I had business being in Croatia. Anyways, I'll probably hang around Slovenia some more before heading back to those overcrowded below sea level flatlands that are called the Netherlands.
Also, you have a agenda?
Oooh, sounds mysterious, like you are secret agent or something. What is it?
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2014/08/02 20:15:16
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
He did not praise Hitler, he was basically saying that Hitler was a liar who used the front of "liberation" to invade and take, and was comparing this to Putin. The basic thing that has been lied/twisted/whatever is that he praised Hitler, he did not.
As for slandering the Red Army, where did he do that? I know he called Stalin a tyrant, all quotes of the speech I can find don't show slandering of the red army. Edit: I can actually see now re-reading some where this could be the case. Yes, he should not have called the Soviet troops out, he should've kept it to Governments.
"Business being in Croatia" now who is being mysterious.
Everyone has an agenda.
Some are just more ludicrous than others!
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/08/02 20:17:21
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
MrDwhitey wrote: He did not praise Hitler, he was basically saying that Hitler was a liar who used the front of "liberation" to invade and take.
The basic thing that has been lied/twisted/whatever is that he praised Hitler, he did not.
As for slandering the Red Army, where did he do that? I know he called Stalin a tyrant.
At several points, I have limited Internet capabilities here, but you may be able to find a full translation of the speech somewhere. It really should be read in Ukrainian though, a lot of the things people got angry about depend on the exact phrasing that can be interpreted both ways, as with the Stalin/Hitler thing. It was either Stalin or Hitler who was the false liberator in his speech, and a lot of people interpreted it like he was slandering Stalin and praising Hitler, probably because most of what he said bordered on that. It was a really cleverly designed speech. He could slander Stalin, the USSR, Putin and Russia all at once while deining it at the same time. Of course it is also possible that he genuinely aimed his speech at Hitler, but for some reason I doubt it.
Of course, this whole discussion is basically pointless. Both sides will only see their own truth anyways.
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2014/08/02 20:26:45
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Whip that limited internet faster! You're certainly right though on the translations. I think a lot of nuances are being lost during the translation and you could be right that he fethed up big time with his speech. I've been watching a lot of Ukraine videos and stuff lately, and the translations are well.. sometimes amusing.
I prefer Truth with a T.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/08/02 20:28:13
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
MrDwhitey wrote: He did not praise Hitler, he was basically saying that Hitler was a liar who used the front of "liberation" to invade and take, and was comparing this to Putin. The basic thing that has been lied/twisted/whatever is that he praised Hitler, he did not.
As for slandering the Red Army, where did he do that? I know he called Stalin a tyrant, all quotes of the speech I can find don't show slandering of the red army. Edit: I can actually see now re-reading some where this could be the case. Yes, he should not have called the Soviet troops out, he should've kept it to Governments.
"Business being in Croatia" now who is being mysterious.
Everyone has an agenda.
Some are just more ludicrous than others!
So what is yours?
For my part, I am actually glad I didnt get into Croatia. Zadar is like a drowned city now form what I've heard.
As for my business in Croatia, I have some friends there who I had hoped to meet. Now I have made new friends in Slovenia instead.
Half of the 72nd BDE made their way into Russia it seems....484 of them is seems
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2014/08/15 17:07:43
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Ukraine crisis: BBC finds Russian aid trucks 'almost empty'
15 August 2014 Last updated at 15:08 BST
A convoy of Russian trucks carrying aid for eastern Ukraine has been opened up to journalists at the border.
The Ukrainian government had insisted that inspectors checked the trucks' cargo, amid fears that they could be carrying military supplies for the rebels - an accusation Russia has rejected.
The BBC's Steve Rosenberg noted that many of the trucks were "almost empty".
Dry run for the Trojan Horse?
Heh... EU officials telling Russia to knock it off:
#BREAKING EU ministers urge Russia to put 'immediate stop' to border hostilities
— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) August 15, 2014
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2014/08/20 15:42:02
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Oh please, Iron_Captain... you should know better than to post anything by RT here. They aren't an unbiased source!
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2014/08/20 17:38:56
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
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