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2015/12/15 05:33:37
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
It's been known to happen in the US in the past too.
These things happen
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2015/12/15 09:53:25
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
And that wasn't even the first time. There was a lesser known confrontation in the first Congress where another senator attempted to beat a fellow with his cane!
And if I am not mistaken, those are the same leaders that plunged the US into a civil war...
And even then, it was just one guy beating the other, not an entire parliament that turns into a fighting arena.
Vaktathi wrote:Fights amongst elected officials sn't unique to Ukraine, it's happened to many countries over even the last couple of years.
Italy IIRC has had a couple of actual brawls in their parliament over the last 4 or 5 years.
It's been known to happen in the US in the past too.
These things happen
Sure, may happen in other countries, but in Ukraine it happens more often than all those other countries combined. It also pretty much only happens in countries where things are gak.
In any case, no matter the country, politicians that start fighting each other are not fit to be in parliament. If political leaders can't keep their cool, how can their followers?
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2015/12/15 15:29:48
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
And if I am not mistaken, those are the same leaders that plunged the US into a civil war...
Senator Brooks I believe died before the war began, and Senator Douglas, a man who dedicated most of his career to trying to prevent a schism over the issue of Slavery, died a year into it after spending his final years rallying Northern Democrats to the Union cause.
But the incident of beating Senator Summer is typically considered a hallmark of the beak down of relationships between the Northern and Southern states that would lead to the Civil War
"We never said there were no people there who were carrying out certain tasks," Putin said during his annual end-of-year news conference in Moscow.
Putin said Russia had no regular troop presence in eastern Ukraine but, in response to a question about Russian servicemen detained and injured in the fighting, he admitted that "certain matters, including in the military area" were being performed. He did not elaborate.
"We never said there were no people there who were carrying out certain tasks," Putin said during his annual end-of-year news conference in Moscow.
Putin said Russia had no regular troop presence in eastern Ukraine but, in response to a question about Russian servicemen detained and injured in the fighting, he admitted that "certain matters, including in the military area" were being performed. He did not elaborate.
Stage 5 of that one Polandball skit by my reckoning.
Well, that is exactly what I have been saying from the beginning. Russia has no regular troops in Ukraine, but there are special forces operating there. And of course plenty of Russians on holiday. Donbass is very popular tourist destination.
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2015/12/28 06:43:13
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Whilst glazing over the latest spat of crying about Neo-Nazis in Ukraine by the media, here's a video courtesy of Azov on current events. =P
Though on that topic it has been brought up that oddly the Russian Neo-Nazis support the Ukrainian ones. I guess whilst both sides are Nationalists, the Russians are seeing the whole war as being positive for their cause (as in political rather than national). Considering that the Ukrainians put a Neo-Nazi in charge of their police force they may be onto something there - though personally I think both side's government's are just taking what they can get in terms of support. ...Ignoring Putin's own obvious Fascist leanings.
2016/01/05 00:23:02
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
What is weird in the picture of two armed en men making soup?
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2016/01/06 12:42:24
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
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2016/01/06 16:29:02
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
konst80hummel wrote: What is weird in the picture of two armed en men making soup?
Their jihadist headbands?
I also wonder where they got those weapons... It looks a whole lot better than the old Soviet stuff the seperatists and the Ukr army have to make do with.
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2016/01/06 17:48:19
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Two guys, probably Chechens, one wearing a mix of Azov (white supremacist/ Neo-nazi) and ISIS (Jihadists) regalia, the other in ISIS garb. Its not exactly something of note given the recent turn in events in Ukraine with the Ukrainians being sent "volunteers" and supplies from the Middle East (the Turks for instace, and as above, ISIS is pushing in fighters and have been supporting the Chechens since last year), but its an odd image nonetheless.
The gun's are probably either privately owned or traded through umpteen black markets. Azov have a pretty large supply chain, both going through stuff traded with their own government (which is sourced from the West and sits in warehouses waiting to be sold off the books), through sympathizers in Russia/ Chechnya and now from anti-Russian aligned countries and organisations in the Middle East. Looking at the gun behind the guy on the left that looks like the civilian version of the G36, so I'm inclined to think it was sourced within Europe legitimately. If it were from ISIS then it'd be the military version, as those guys have been capturing/ buying a crap ton of Western guns (bearing in mind that they're backed by more than a few governments too).
Coca-Cola upsets first Russia then Ukraine with New Year greeting
Warring neighbours furious at drink giant's maps depicting the disputed territory of Crimea
Coca-Cola's controversial map of Russia, including Crimea, with its new year greeting Photo: Coca-Cola
Rob Crilly By Rob Crilly, New York, and agencies11:19PM GMT 05 Jan 2016
It probably seemed a good idea at the time: A jaunty winter map in red and white to wish consumers a happy new year from Coca-Cola.
But the soft drink giant has managed to enfuriate people in two markets, Russia and Ukraine, over the depiction of the disputed territory of Crimea.
The Ukrainian Black Sea peninunsula was occupied by rebels loyal to Moscow in March 2014, triggering a conflict that has killed at least 9000 people.
So Russians were not impressed when Coca-Cola published a map of Russia - with the greeting “Celebrate winter holidays from Moscow to Vladivostok” - that did not include Crimea.
Users of VK, the most popular social media network in Russia, fizzed with anger, furious at what they described as an incomplete map.
Simple, thought Coca-Cola. The map was promptly removed and replaced with an apology and a new map.
“We apologise. The map has been corrected. Hope for understanding,” the company wrote.
The correction included adding in Crimea as well as the Kuril Islands (seized from Japan in 1945 and still disputed)
In a New Year's message on VK, the most popular Russian social media network, Coca-Cola published a map of Russia that did not include Crimea.
Cue a predictable response in Ukraine, where calls for a boycott
By Tuesday evening, the second map had been deleted as well.
"Dear friends! Thank you for your attention. It has been decided to delete the item which caused the upset," Coca-Cola's Ukrainian subsidiary said on Facebook, according to AFP.
• Ukraine bans Russian foods as trade war escalates
Coca-Cola headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia, issued a statement apologising.
"The Coca-Cola Russia team had a stylised map of Russia created as part of its Christmas campaign. The agency that created the map later made changes without our knowledge or approval," the company said.
"We, as a company, do not take political positions unrelated to our business, and we apologize for the post, which we have removed."
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2016/01/06 23:58:42
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
konst80hummel wrote: What is weird in the picture of two armed en men making soup?
They're too clean for the environment. This is a staged photoshoot. Look at the man in black. He's not nearly dusty enough to have been in this building more than a few seconds.
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2016/01/07 00:00:41
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
You'd think they'd at least have them roll around on the ground a little or something if you're gonna shoot in this much plaster/concrete dust. I think that hookah sticking up tells the real story.
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2016/01/07 00:40:14
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Could be.
The other explanation would be that they are Chechen islamists that got away from the Kadyrovtsy and decided to go to Ukraine rather than Syria. It seems strange that they then would join Azov batallion, however.
But for soldiers, their clothes are very clean. Either they just arrived on the front or they put on clean clothes for the picture. I would also question the fact that they seem to be sitting in an empty, abandoned building. You'd think they'd pick something more suitable as their base? Also, something about that BTR just feels off. What is it doing there?
Still puzzled about the guns though. Whether in Russia or Ukraine, they sure as hell did not get them openly through legal means. Such weapons, both military and civilian models, are banned. Armed BTRs even more so. That is what gives me the biggest doubt in this. If they are Russian nationalists trying to place the Ukrs in a bad daylight or something like that, than where the hell did they get an armed BTR? It is not something people just have standing around in their garages or something you can easily get on the black market. And driving it somewhere for a photoshoot? People are going to notice armoured vehicles driving around...
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2016/01/07 18:31:07
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
The Ukrainian government is handing out obsolete hardware to militia groups like candy (strictly under lease). The Azov guys aren't official supplied by the Ukrainian government, so instead get their BTRs off the books (they were being supplied early in the war IIRC) or capture them. So seeing a random groups with a BTR isn't an odd sight, though most of the Azov ones tend to be covered in a hell of a lot more Ukrainian flags and Swastikas (though I'm guessing those are added after they come out of the factory, as the ones there don't have any icons from what I've seen). The big white line down the front does mark it as Ukrainian, even if nowadays the number of those lines doesn't seem to respect any regional group like they used to. It too looks a bit clean, ignoring the insignia, it could do with a ton of stowage.
2016/01/07 18:36:30
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Could be.
The other explanation would be that they are Chechen islamists that got away from the Kadyrovtsy and decided to go to Ukraine rather than Syria. It seems strange that they then would join Azov batallion, however.
But for soldiers, their clothes are very clean. Either they just arrived on the front or they put on clean clothes for the picture. I would also question the fact that they seem to be sitting in an empty, abandoned building. You'd think they'd pick something more suitable as their base? Also, something about that BTR just feels off. What is it doing there?
Still puzzled about the guns though. Whether in Russia or Ukraine, they sure as hell did not get them openly through legal means. Such weapons, both military and civilian models, are banned. Armed BTRs even more so. That is what gives me the biggest doubt in this. If they are Russian nationalists trying to place the Ukrs in a bad daylight or something like that, than where the hell did they get an armed BTR? It is not something people just have standing around in their garages or something you can easily get on the black market. And driving it somewhere for a photoshoot? People are going to notice armoured vehicles driving around...
Its almost like when the soviet union collapsed and massive amounts of military hardware went missing, I guess it couldn't have gotten into the hands of russian ultras at all no sir.
And in Ukraine, a country which economy was literally based around being the Soviet Union's military hardware junkyard... The Ukrainians have so many rusting T-60s laying about that they can refurb 10 taken from the scrap heaps and refurb them for the cost of modernizing an existing tank.
2016/01/07 20:13:47
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Wyrmalla wrote: Whilst glazing over the latest spat of crying about Neo-Nazis in Ukraine by the media, here's a video courtesy of Azov on current events. =P
Can't... read... Cyrillic...
2016/01/07 21:34:32
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
The Ukrainian government is handing out obsolete hardware to militia groups like candy (strictly under lease). The Azov guys aren't official supplied by the Ukrainian government, so instead get their BTRs off the books (they were being supplied early in the war IIRC) or capture them. So seeing a random groups with a BTR isn't an odd sight, though most of the Azov ones tend to be covered in a hell of a lot more Ukrainian flags and Swastikas (though I'm guessing those are added after they come out of the factory, as the ones there don't have any icons from what I've seen). The big white line down the front does mark it as Ukrainian, even if nowadays the number of those lines doesn't seem to respect any regional group like they used to. It too looks a bit clean, ignoring the insignia, it could do with a ton of stowage.
Yes, it also needs some weathering and a bit of thinned down paint that to simulate mud and dirt. I would also reccommend a wash with nuln oil and highlighting with a lighter shade of green. That would bring out the definition a bit more. Currently, it is a pretty nice paintjob, but a little flat and clean.
But yeah, for Ukraine it makes sense. Ukraine is full of weapons rusting away everywhere you look, and there is little effective government control over it (or anything in Ukraine for that matter). Russia is very different though, with very strict government control over nearly everything. That is the thing puzzling me. If this is in Russia, than where did they get that BTR? Ergo, it makes more sense that whether real or fake, these pictures are more likely to come from Ukraine. Maybe a trick by DNR or LNR guys.
Could be. The other explanation would be that they are Chechen islamists that got away from the Kadyrovtsy and decided to go to Ukraine rather than Syria. It seems strange that they then would join Azov batallion, however. But for soldiers, their clothes are very clean. Either they just arrived on the front or they put on clean clothes for the picture. I would also question the fact that they seem to be sitting in an empty, abandoned building. You'd think they'd pick something more suitable as their base? Also, something about that BTR just feels off. What is it doing there? Still puzzled about the guns though. Whether in Russia or Ukraine, they sure as hell did not get them openly through legal means. Such weapons, both military and civilian models, are banned. Armed BTRs even more so. That is what gives me the biggest doubt in this. If they are Russian nationalists trying to place the Ukrs in a bad daylight or something like that, than where the hell did they get an armed BTR? It is not something people just have standing around in their garages or something you can easily get on the black market. And driving it somewhere for a photoshoot? People are going to notice armoured vehicles driving around...
Its almost like when the soviet union collapsed and massive amounts of military hardware went missing, I guess it couldn't have gotten into the hands of russian ultras at all no sir.
No. That could not have happened. It is not the 90's anymore and weapons are actually quite rare in modern Russia, much less tanks like a BTR. Even if some really wealthy ultranationalist group somehow managed to get their hands on one during the 90's, it would have been noticed and confiscated by now. It is not like those kind of groups can run around doing crazy stuff, ultranationalists are very closely watched by the secret services.
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Wyrmalla wrote: Whilst glazing over the latest spat of crying about Neo-Nazis in Ukraine by the media, here's a video courtesy of Azov on current events. =P
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2016/01/07 22:06:00
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
/quote] Yes, it also needs some weathering and a bit of thinned down paint that to simulate mud and dirt. I would also reccommend a wash with nuln oil and highlighting with a lighter shade of green. That would bring out the definition a bit more. Currently, it is a pretty nice paintjob, but a little flat and clean.
It might not be. The standard way to demil something like that is to cut the receiver, which you wouldn't see from outside. The front end has had welding done to it, that was painted over with a spray can. Possible demilling of the armor then too.
Without a close up of the BTR I can't be sure, but as bad as the green spray is, that line is VERY neat. It almost looks like tape.
As far as where the pictures could be taken, Serbia was the first thing to come to mind, actually.
Wyrmalla wrote: They apparently felt like painting a BTR in Ukrainian colours as well.
Ah the internet.
What's funny is he's wearing a British DPM camo pattern. The only guy in Ukrainian gear is the man with the azov patch at top, who's wearing Butane pattern camo. BTR was driven in slowly, too, only dust on the tops of the ridge.
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2016/01/07 23:25:04
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Wyrmalla wrote: Ex-British DPM Camo is about the most common uniform worn in Ukraine. No, seriously.
Actually Butane is most common since it was dumped on the open markets in every single surrounding country. The Ukraine still uses it not because they have not replaced it, but simply because they have so much of it.
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