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2016/01/08 01:46:02
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
/quote] Yes, it also needs some weathering and a bit of thinned down paint that to simulate mud and dirt. I would also reccommend a wash with nuln oil and highlighting with a lighter shade of green. That would bring out the definition a bit more. Currently, it is a pretty nice paintjob, but a little flat and clean.
It might not be. The standard way to demil something like that is to cut the receiver, which you wouldn't see from outside. The front end has had welding done to it, that was painted over with a spray can. Possible demilling of the armor then too.
Without a close up of the BTR I can't be sure, but as bad as the green spray is, that line is VERY neat. It almost looks like tape.
As far as where the pictures could be taken, Serbia was the first thing to come to mind, actually.
Don't you think they'd remove the entire gun from the turret? Most of BTRs I have seen for sale had the guns removed. Otherwise how do you see the vehicle is no longer dangerous?
And Serbia? That is possible of course, but what makes you think of Serbia?
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2016/01/08 01:59:53
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
That would be a weird typo. And baron is not the kind of person who confuses Siberia with Serbia, I think.
Breotan wrote:
Iron_Captain wrote: Don't you think they'd remove the entire gun from the turret? Most of BTRs I have seen for sale had the guns removed.
How difficult would it be for a militia type in that part of the world to get ahold of the parts to put the gun back in?
It depends on what part "that part" of the world is. In Ukraine? Easy as getting a hamburger at McDonalds (even easier in some parts). In Russia, it would be quite hard, altough It would be a good way to get yourself a state-sponsored holiday in Siberia. Russia has very strictly enforced gun control laws, only hunting rifles are allowed with a hard to get license that has to be renewed every 5 years.
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2016/01/08 04:08:28
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
I learned two things watching Nicholas Cage in Lord of War;
1. National Treasure was a fluke after all
2. Ukraine really does have a lot of old Soviet military hardware just laying around, and people found ways to get rich off of it
LordofHats wrote: I learned two things watching Nicholas Cage in Lord of War;
1. National Treasure was a fluke after all
2. Ukraine really does have a lot of old Soviet military hardware just laying around, and people found ways to get rich off of it
3. He likes to punch women when dressed up as a bear. An allegory for russia invading Ukraine
Did that happen in Lord of War? I remember that movie being boring beyond belief and unmemorable and Nick Cage dressing up as a bear and punching women sounds kind of memorable
LordofHats wrote: Did that happen in Lord of War? I remember that movie being boring beyond belief and unmemorable and Nick Cage dressing up as a bear and punching women sounds kind of memorable
No its from that terrible wicker man remake he did 8 years ago or so. But I couldn't pass up the chance to make that allegory
LordofHats wrote: Did that happen in Lord of War? I remember that movie being boring beyond belief and unmemorable and Nick Cage dressing up as a bear and punching women sounds kind of memorable
No its from that terrible wicker man remake he did 8 years ago or so. But I couldn't pass up the chance to make that allegory
The allegory is lost on us probably because none of us saw that movie.
2016/01/08 06:44:19
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
LordofHats wrote: Did that happen in Lord of War? I remember that movie being boring beyond belief and unmemorable and Nick Cage dressing up as a bear and punching women sounds kind of memorable
No its from that terrible wicker man remake he did 8 years ago or so. But I couldn't pass up the chance to make that allegory
The allegory is lost on us probably because none of us saw that movie.
It was a box office juggernaut with a mighty 38.8 million to its name, were you living under a rock?
Don't you think they'd remove the entire gun from the turret? Most of BTRs I have seen for sale had the guns removed. Otherwise how do you see the vehicle is no longer dangerous?
And Serbia? That is possible of course, but what makes you think of Serbia?
Most of the one's I've seen for sale out of Europe were just demilled by taking a cutting torch to the receiver. It's the fastest way to clear them for export, particularly if your market is collectors or military enthusiasts who want a 'real' armored vehicle. In Europe, usually you'd see the holes they cut in the vehicle hull, if it's demilled for a European buyer there's usually a square hole every so often to 'destroy' it's armor, but he's standing in front of most of the hull, so it's hard to say.
I thought Serbia because that's the one place I can think of where a regular joe could in theory get all this stuff on the market fairly easily that's also heavily involved in the Ukraine on Russia's side. A lot of BTR 60s are still coming out of Serbia and Czechoslovakia on the export market.
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2016/01/11 01:00:32
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
As Russia begins the New Year, two recent events - an inability to pay salaries and a new law on currency exchanges - show the country is hurtling rapidly back to the future. Fiona Clark sees troubled times ahead.
Ruble bills are handed through a window frill
On Christmas Eve we couldn't get a taxi using any of the usual apps, so we decided to hitch home after dinner. That's not such an unusual practice in Russia, in fact since Soviet times it's been an accepted way for people to subsidize their incomes by picking up strangers and charging them a small fee to drop them wherever they want. Foreigners call them "gypsy cabs."
The man who picked us up was very pleased to finally get a fare. "You're the first people to put your hands out for ages. No one puts their hands out anymore," he said, lamenting the effect of the taxi apps that are killing the ordinary man's revenue supply. "I used to make 5,000 rubles (62 euros; $68) a night doing this, now I'm lucky if I make 2,000 a week." Then he went on to explain why he needed the money.
His son is a captain in the fire brigade. His salary was 60,000 rubles a month but he had told his father that the ministry in charge of the emergency services had just announced to its employees that their salaries would be slashed to 15,000 a month - around 190 euros.
In February the government announced its members would take a 10-percent cut from their 250,000 ruble a month pay packets, but this goes far beyond that.
"I'm so mad I just want to punch the minister in the face," the driver said, wondering how on earth his family would survive.
Tough times
On hearing this we rang a friend who works for the fire department, albeit at a lower rank. His story was worse. He hadn't been paid for December. He won't be paid in January and said he'd be lucky if he was paid in February - and if he is, it won't be at his usual rate.
The reason the men at his brigade were given for the lack of payment was that Crimea was costing the country too much and cuts had to be made to help. The catchcry of "our Crimea" or "Krim Nash" that was so popular after Russia's annexation of the peninsula in March 2014 wasn't ringing happily in his ears. To add insult to injury, the employees' passports had been confiscated as they are considered to be part of the country's defense forces and as such can't leave the country in these difficult times, he was told.
Fire fighters try to put out a Moscow fire
Doing their patriotic duty
News agency Interfax has reported incidents of wages being withheld to emergency services in other regions of Russia as well, and cited the country's economic difficulties as the reason. It also said the servicemen were told budget reallocations were expected to resolve the situation in the new year.
It's been quite some time since Russia hasn't been able to pay the salaries of its government employees. The last two times in recent history were after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990 and again during the financial crisis of the late 1990s. It was the 1998 economic crisis - when the ruble lost a third of its value and inflation was running at 300 percent - that finally destroyed the popularity of Russia's first post-Soviet and democratically elected president, Boris Yeltsin.
Inflation is nowhere near that at the moment, hovering in the mid-teens, but the ruble has lost 50 percent of its value against the dollar and the pound, and with the price of oil dipping below the $40 a barrel mark, that's unlikely to change.
Clearly the government is worried that what little money is left in the country will disappear. Between 2014 and 2015 - as the economic crisis started to bite - there was capital flight estimated to be worth around $151 billion. A few months back staff at airports actively started asking if passengers were carrying cash out of the country since amounts above $10,000 must be declared. The last time they asked me, my reply was simple: "Unfortunately not," but the border guard said I'd be surprised how many people were carrying bags of cash in their hand luggage.
Currency checks
Last week legislation came into effect that says banks must ask people exchanging more than 15,000 rubles for foreign currency where they got the money from and collect their passport details and tax numbers. The government is clearly extending its crackdown on corporate tax evasion to individuals. But the reaction from people on local radio stations was that this move will only serve to fuel the rise of the black market again.
A stack of ruble notes
Safest under the mattress?
Russians don't trust banks. They've seen them collapse too often, taking their savings with them, so they keep their money in their mattresses, so to speak. They are unlikely to take kindly to having to provide an explanation as to how they came up with the equivalent of about 200 euros.
So far veterans and military personnel I've spoken to haven't been affected by pay or pension cuts, but the inability to pay emergency services and the crackdown on small money exchanges does not send good signals about the strength of the economy and the state of the government's coffers.
2016 may well become Russia's annus horribilis: All the signs suggest the country's economic roller-coaster history will repeat itself.
2016/01/11 02:41:49
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Wyrmalla wrote: Meanwhile in Russia... That's what four ongoing wars and international sanctions right? There's always the Chinese to bail them out I guess.
As Russia begins the New Year, two recent events - an inability to pay salaries and a new law on currency exchanges - show the country is hurtling rapidly back to the future. Fiona Clark sees troubled times ahead.
Ruble bills are handed through a window frill
On Christmas Eve we couldn't get a taxi using any of the usual apps, so we decided to hitch home after dinner. That's not such an unusual practice in Russia, in fact since Soviet times it's been an accepted way for people to subsidize their incomes by picking up strangers and charging them a small fee to drop them wherever they want. Foreigners call them "gypsy cabs."
The man who picked us up was very pleased to finally get a fare. "You're the first people to put your hands out for ages. No one puts their hands out anymore," he said, lamenting the effect of the taxi apps that are killing the ordinary man's revenue supply. "I used to make 5,000 rubles (62 euros; $68) a night doing this, now I'm lucky if I make 2,000 a week." Then he went on to explain why he needed the money.
His son is a captain in the fire brigade. His salary was 60,000 rubles a month but he had told his father that the ministry in charge of the emergency services had just announced to its employees that their salaries would be slashed to 15,000 a month - around 190 euros.
In February the government announced its members would take a 10-percent cut from their 250,000 ruble a month pay packets, but this goes far beyond that.
"I'm so mad I just want to punch the minister in the face," the driver said, wondering how on earth his family would survive.
Tough times
On hearing this we rang a friend who works for the fire department, albeit at a lower rank. His story was worse. He hadn't been paid for December. He won't be paid in January and said he'd be lucky if he was paid in February - and if he is, it won't be at his usual rate.
The reason the men at his brigade were given for the lack of payment was that Crimea was costing the country too much and cuts had to be made to help. The catchcry of "our Crimea" or "Krim Nash" that was so popular after Russia's annexation of the peninsula in March 2014 wasn't ringing happily in his ears. To add insult to injury, the employees' passports had been confiscated as they are considered to be part of the country's defense forces and as such can't leave the country in these difficult times, he was told.
Fire fighters try to put out a Moscow fire
Doing their patriotic duty
News agency Interfax has reported incidents of wages being withheld to emergency services in other regions of Russia as well, and cited the country's economic difficulties as the reason. It also said the servicemen were told budget reallocations were expected to resolve the situation in the new year.
It's been quite some time since Russia hasn't been able to pay the salaries of its government employees. The last two times in recent history were after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990 and again during the financial crisis of the late 1990s. It was the 1998 economic crisis - when the ruble lost a third of its value and inflation was running at 300 percent - that finally destroyed the popularity of Russia's first post-Soviet and democratically elected president, Boris Yeltsin.
Inflation is nowhere near that at the moment, hovering in the mid-teens, but the ruble has lost 50 percent of its value against the dollar and the pound, and with the price of oil dipping below the $40 a barrel mark, that's unlikely to change.
Clearly the government is worried that what little money is left in the country will disappear. Between 2014 and 2015 - as the economic crisis started to bite - there was capital flight estimated to be worth around $151 billion. A few months back staff at airports actively started asking if passengers were carrying cash out of the country since amounts above $10,000 must be declared. The last time they asked me, my reply was simple: "Unfortunately not," but the border guard said I'd be surprised how many people were carrying bags of cash in their hand luggage.
Currency checks
Last week legislation came into effect that says banks must ask people exchanging more than 15,000 rubles for foreign currency where they got the money from and collect their passport details and tax numbers. The government is clearly extending its crackdown on corporate tax evasion to individuals. But the reaction from people on local radio stations was that this move will only serve to fuel the rise of the black market again.
A stack of ruble notes
Safest under the mattress?
Russians don't trust banks. They've seen them collapse too often, taking their savings with them, so they keep their money in their mattresses, so to speak. They are unlikely to take kindly to having to provide an explanation as to how they came up with the equivalent of about 200 euros.
So far veterans and military personnel I've spoken to haven't been affected by pay or pension cuts, but the inability to pay emergency services and the crackdown on small money exchanges does not send good signals about the strength of the economy and the state of the government's coffers.
2016 may well become Russia's annus horribilis: All the signs suggest the country's economic roller-coaster history will repeat itself.
Clearly you absolutely know nothing about Russia at all. If you had experienced the ruin of the 90's or knew anything about how massively living standards in Russia have improved over the past decade, you would not be calling the Russian government "a crappy regime". The fact that the economy is in a rough spot now is due to the low oil prices, not something the Russian government has much control over.
Really, things are not so bad:
Spoiler:
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2016/01/11 03:32:59
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
I think he's referring to the pattern which seems to show that Russia is possibly headed for a major downturn. The full effects of all the sanctions hasn't hit yet.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.
Good.
2016/01/14 22:45:16
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
No, it quite clearly states that they removed a ban on funding neo nazis from the bill. Funding those groups is no longer explicitly prohibited.
What is clear is that by stripping out the anti-neo-Nazi provision, Congress and the administration have paved the way for US funding to end up in the hands of the most noxious elements circulating within Ukraine today.
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2016/01/15 00:23:50
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
The US funding whoever's willing to fight their enemies, even if it'll be detrimental for stability in the long term - priceless.
Though realistically Azov maintaining their current power in Ukrainian politics isn't going to make that country go any further downhill. In contrast I had thought Poroshenko's current ongoing hopeless crusade against the Oligarchs wasn't quite as pertinent for posting in this thread.
Joke for the Russian speakers.
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2016/01/15 00:36:48
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
2015: The year we started calling fundamentalist Jihadi groups "moderates".
2016: The year it became politically acceptable to fund Neo Nazi paramilitaries.
We're on a roll here. By this time next year we'll be best of buddies with ISIS.
2016/01/15 10:15:31
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: 2015: The year we started calling fundamentalist Jihadi groups "moderates". 2016: The year it became politically acceptable to fund Neo Nazi paramilitaries.
We're on a roll here. By this time next year we'll be best of buddies with ISIS.
Either that or the US will be a fascist state itself, all hailing Great Leader Trump But don't worry, he is just fighting the bad guys...
Also, Poroshenko going against the oligarchs is so ironic, considering he is one of them himself... The Ukrainian government has never been more than a tool for oligarchs. I can see the future of Ukraine as being divided in the personal domains of several powerful oligarchs. It is already happening more or less. Interesting development considering how things went in Russia and Belarus.
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2016/01/15 12:18:45
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.
Good.
I'm not sure how there's anything good about funding, training, and arming neo-nazi militias.
Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.
Good.
I'm not sure how there's anything good about funding, training, and arming neo-nazi militias.
Practical reasons within the context of that war besides, this is in a world where the US continues to fund fundamentalists and terrorist organizations throughout the world. We could speak about how the funds going to Azov will reach ISIS, but its hardly like that isn't already happening directly.
Azov are already being funded by the US, just not directly. The Ukrainian army actively trades equipment with the militias, whilst Azov itself just break into the warehouses and take stuff as they please (spoiler, all that gear the US is sending is just sitting unused so the army can sell it to other countries and use the money to buy cheaper gear). This change is the status quo.
2016/01/15 13:57:36
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Azov already have government positions... Who do you think is the head of the police force?
Its perhaps a bit big to say that the US is "founding" Azov, considering they've been one of (of not the) Ukraine's largest non-governmental fighting force for years. Azov tote about wearing American ballistic vets, with American NVGs and radios to spare and eat American MREs. All this'll mean is that they'll take them from the source instead of trading them for rations. The training is perhaps the most significant thing, but that's not saying much considering the background of the group's members and sponsors (not to speak of all the support they get from Russian Neo-Nazis ...though the topic of the Nazis on both side's collaborating should be left to an earlier post of mine).
2016/01/15 14:59:15
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!