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**Wyrmalla**

A Russian user want to find a source for this, translation of a Russian article:

The situation with the spread of an unknown virus in the Donbas, unfortunately, is deteriorating.

More and more news of died of SARS. Yesterday they buried the dead from pneumonia Chief of Staff of the First Slavic brigade call "Artem". He died four soldier team. Which division do not contact - sick everywhere, dozens of militia battalions patients.

Civilians I do not have accurate information. The Ministry of Health says 12 deaths in the DNI, but for ASIC data of deaths from the disease for at least 30. I believe that the figures underestimate the power of Donetsk. And imperfect (to put it mildly) the state mechanism is hardly conducted due account of patients and deaths, especially in cases where the dying elderly.

The first at-risk (when possible death) - People with chronic diseases of the pulmonary system, hepatitis C, onkolozabolevaniyami, chronic stress, weakened immune systems, etc. The latter is especially true for the militias.

It is a virus that no one can or wants to determine the strain of (officially declare that it is H1N1 or one of its mutations). The peculiarity of the disease - quick incubation period, a cold three days, "falls" down and begin bilateral pneumonia, which is accompanied by a high fever. Four varieties of new antibiotics fail in the treatment of pneumonia, white blood cells go to zero as in HIV infection. Even after the connection to mechanical ventilation body refuses to live (possibly very severe intoxication). It is an airborne infection, the risk of infection which is almost 100%.

The DNR is still an acute shortage of drugs - he was and always, but now has become more acute as demand increased significantly. If in the Rostov region has little (yesterday we bought all Ingavirin to pharmacy warehouses in Rostov - only 250 packs. Left), then the more the Donbass.

We continue to buy medicines for DNR offices. Over the two days gathered half a million rubles to 120 thousand. Bought medicine for several companies, the next three days will buy drugs on the remaining funds (full report in a week).

**Ustrello**

Haven't seen a single thing about this, but I bet RT will be blaming Ukraine or the West for it.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Ustrello wrote:
Haven't seen a single thing about this, but I bet RT will be blaming Ukraine or the West for it.

And no doubt we'll be accusing Russia of using bio weapons.

**Wyrmalla**

Seems like this article may be related. More like a bunch of guys with a generic flu rather than an epidemic though.

‘Flu hits Donbas rebels, supplies of pharmaceuticals meager
The Russian/rebel troops in Donbas are amid large-scale ‘flu epidemic, Ukraine army intelligence says Jan. 12. .

In the rebel Diesel tank battalion, for instance, over half of the servicemen are down with the ‘flu.

The battalion’s CO bans his servicemen to leave the barracks, and there are no pharmaceuticals.

Some rebels have challenged the order and are trying to leave the barracks.

By contrast, there is no ‘flu epidemics in the Ukrainian army.

Mobile groups of medics are running preventive examinations of the troops, the army says.

Ukraine army servicemen are well supplied with warm clothes, heaters and fuel as well as high-calorie food, the army says.

**Iron_Captain**

Wyrmalla wrote:
A Russian user want to find a source for this, translation of a Russian article:

The situation with the spread of an unknown virus in the Donbas, unfortunately, is deteriorating.

More and more news of died of SARS. Yesterday they buried the dead from pneumonia Chief of Staff of the First Slavic brigade call "Artem". He died four soldier team. Which division do not contact - sick everywhere, dozens of militia battalions patients.

Civilians I do not have accurate information. The Ministry of Health says 12 deaths in the DNI, but for ASIC data of deaths from the disease for at least 30. I believe that the figures underestimate the power of Donetsk. And imperfect (to put it mildly) the state mechanism is hardly conducted due account of patients and deaths, especially in cases where the dying elderly.

The first at-risk (when possible death) - People with chronic diseases of the pulmonary system, hepatitis C, onkolozabolevaniyami, chronic stress, weakened immune systems, etc. The latter is especially true for the militias.

It is a virus that no one can or wants to determine the strain of (officially declare that it is H1N1 or one of its mutations). The peculiarity of the disease - quick incubation period, a cold three days, "falls" down and begin bilateral pneumonia, which is accompanied by a high fever. Four varieties of new antibiotics fail in the treatment of pneumonia, white blood cells go to zero as in HIV infection. Even after the connection to mechanical ventilation body refuses to live (possibly very severe intoxication). It is an airborne infection, the risk of infection which is almost 100%.

The DNR is still an acute shortage of drugs - he was and always, but now has become more acute as demand increased significantly. If in the Rostov region has little (yesterday we bought all Ingavirin to pharmacy warehouses in Rostov - only 250 packs. Left), then the more the Donbass.

We continue to buy medicines for DNR offices. Over the two days gathered half a million rubles to 120 thousand. Bought medicine for several companies, the next three days will buy drugs on the remaining funds (full report in a week).

The article is from here:http://www.novorosinform.org/articles/id/3814" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> http://www.novorosinform.org/articles/id/3814 and translated by Google Translate, it seems. It is a seperatist news agency.
I can personally confirm that the seperatists have problems with disease, due to a lack of medicine. The Ukrainian army are suffering the same problem.
RT isn't going to report on it at all I predict, they are much too horny about Russia's totally awesome new submarine destroyer in Syria, McDonalds banning evil Polish potatoes and the Snöpenis in Sweden. RT can be slowed like that.

**Wyrmalla**

Hah, I had the source text in Russian from another forum, but not the link. Could have translated it myself, but Google Translate was easier (all those "he's" instead of "the").

**Iron_Captain**

Wyrmalla wrote:
Hah, I had the source text in Russian from another forum, but not the link. Could have translated it myself, but Google Translate was easier (all those "he's" instead of "the").

Yeah, Google is actually surprisingly good at translating Russian. Much better than it is at translating Dutch or German for example. When I need to translate something, I usually put it in Google Translate as well, and then change all the rough and incorrect parts afterwards myself. That saves a lot of time compared to translating everything by hand.

**Wyrmalla**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Wyrmalla wrote:
Hah, I had the source text in Russian from another forum, but not the link. Could have translated it myself, but Google Translate was easier (all those "he's" instead of "the").

Yeah, Google is actually surprisingly good at translating Russian. Much better than it is at translating Dutch or German for example. When I need to translate something, I usually put it in Google Translate as well, and then change all the rough and incorrect parts afterwards myself. That saves a lot of time compared to translating everything by hand.

My job involves me speaking to Serbs every day. ...Don't tell them that I'm sometimes having to translate in real time from Google.

On topic:

...I could post yet another video of DNR generals mouthing off in Russian, but summary: Civil War, blah, blah, blah.

**Wyrmalla**

Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine To Launch Joint Brigade In 2017

WARSAW — Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine on Monday said a joint brigade of 4,000 troops would be operational next year, as the region maintains a wary eye on Russia and its role in the Ukraine conflict.

“The multinational brigade is a sign, symbol and very clear signal to anyone who would want to undermine peace in Europe,” Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz said in a ministry statement.

While Lithuania and Poland are NATO and EU members, Ukraine is not but has been a part of the defense alliance’s Partnership for Peace eastern outreach program since 1994.

Macierewicz spoke after meeting with his counterparts from Lithuania and Ukraine, Juozas Olekas and Stepan Poltorak respectively, in the eastern Polish city of Lublin.

“We see this brigade as a driving force that will improve our army,” Poltorak said, quoted by the Polish news agency PAP.

He added that “the brigade will be fully operational in 2017”, while the Polish ministry statement said the military unit would “reach its full combat capability in January 2017.”

The three countries signed an agreement in September 2014 to form the so-called Litpolukrbrig brigade, which will mainly take part in peacekeeping operations.

The brigade has been in the works since 2007, but it is being put into action at a time of anxiety among Eastern European states once controlled by Moscow.

Poland and the three Baltic states, which include Lithuania, have been on edge since Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine in March 2014.

The Baltic trio and Poland, which will host a NATO summit in July, have called on the Western defense alliance to reinforce its presence in the region because of their concern over Russia.

The brigade troops will be deployed in their own countries and will join forces during exercises and joint operations. The headquarters will be in Lublin.

And the Russian government will use this to add to their paranoia about how the world's out to get them, instead of the other way around.

**BaronIveagh**

Wyrmalla wrote:
And the Russian government will use this to add to their paranoia about how the world's out to get them, instead of the other way around.

To paraphrase an old joke: In Putinist Russia, world conquers you!

**Iron_Captain**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Wyrmalla wrote:
And the Russian government will use this to add to their paranoia about how the world's out to get them, instead of the other way around.

To paraphrase an old joke: In Putinist Russia, world conquers you!

As a Russian, I would prefer the term "re-establishing government control in rebellious republics" over the term "conquest". Conquest sounds so agressive, and Russia is not agressive. Russia is merely persistent and consistent in pursuing its interests.

Just a friendly reminder.

**Wyrmalla**

According to data gathered by Oleg Melnichkov, who commanded the defense of Semenovka and worked in DNR's ministry of defense POW commission there are about 1500-2000.

"It's easier with the local - everybody knew who they were, where they were from even if he fought under an assumed name. With Russian volunteers it's harder - usually except the nickname nobody knew him, and his relatives in Russia don't know where to turn to." says Melnichkov.

According to him, if the person after a battle is accounted as MIA (not recorded in the morgue or hospital, not listed in POW list) then it's 99% likely that he's dead. Probably - buried on the field of battle.

"There are a lot of common graves like that, on both sides. Ilovaysk "kettle", fighting around Maryinka, Dibrovka. During chaotic retreats or breakthroughts, units would loose touch with HQs and then frequently "200s" (the dead) were buried nearby, because there was no way to give them decent burial in the Motherland. There are bereaucratic problems. Before the retreat from Slavyansk, in Semenovka, a bus with my people was shot up - two volunteers from Russia died amongst others. Because there was no coroner on hand, we couldn't file a document regarding the death. Despite the fact that we buried them ourselves, they will be listed as MIA for another 5 years." says Melnikov.

http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2016/01/24_a_8038937.shtml#

**BaronIveagh**

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35569094

"On an almost daily basis, we are being described the worst threat - be it to Nato as a whole, or to Europe, America or other countries," - Medvedev

In the world outside Moscow, we *do* consider invading your neighbors 'threatening'.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Yup. It's not like North Korea is practising for nuclear attacks on targets in Sweden. Russia, on the other hand...

**whembly**

Or that Putin is egging Turkey into a Syrian fight.

WW3 might be his goal if he can disband Nato.

**Iron_Captain**

BaronIveagh wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35569094

"On an almost daily basis, we are being described the worst threat - be it to Nato as a whole, or to Europe, America or other countries," - Medvedev

In the world outside Moscow, we *do* consider invading your neighbors 'threatening'.

It was not an invasion. It is only an invasion if you invade a foreign land. Crimea was, is, and will always be Russian, so therefore Russian troops entering it can never be an invasion. Russia merely took back de-facto control over something that already rightfully belonged to it.

Medvedev is being hypocritical here though. It is not as if Russia hasn't already put NATO and the US on its #1 most threatening spot. Also, Russia actually likes being seen as a threat. Being seen as a threat means you are being seen as powerful, and being seen as powerful means Russia stronk! Russia is kinda obsessed with being seen as a strong, great world power. It is a bit of a historical national trauma.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Yup. It's not like North Korea is practising for nuclear attacks on targets in Sweden. Russia, on the other hand...

Business as usual

To be honest, I think NATO and Russia actually are pretty happy to have their good old enemy back.

**AlmightyWalrus**

That's fine and dandy and all, until you remember that Sweden isn't in NATO. If Russia doesn't want everyone to hate it, respecting the fact that pretending to nuke a neutral country tends to piss people off might be a good place to start. Respect is earned, not demanded.

**Yaraton**

Ustrello wrote:
Haven't seen a single thing about this, but I bet RT will be blaming Ukraine or the West for it.

In oppose to CNN blaming it on Russia?

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Wyrmalla wrote:

And the Russian government will use this to add to their paranoia about how the world's out to get them, instead of the other way around.

Well it's a good thing that this brigade is geared towards the war with North Korea. Wait, what..?

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Iron_Captain wrote:

As a Russian, I would prefer the term "re-establishing government control in rebellious republics" over the term "conquest". Conquest sounds so agressive, and Russia is not agressive. Russia is merely persistent and consistent in pursuing its interests.

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BaronIveagh wrote:

In the world outside Moscow, we *do* consider invading your neighbors 'threatening'.

You mean just like when you invaded Panama in 1989?

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AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Yup. It's not like North Korea is practising for nuclear attacks on targets in Sweden. Russia, on the other hand...

**BaronIveagh**

Yaraton wrote:
You mean just like when you invaded Panama in 1989?

I was unaware the Seneca nation invaded Panama. I thought that was the United States

**Iron_Captain**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
That's fine and dandy and all, until you remember that Sweden isn't in NATO. If Russia doesn't want everyone to hate it, respecting the fact that pretending to nuke a neutral country tends to piss people off might be a good place to start. Respect is earned, not demanded.

Russia is paranoid. Sweden's neutrality is in Russia generally seen as a farce. Sweden (and Finland to a lesser extent) are way too close to NATO for Russia's liking, they are NATO members in all but name. The message from this kind of actions is that Sweden should stay far away from NATO, or otherwise bad things will happen if it comes to war. Russia gains respect through military force, that is the way it has always been. Russia is not a peace-loving modern liberal democratic European country. Russia is very different from Europe, it is militaristic, paranoid and autocratic, brooding over the loss of its empire (for which the West is blamed) and the many, many historical grievances inflicted upon it by treacherous foreigners. Russia has a deep-seated distrust of the West, born out of centuries of conflict and Western invasions. It has no desire to participate in any kind of Western world order. And altough there have been times that the Russian view of the West was more positive, currently, the mood is rather hateful, thanks to perceived slights of the West against Russia, NATO infringement on traditional Russian territory, and widespread russophobia in Western media and politics. Unfortenately, relations between Russia and the West have become a kind of vicious cycle, which will just perpetuate a Cold War-style conflict unless someone steps in and breaks the cycle.

Going back to Russian threats against Sweden, Russia is like the kid in school whom nobody likes because he is weird and different, but whom no one dares to pick on because everyone is afraid he will beat you bloody if you bully him. Because of his unpopularity, the kid's only way to not get bullied is to maintain the image that he can beat up anyone who messes with him.

So in other words, Russia is threatening Sweden because Russia is afraid that otherwise Sweden will start to pick on him together with the popular kids (NATO).

**Ustrello**

If only Charles XII wasn't an idiot and pushed home his advantage and destroyed russia in 1700 we would only have to deal with a potential swedish empire

**Grey Templar**

Ustrello wrote:
If only Charles XII wasn't an idiot and pushed home his advantage and destroyed russia in 1700 we would only have to deal with a potential swedish empire

Funny, history has shown invading Russia to be the idiotic course of action. Not invading Russia thus seems to be a smart move.

**Ustrello**

Grey Templar wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
If only Charles XII wasn't an idiot and pushed home his advantage and destroyed russia in 1700 we would only have to deal with a potential swedish empire

Funny, history has shown invading Russia to be the idiotic course of action. Not invading Russia thus seems to be a smart move.

Yes because sweden is know for its temperate climate

. Plus Peter's army was routed and he had nothing between charles and st. petersburg and then to moscow.

**Tyran**

whembly wrote:
Or that Putin is egging Turkey into a Syrian fight.

WW3 might be his goal if he can disband Nato.

Both NATO and Russia would prefer if Turkey didn't do anything stupid in Syria.

**Yaraton**

BaronIveagh wrote:

I was unaware the Seneca nation invaded Panama. I thought that was the United States

For a person whose nation suffered a genocide from US government you are surprisingly narrow minded when it comes to world politics.

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Iron_Captain wrote:

Russia is paranoid.

Care to tell the crowd here how many times USSR/Russia asked to join NATO? It's one thing to be a member a of an international military organization and another to be told you are the enemy and have your territory surrounded by the military bases of that military organization.

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Ustrello wrote:
If only Charles XII wasn't an idiot and pushed home his advantage and destroyed russia in 1700 we would only have to deal with a potential swedish empire

If only Russia instead of helping US in the war with UK let the Brits to drown their colony in blood. Perhaps we wouldn't have now a terrorist-sponsoring and Fascist-supporting nation.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Yaraton wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Yup. It's not like North Korea is practising for nuclear attacks on targets in Sweden. Russia, on the other hand...

Yes, look at all those NATO bases that Sweden isn't involved in. You sure showed me the error of my ways!

Honestly, if Russia doesn't want Sweden and Finland in NATO pretending to drop nukes on us is about the stupidest possible action. It's either going to push us to get nukes of our own (highly unlikely) or into NATO (much more likely). It's a shame, I'd rather we stayed neutral, but it is increasingly becoming untenable.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Tyran wrote:
whembly wrote:
Or that Putin is egging Turkey into a Syrian fight.

WW3 might be his goal if he can disband Nato.

Both NATO and Russia would prefer if Turkey didn't do anything stupid in Syria.

Like shoot down Russian jets?

**BaronIveagh**

Grey Templar wrote:
Funny, history has shown invading Russia to be the idiotic course of action. Not invading Russia thus seems to be a smart move.

Everyone wants to be Genghis Khan and do it successfully. They forget that his approach involved having an even larger army than Rus did at the time. Costing him a few thousand men just meant that you got his full attention.

Yaraton wrote:
For a person whose nation suffered a genocide from US government you are surprisingly narrow minded when it comes to world politics.

You said 'you' and I corrected you. That's not being narrow minded. Because I come from a country that experienced pretty much that, I can say that Russia's actions disturb me. Right now, Joe Stalin is being called a hero in the streets of Russia and hte russian government seems ot have reached the point they're believing their own propaganda. I find that as disturbing as I would the German government hailing the accomplishments of Adolf Hitler, and building statues to him in front of the Reichstag.

Yaraton wrote:
If only Russia instead of helping US in the war with UK let the Brits to drown their colony in blood. Perhaps we wouldn't have now a terrorist-sponsoring and Fascist-supporting nation.

HUH?

I hate to point this out, but all Catherine did was refuse to join Great Britain in the war and insist on a diplomatic solution, and ignore British trade policy with the Colonies (which they had been doing before the revolution anyway). Russia remained neutral throughout the American Revolution. Now, if we were talking France, I'd cede the point, but Russia? No.

**Yaraton**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Yes, look at all those NATO bases that Sweden isn't involved in. You sure showed me the error of my ways!

Honestly, if Russia doesn't want Sweden and Finland in NATO pretending to drop nukes on us is about the stupidest possible action. It's either going to push us to get nukes of our own (highly unlikely) or into NATO (much more likely). It's a shame, I'd rather we stayed neutral, but it is increasingly becoming untenable.

Are you sure it Russia who trains it's bombers on you "pushing" you into NATO and not you and Finland who declaring an intention to join NATO which created this situation? I know, we can go around and discuss "chicken and egg" dilemma but logically, unless Putin secretly works for USA, why would be there a reason for threatening you?

**AlmightyWalrus**

Yaraton wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Yes, look at all those NATO bases that Sweden isn't involved in. You sure showed me the error of my ways!

Honestly, if Russia doesn't want Sweden and Finland in NATO pretending to drop nukes on us is about the stupidest possible action. It's either going to push us to get nukes of our own (highly unlikely) or into NATO (much more likely). It's a shame, I'd rather we stayed neutral, but it is increasingly becoming untenable.

Are you sure it Russia who trains it's bombers on you "pushing" you into NATO and not you and Finland who declaring an intention to join NATO which created this situation? I know, we can go around and discuss "chicken and egg" dilemma but logically, unless Putin secretly works for USA, why would be there a reason for threatening you?

Could you spin harder? The merry-go-round is slowing down.

I suppose the Whisky on the Rocks incident was somehow Sweden's fault too, right? You're going to have to look rather hard and long to find anyone announcing that Sweden or Finland is (as opposed to should) seeking NATO membership due to the small fact that it hasn't happened.

You're honestly arguing that it's somehow not Russia's fault that they're practising nuclear attacks on neutral, sovereign countries. Blame the victim much?