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I'd always suspected that Putin was supported by the Ruinous Powers. I guess now we know......

 Wyrmalla wrote:
40K (hmn, or D&D) players amongst the Pro-Russian Neo-Nazis it'd seem...

It is the symbol of the Eurasia Party. Not real neo-nazis, but still nationalist far-right. They might be Chaos Cultists,

Its from a thread over on a military current events forum. Someone yelled "all Pro-Ukrainians are Nazis", queue arms race of spamming pictures of both side's right sector (and far left in the some cases ...and the even weirder Nazi Communist groups in others). Those groups without the nerve to show off swastikas really like the black sun motif...

Joke is that a load of Russian Neo-Nazis joined the Ukrainian side as they're dissatisfied with the state Russia's in and want to create a white nation there. ...Which is to say how extreme they must be then considering Russia's already pretty fare to their cause as it is (lists all the Neo-Nazi politicians/ fascist policies).

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Its from a thread over on a military current events forum. Someone yelled "all Pro-Ukrainians are Nazis", queue arms race of spamming pictures of both side's right sector (and far left in the some cases ...and the even weirder Nazi Communist groups in others). Those groups without the nerve to show off swastikas really like the black sun motif...

Yeah, it looks good and is all mysterious and occult (most neo-nazis are pretty fond of paganism and occult stuff, I have found) The Kolovrat and Wolfsangel are also pretty popular symbols, as are the black-white-red flag of the German Empire and the black-yellow-white flag of the Russian Empire. So Swastikas or no, recognising neo-nazis is usually pretty easy

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Joke is that a load of Russian Neo-Nazis joined the Ukrainian side as they're dissatisfied with the state Russia's in and want to create a white nation there. ...Which is to say how extreme they must be then considering Russia's already pretty fare to their cause as it is (lists all the Neo-Nazi politicians/ fascist policies).

Neo-nazis don't really view it that way. Russia is very much a multi-ethnic state in which many minorities have special rights and privileges in their respective territories, and equal rights outside of them. Neo-nazis often think that the Russian government panders too much to its minorities and puts them above the Slavic population. They are afraid that the minorities, with their higher birthrates, will eventually outnumber the Slavic people and take over (parts of) Russia. They also want to stop Slavic Russians from interacting and mixing with the non-Slavic populations. Basically, they want the Russian government to segregate society along ethnic lines, and the Russian government of course doesn't really pay any attention to their crazy ideas, which frustrates them.
Along with that, the Ukrainian government is much more tolerant of neo-nazi and extremist groups than the Russian government. The Ukrainian government needs these groups to fight for them, while the Russian government sees them as a threat to its authority and usually cracks down hard on any neo-nazi organisation that gets too large, ambitious or extreme. Most groups therefore can't actually participate in the political process of Russia, whereas they can in Ukraine.
And seeing as that Russians and Ukrainians are technically both Russians (English language unfortenately does not have seperate words for Russians as citizens of the Russian Federation and Russians as a people (maybe that Ukrainian idea of re-introducing "Muscovites" is not so bad after all)), it is not so weird that these groups take the Ukrainian side. It is only really the anti-Western, pro-(Muscovite)Russian state groups that are anti-Ukrainian.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
The Russian paper tiger: A foreign volunteer in the Ukrainian Army’s view of Russian troops

A person who wrote this article is most likely an American, judging purely from the terms he uses and the information he presents.




Ukrainian neo-Nazis commemorate the death of members of their volunteer battalions. Such a happy bunch, ain't they?
@1:39 - "Moskali [derogative term for Russians] na nozhi, na nozhi! [on knives, on knives]"
"There is no Nazism in Ukraine." (Any Western politician)







Yet another reason why I think Putin is a traitor to Russian people. Instead of a finial blockade of Junta he allowed the Russian government and private banks to operate in ukraine and thus finance Junta. I still hope he and his family will end up hanged on Kremlin walls. It's too bad it didn't happened to Yeltsin's daughter and now she and her family are Austrian citizens.


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 Wyrmalla wrote:
Its from a thread over on a military current events forum. Someone yelled "all Pro-Ukrainians are Nazis", queue arms race of spamming pictures of both side's right sector (and far left in the some cases ...and the even weirder Nazi Communist groups in others). Those groups without the nerve to show off swastikas really like the black sun motif...

Joke is that a load of Russian Neo-Nazis joined the Ukrainian side as they're dissatisfied with the state Russia's in and want to create a white nation there. ...Which is to say how extreme they must be then considering Russia's already pretty fare to their cause as it is (lists all the Neo-Nazi politicians/ fascist policies).

The joke is that some of those "Russian Neo-Nazis" identify themselves as "ethnic ukrainians, living in Russia". Therefore, when you see a picture of people with Nazi salute, which apparently was made in Russia, you never know who they really are.

Yet another reason why I think Putin is a traitor to Russian people. Instead of a finial blockade of Junta he allowed the Russian government and private banks to operate in ukraine and thus finance Junta. I still hope he and his family will end up hanged on Kremlin walls. It's too bad it didn't happened to Yeltsin's daughter and now she and her family are Austrian citizens.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Is calling for the lynching of public figures and their fething families on the Dakka Bingo?

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:
40K (hmn, or D&D) players amongst the Pro-Russian Neo-Nazis it'd seem...

It is the symbol of the Eurasia Party. Not real neo-nazis, but still nationalist far-right. They might be Chaos Cultists,

Wait a minute there... the double headed eagle is on most of the imperials... that means the emperors on the wrong side all along!

tzeeeeeeench*




*Or possibly creeeeed


*edited to fit your internet

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Is calling for the lynching of public figures and their fething families on the Dakka Bingo?

I never seen any regrets by anyone after Ceaușescu and his wife were shot without a proper trial. But do continue, you must onto something here.

 Yaraton wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Is calling for the lynching of public figures and their fething families on the Dakka Bingo?

I never seen any regrets by anyone after Ceaușescu and his wife were shot without a proper trial. But do continue, you must onto something here.

You really, REALLY need to stop it with the Whataboutism. It's getting silly.

 Yaraton wrote:


The joke is that some of those "Russian Neo-Nazis" identify themselves as "ethnic ukrainians, living in Russia". Therefore, when you see a picture of people with Nazi salute, which apparently was made in Russia, you never know who they really are.

"There's no Russian Nazis in Russia! They're Ukrainians!"

 Yaraton wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Is calling for the lynching of public figures and their fething families on the Dakka Bingo?

I never seen any regrets by anyone after Ceaușescu and his wife were shot without a proper trial. But do continue, you must onto something here.

That was nearly 30 years ago, before I was even born. Exactly what do you expect me to say about it, and what the feth does it have to do with Ukraine?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Is calling for the lynching of public figures and their fething families on the Dakka Bingo?

I never seen any regrets by anyone after Ceaușescu and his wife were shot without a proper trial. But do continue, you must onto something here.

You really, REALLY need to stop it with the Whataboutism. It's getting silly.

You REALLY need to stop telling me what to do before I told where to go and what you can do with yourself. It's getting silly.


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 Wyrmalla wrote:


"There's no Russian Nazis in Russia! They're Ukrainians!"

Way to go to make an assumption out of something I didn't say. I never said that there are no ethnic Russians in Russian who are not fond of Nazi ideology. 20 years of spiting at your own history and rampant anti-Russian propaganda by the West via payed by the CIA so-called "liberals" do produced at least some results.

Meanwhile Ukraine's Eurovision entry. The subject's the Soviet deportation of Crimean Tartars in 1944. ...A step up from Poland's "Slavic girls are hot" song from last year IIRC.

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 Yaraton wrote:


First, if you don't know something about a historical event because you are too young, you shouldn't try to voice you opinion, especially when it comes to things that may offend somebody? I personally find your ignorant and bigoted opinions slightly offensive. Second, there is thing called "logic" if you are not capable to see a parallel between the historical events, how you suppose to have a conversation about the historical events? You've questioned my personal view about Putin and I told you that this kind of thinking has it's examples in another cultures. Putin has a lot to do with that fething "ukraine" that still unfortunately exists. Is it clear now or should I repeat myself for better understanding?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 Yaraton wrote:
I never seen any regrets by anyone after Ceaușescu and his wife were shot without a proper trial.

"We regret the trial did not take place in an open and public fashion," - Official US press release regarding the executions.

http://www.theguardian.com/century/1980-1989/Story/0,6051,110504,00.html

Mind you, their own son said that their executions were necessary.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:


"We regret the trial did not take place in an open and public fashion," - Official US press release regarding the executions.

http://www.theguardian.com/century/1980-1989/Story/0,6051,110504,00.html

Mind you, their own son said that their executions were necessary.

Thanks.

ALL of the rules of the site apply to ALL forums at ALL times.

RULE #1 - SERIOUSLY.

ANYTHING ELSE that even looks a little bit like a personal attack on anyone by anyone will get the poster a suspension.

Jeez, Yaraton. Try looking in a mirror. You're calling for public figures to be lynched without trial. You're basically advocating murder. And yet I'm the bigoted, offensive one?

(Spoiler-ed a wall of text).

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Jeez, Yaraton. Try looking in a mirror. You're calling for public figures to be lynched without trial. You're basically advocating murder. And yet I'm the bigoted, offensive one?

You post about Russia and Russians, I posted my personal opinion about the top of Russian "elite". How the hell am I exactly "bigoted"?

I think the two of you should just drop it. Let each other have his own opinion. Further discussion is not productive and will only lead to annoyance. Annoyance leads to anger. Anger leads to rage. Rage leads to worshipping Khorne. Worshipping Khorne leads to summoning deamons. Summoning Deamons leads to the entire world being massacred, and I'd rather not be another skull on Khorne's throne, so please stop.

 Yaraton wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Jeez, Yaraton. Try looking in a mirror. You're calling for public figures to be lynched without trial. You're basically advocating murder. And yet I'm the bigoted, offensive one?

You post about Russia and Russians, I posted my personal opinion about the top of Russian "elite". How the hell am I exactly "bigoted"?

I...think you're confusing me with someone else. I've largely been on Russia's side in this debate. Ask Iron Captain, Baron or AlmightyWalrus. If I'm being "bigoted" ( ) against anyone, its against Ukrainians and gak stirring European bureaucrats, not Russians.

Well, since you've asked so nicely, I sure will. I will go through all 171 pages of this topic and pick all your posts which I find offensive.

You do realise that you can just filter all my posts through this entire thread, don't you? You have no excuse. You accused me of bigotry, yet you cannot cite one example. You saw that I was disagreeing with your opinion on Putin, and jumped to conclusions without bothering to actually research my positions and opinions through this thread. (whatever he is, I don't think he should be murdered. If he's a criminal, he should be prosecuted and jailed according to the Rule of Law).

Franky, you're using ad hominem and flinging accusations of bigotry at anyone who disagrees with you. And besides, "offense" is subjective. Offense is always taken, never given. Personally I think calling for the extra-judicial murder of public figures is extremely offensive, and quite possibly illegal.


You're still ignoring Alpharius and being rude and abusive, so I'm done. If anyone is trolling here, its you. Welcome to my block list.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Meanwhile Ukraine's Eurovision entry. The subject's the Soviet deportation of Crimean Tartars in 1944. ...A step up from Poland's "Slavic girls are hot" song from last year IIRC.

Poland's song was great. Everyone knows Slavic girls are the hottest girls.
Ukraine's song is garbage. Aside from it being just a bad song and a bad performance, the text is also clearly political (which is not okay at Eurovision ) and hypocritical. No one really cares about Crimean Tatars. Everyone, including Ukraine, hates them (And lets not forget that Ukrainians played their fair share in the deportations). They are just being used as political tools now.
To counteract this, I now vote for Russia sending in this song:

 Yaraton wrote:
First, if you don't know something about a historical event because you are too young, you shouldn't try to voice you opinion, especially when it comes to things that may offend somebody?

That's not how history works. In fact, first hand witnesses taken alone with no supporting evidence/testimony are in fact some of the worst evidence you can have. EDIT: Actually a really good exercise on this that can be extrapolated from the confusing interviews of Susan Hamlin/Hamilton (Interviewers couldn't agree on her name )

parallel between the historical events, how you suppose to have a conversation about the historical events?

The first thing any historian will tell you is that parallelism is a dubious method of analysis that generally relies on boatloads of logical fallacies to get anywhere

Putin has a lot to do with that fething "ukraine" that still unfortunately exists.

That seems like a kind of offensive statement and maybe a little bit bigoted.

A bunch of young neo-Nazis showed up at a City hall of Belozersk city (ukraine) and tried to impeach the mayor by yelling for him to get out of the building. When the mayor and some of his City hall workers did, one of chief yellers got punched by the mayor (the fat arse at 1:02) and after that "AZOV Civil Corp" (AZOV - is the most famous of neo-Nazi volunteer battalions) and their parents started telling on cameras that they came for "a peaceful demonstration".

Better quality video:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35671976

Yes, because Russians would never vote against officials they're cross with. It's clearly the west plotting against Russia, from inside the Russian people's own heads!

Russia is the last country to produce propaganda, they would never stoop to the level of the 5th column

Because there's seriously a chance that Putin won't be in for this xth term as Prime Minister/ President (same thing to him, whoever takes the other role's a puppet)? He'll be in those positions for the rest of his life, or till its decided that he'll move off to his mansion and own half the Russian economy.

Wonder how many of the opposition he'll have thrown in prison/ killed this time around?

 BaronIveagh wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35671976

Yes, because Russians would never vote against officials they're cross with. It's clearly the west plotting against Russia, from inside the Russian people's own heads!

No, it is the West plotting against Russia by supporting shady liberast groups and interfering in Russia's political processes, nevermind that is exactly what Russia does in the West (Go Trump! Yay Brexit!)
But regardless, foreigners should be kept away as completely as possible. This is Russian politics, for Russians. Not for foreigners. Foreigners smell funny (and want to destroy Russia).

 Ustrello wrote:
Russia is the last country to produce propaganda, they would never stoop to the level of the 5th column

Sarcasm?


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 Wyrmalla wrote:
Because there's seriously a chance that Putin won't be in for this xth term as Prime Minister/ President (same thing to him, whoever takes the other role's a puppet)? He'll be in those positions for the rest of his life, or till its decided that he'll move off to his mansion and own half the Russian economy.

Wonder how many of the opposition he'll have thrown in prison/ killed this time around?

I don't think any will be killed, that has never happened before. There are probably going to be some in prison though, most likely because of holding illegal protests. Not that it matters, those are the kind of politicians Russians would never vote for anyways. The only politicians Russians are going to vote for are:
1. Putin
2. Putin
3. Whomever Putin says to vote for.
4. Commies
5. Vladimir "take Alaska back" Zhirinovsky

Let us just hope Putin wins again. Not only is he one of the best leaders in Russian history, he is also one of the least crazy popular politicians. If Putin doesn't run, let us hope Shoigu will. Shoigu is a nice guy (would also be special seeing as that he'd be the first Asian leader of Russia ever).

 Iron_Captain wrote:

5. Vladimir "take Alaska back" Zhirinovsky

Did they learn nothing from Operation Anchorage...????

Sure, it's fun at first, but then you wake up to some giant robot kicking the turret off your tank like a football.