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2016/02/27 03:28:09
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Yes, because Russians would never vote against officials they're cross with. It's clearly the west plotting against Russia, from inside the Russian people's own heads!
Oh boo-hoo. US spent 5 billion dollars officially which they were ready to admit on the "ukranian influence":
Giving that a lot of "non-government" organizations in Russia are directly financed from abroad there is a high chance somebody is going to use them for anti-Russian propaganda.
Bellingcat uses open source and social media investigation to investigate a variety of subjects, from Mexican drug lords to conflicts being fought across the world. Bellingcat brings together contributors who specialise in open source and social media investigation, and creates guides and case studies so others may learn to do the same."]
..And a bunch of articles in Russian written by ukranian nationalists and "internet" experts. That's you proof?
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Of course OSCE which is supposed to monitor the ceasefire didn't report anything.
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If we are talking about the ones on the CIA and State Department payroll, I hope all of them.
Because in the Russia the population's made up of people who support the current regime, and those the regime's enemy's shipped in from abroad. Not a single native born Russia has voted against Putin's government ever. There is in fact no opposition parties at all, or if they do exist they are made up entirely of strawmen.
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2016/02/27 15:45:01
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Bellingcat uses open source and social media investigation to investigate a variety of subjects, from Mexican drug lords to conflicts being fought across the world. Bellingcat brings together contributors who specialise in open source and social media investigation, and creates guides and case studies so others may learn to do the same."]
..And a bunch of articles in Russian written by ukranian nationalists and "internet" experts. That's you proof?
Automatically Appended Next Post: ukrainian Nazis are shooting at a police checkpoint near Donetsk. The local driver has really good reflexes and a lot of luck.
Of course OSCE which is supposed to monitor the ceasefire didn't report anything.
I mean the sources are better than the photoshopped pictures RT used, but I guess that was a CIA plot also.
If we are talking about the ones on the CIA and State Department payroll, I hope all of them.
Because in the Russia the population's made up of people who support the current regime, and those the regime's enemy's shipped in from abroad. Not a single native born Russia has voted against Putin's government ever. There is in fact no opposition parties at all, or if they do exist they are made up entirely of strawmen.
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I really need a sarcasm detector app or something like that... I am normally pretty good at picking up sarcasm, even on the internet, but Poe's Law is just too strong in this thread This was sarcastic, right?
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2016/02/27 21:08:41
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
I really need a sarcasm detector app or something like that...
Mine buried the needle on that one.
If this Twinkie were the normal amount of sarcasm in a post in this thread, that post would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2016/02/27 22:59:22
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
If we are talking about the ones on the CIA and State Department payroll, I hope all of them.
Because in the Russia the population's made up of people who support the current regime, and those the regime's enemy's shipped in from abroad. Not a single native born Russia has voted against Putin's government ever. There is in fact no opposition parties at all, or if they do exist they are made up entirely of strawmen.
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I really need a sarcasm detector app or something like that... I am normally pretty good at picking up sarcasm, even on the internet, but Poe's Law is just too strong in this thread This was sarcastic, right?
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2016/03/01 06:13:50
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Yes, because Russians would never vote against officials they're cross with. It's clearly the west plotting against Russia, from inside the Russian people's own heads!
Oh boo-hoo. US spent 5 billion dollars officially which they were ready to admit on the "ukranian influence":
Five billion dollars over the 25 years since Ukraine was an independent country, coming out to 200 mil a year; almost certainly chump change compared to what Putin was spending to keep Ukraine under it's thumb (for instance, some estimates of the Yanukovych mansion go up to 300 mil). And a not insignificant sum (to the tune of $80 million) was spent as part of activities relating to Nunn-Lugar Co-operative Threat Reduction, that had it not taken place would at least have made Putin think twice about sending in his little green men.
Yes, because Russians would never vote against officials they're cross with. It's clearly the west plotting against Russia, from inside the Russian people's own heads!
Oh boo-hoo. US spent 5 billion dollars officially which they were ready to admit on the "ukranian influence":
Five billion dollars over the 25 years since Ukraine was an independent country, coming out to 200 mil a year; almost certainly chump change compared to what Putin was spending to keep Ukraine under it's thumb (for instance, some estimates of the Yanukovych mansion go up to 300 mil). And a not insignificant sum (to the tune of $80 million) was spent as part of activities relating to Nunn-Lugar Co-operative Threat Reduction, that had it not taken place would at least have made Putin think twice about sending in his little green men.
Yes, because Russians would never vote against officials they're cross with. It's clearly the west plotting against Russia, from inside the Russian people's own heads!
Oh boo-hoo. US spent 5 billion dollars officially which they were ready to admit on the "ukranian influence":
Five billion dollars over the 25 years since Ukraine was an independent country, coming out to 200 mil a year; almost certainly chump change compared to what Putin was spending to keep Ukraine under it's thumb (for instance, some estimates of the Yanukovych mansion go up to 300 mil). And a not insignificant sum (to the tune of $80 million) was spent as part of activities relating to Nunn-Lugar Co-operative Threat Reduction, that had it not taken place would at least have made Putin think twice about sending in his little green men.
In the city of Kostanay in northern Kazakhstan, the ribbon of St George, a black-and-orange symbol of resurgent Russian patriotism that was adopted by separatists in Ukraine, hangs from every second car's rear-view mirror.
Most people in this town and the surrounding region are ethnic Russians, distinct from the mainly Muslim ethnic Kazakhs who are in the majority nationwide and control the main levers of power in this oil-producing former Soviet state.
Demographically, the region therefore has much in common with Ukraine's Crimea peninsula and the eastern Donbass region, whose majority Russian-speaking populations pulled out of Kiev's orbit with help from Moscow.
There is no separatist rebellion in northern Kazakhstan, but the ethnic Russians, who make up more than a fifth of the country's 18 million population, are feeling increasingly insecure and some sympathize with the separatists in Ukraine.
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Some ethnic Russians in the region have gone further, and fought alongside the separatists in Ukraine.
Last February, a Kostanay court ordered the detention of two people who had fought in Ukraine. It is illegal under Kazakh law to participate in armed conflicts abroad.
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Though seriously, the chances of the Russians taking Kaz is a bit unlikely. Sure it has great mineral deposits, but the government's already under their boot. Unless the people pull a Euromaidan I don't see the point. Pulling a Crimea would just mean more mouths to feed.
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2016/03/04 15:49:33
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
In the city of Kostanay in northern Kazakhstan, the ribbon of St George, a black-and-orange symbol of resurgent Russian patriotism that was adopted by separatists in Ukraine, hangs from every second car's rear-view mirror.
Most people in this town and the surrounding region are ethnic Russians, distinct from the mainly Muslim ethnic Kazakhs who are in the majority nationwide and control the main levers of power in this oil-producing former Soviet state.
Demographically, the region therefore has much in common with Ukraine's Crimea peninsula and the eastern Donbass region, whose majority Russian-speaking populations pulled out of Kiev's orbit with help from Moscow.
There is no separatist rebellion in northern Kazakhstan, but the ethnic Russians, who make up more than a fifth of the country's 18 million population, are feeling increasingly insecure and some sympathize with the separatists in Ukraine.
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Some ethnic Russians in the region have gone further, and fought alongside the separatists in Ukraine.
Last February, a Kostanay court ordered the detention of two people who had fought in Ukraine. It is illegal under Kazakh law to participate in armed conflicts abroad.
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Though seriously, the chances of the Russians taking Kaz is a bit unlikely. Sure it has great mineral deposits, but the government's already under their boot. Unless the people pull a Euromaidan I don't see the point. Pulling a Crimea would just mean more mouths to feed.
Kazakhstan is pretty much safe, unless they suddenly start pissing Russia off or start infringing on Russian minority rights. Not that I see that happening anytime soon. Much of Kazakhstan's elite is ethnically Russian.
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2016/03/04 23:42:17
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
The elite's Russian, but the country was formed, seemingly like many Soviet states (presumably intentionally) from a Russian centric north and the rural Kazakhs. The Russians themselves have a large German/ central European population among them as well (not that that matters to Moscow). Besides the cultural difference, there's then the disparity over the economy given the government's not too into building infrastructure besides for industry.
Meh, we'll see what happens I guess. Kazakhstan isn't the powerhouse Ukraine was. The army's not too bad, but its not as if there's T-64s laying about every few paces. I seem to remember the subject was raised here years ago, and at the time the concern was that the rest of the world wouldn't abide Russia to invade the country. Sure they're under Moscow's thumb right now, but allowing the Russians a monopoly over all those minerals would allow them to blackmail the market into lifting sanctions. ...Just where do you think all your mobile phone and computer components come from?
Realistically though we're in a state of pre-WWII style appeasement when it comes to Moscow unfortunately.
2016/03/05 08:24:14
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
It's expected. Ukraine has been mostly forgotten, specially thanks to the mess that is the Syrian Civil War, in which, while NATO and Russia have different goals, they have been cooperating against common enemies.
And that war comes with the problem of refuges, so I imagine that the average European couldn't care less about Ukraine at this point.
2016/03/07 05:44:31
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Because in the Russia the population's made up of people who support the current regime, and those the regime's enemy's shipped in from abroad. Not a single native born Russia has voted against Putin's government ever. There is in fact no opposition parties at all, or if they do exist they are made up entirely of strawmen.
It's one thing to vote against/not vote at all for Putin and another to yup on every corner on money that come from abroad. I bet you never heard of CIA paying "dissidents" before. Anywhere.
Yes, because Russians would never vote against officials they're cross with. It's clearly the west plotting against Russia, from inside the Russian people's own heads!
Oh boo-hoo. US spent 5 billion dollars officially which they were ready to admit on the "ukranian influence":
Five billion dollars over the 25 years since Ukraine was an independent country, coming out to 200 mil a year; almost certainly chump change compared to what Putin was spending to keep Ukraine under it's thumb (for instance, some estimates of the Yanukovych mansion go up to 300 mil). And a not insignificant sum (to the tune of $80 million) was spent as part of activities relating to Nunn-Lugar Co-operative Threat Reduction, that had it not taken place would at least have made Putin think twice about sending in his little green men.
5 billion dollars officially. I ma pretty sure it was twice if not thrice that unofficially. Now if kindly tell us how much Russia gave anti-Russian Kravchuk, anti-Russian Leonid Kuchma, anti-Russian Yushchenko and corrupted Yanukovych personally so we would compare it would be dandy. Yanukovych build his mansion on money he has stolen from ukraine, he was an oligarch before he became a president and had a lot ways to steal when he became the president with Russia supplying with extra money.
Though seriously, the chances of the Russians taking Kaz is a bit unlikely. Sure it has great mineral deposits, but the government's already under their boot. Unless the people pull a Euromaidan I don't see the point. Pulling a Crimea would just mean more mouths to feed.
Here is your answer: "Most people in this town and the surrounding region are ethnic Russians, distinct from the mainly Muslim ethnic Kazakhs who are in the majority nationwide and control the main levers of power in this oil-producing former Soviet state. "
If a country tell you that you occupant even though all you life you worked for your money as did your parents and grandparents, there is high chance that somebody will take up arms. Sadly, Putin is coward and a traitor and he will never support ethnic Russians in Kazahia. So the upraise will most likely happen once he is hanged on lamp post.
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It's one thing to vote against/not vote at all for Putin and another to yup on every corner on money that come from abroad. I bet you never heard of CIA paying "dissidents" before. Anywhere.
Actually... yes. Though, at the time, the KGB was also doing it, all through Central and South America. Columbia had guys who would collect a paycheck from the CIA one week and the KGB the next.
China does the same thing in North America these days. They're much more open handed lending money at low interest rates to Native American nations, just to stir that particular pot, than US based banks. Russia really doesn't have the money anymore to deal in large scale international bribery like in the old days.
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Yaraton wrote: Ukrainian monkeys do what they do the best:
Your bigotry is showing.
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2016/03/08 21:56:29
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Actually... yes. Though, at the time, the KGB was also doing it, all through Central and South America. Columbia had guys who would collect a paycheck from the CIA one week and the KGB the next.
China does the same thing in North America these days. They're much more open handed lending money at low interest rates to Native American nations, just to stir that particular pot, than US based banks. Russia really doesn't have the money anymore to deal in large scale international bribery like in the old days.
And what exactly I was disputing that you had to say "Actually... yes."? I was talking about some Russian members of "opposition" being on CIA payroll. Nothing else. You are not engaging in "whataboutism", ain't you? For that would be ironic.
Your bigotry is showing.
I've only called those uncivilized Russophobic ukrainians who throw stones and paint "monkeys". With your complaint, you've made them all equal. Congrats.
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I've only called those uncivilized Russophobic ukrainians who throw stones and paint "monkeys". With your complaint, you've made them all equal.
I'm guessing English is not your first language (despite supposedly posting from Canada) but you had already done that by your word choice and sentence structure.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2016/03/08 23:26:16
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Yaraton wrote: It's one thing to vote against/not vote at all for Putin and another to yup on every corner on money that come from abroad. I bet you never heard of CIA paying "dissidents" before. Anywhere.
Back during the Cold War we did more than pay them, we gave them weapons and supplies, a fair chunk of the insurgents in the Middle East back then had weaponry given to them by the CIA.
As a concrete example the Bay of Pigs. Yes it was a horrible disaster, but we trained, armed and freakin transported them.
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Yaraton wrote: It's one thing to vote against/not vote at all for Putin and another to yup on every corner on money that come from abroad. I bet you never heard of CIA paying "dissidents" before. Anywhere.
Back during the Cold War we did more than pay them, we gave them weapons and supplies, a fair chunk of the insurgents in the Middle East back then had weaponry given to them by the CIA.
As a concrete example the Bay of Pigs. Yes it was a horrible disaster, but we trained, armed and freakin transported them.
I don't know why you guys are still bothering with him, he's just insulting you in every thread.
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2016/03/08 23:43:33
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
I've only called those uncivilized Russophobic ukrainians who throw stones and paint "monkeys". With your complaint, you've made them all equal.
I'm guessing English is not your first language (despite supposedly posting from Canada) but you had already done that by your word choice and sentence structure.
Well first of all, Canada has two official languages, so I could be a Francophone. Second, you just quote me without adding anything of your own. I am done talking to you.
Yaraton wrote: It's one thing to vote against/not vote at all for Putin and another to yup on every corner on money that come from abroad. I bet you never heard of CIA paying "dissidents" before. Anywhere.
Back during the Cold War we did more than pay them, we gave them weapons and supplies, a fair chunk of the insurgents in the Middle East back then had weaponry given to them by the CIA.
As a concrete example the Bay of Pigs. Yes it was a horrible disaster, but we trained, armed and freakin transported them.
I don't know why you guys are still bothering with him, he's just insulting you in every thread.
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