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2016/03/30 14:14:43
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/03/30 14:29:41
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Iron_Captain wrote: Are you really calling one of the greatest Russian writers in modern times a liar?
Fantasy writers are not "liars", they have vivid imagination.
As do you, it seems.
But I take Solzhenitsyn's imagination of Gulag as more credible than that of a random guy from Canada on an internet forum about toy soldiers.
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2016/03/30 14:54:31
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Iron_Captain wrote: Are you really calling one of the greatest Russian writers in modern times a liar?
Fantasy writers are not "liars", they have vivid imagination.
As do you, it seems.
But I take Solzhenitsyn's imagination of Gulag as more credible than that of a random guy from Canada on an internet forum about toy soldiers.
Good for you. Not that it changes anything for me.
Who is that moron, who thought that posting a video of an "American soldier", dressed like an airsofter Delta wannabe and shooting Koran with an AK 100s series is going to fly? I smell a rat that secretly works for CIA. It was just too easy to debunk and made it into "OMG Kremlin troll factory at it again!"
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Freakazoitt wrote: US soldier with civilian Saiga carbine? what's the point?
And how to join Troll Army? I need money
Wait, I could get paid for making these posts on Dakka? I want to join Troll Army too! But for all the 'reporting' Western media does about it, it seems to be impossible to actually find... :(
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2016/03/31 12:42:42
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
I'm still wondering how he got off, like...he's on camera, in multiple instances from both Western and non-Western media, from even back in like 1995, having talked about organizing the attack & massacre on Zvornik, ethnically cleansing northeastern Bosnia, etc and about how his militias did such a great job through it all.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
2016/04/01 00:48:10
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
And how would this change that perception? Seselj should never have been brought before that court in the first place as he was clearly innocent. Meanwhile, people who were obviously guilty, such as Gotovina have been released. The ICTY is a typical example of victor's justice.
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Vaktathi wrote: I'm still wondering how he got off, like...he's on camera, in multiple instances from both Western and non-Western media, from even back in like 1995, having talked about organizing the attack & massacre on Zvornik, ethnically cleansing northeastern Bosnia, etc and about how his militias did such a great job through it all.
Because that is all he did. Talking. He never actually did anything nor was actually in charge of any armed group. He was nothing but a loudmouth ultranationalist politician with despicable ideas, not an actual war criminal. He really reminds me of Zhirinovsky...
Vaktathi wrote: I'm still wondering how he got off, like...he's on camera, in multiple instances from both Western and non-Western media, from even back in like 1995, having talked about organizing the attack & massacre on Zvornik, ethnically cleansing northeastern Bosnia, etc and about how his militias did such a great job through it all.
Welcome to International courts. They're kind of ridiculous that way
I still remember that guy from Macedonia. What's his name? He had those Pakistanis murdered by his SWAT team (who had some Mussolini quote as their slogan) and made up some story about how he'd stop a terrorist plot. That guy got off too, and it was absolutely ridiculous.
And how would this change that perception? Seselj should never have been brought before that court in the first place as he was clearly innocent. Meanwhile, people who were obviously guilty, such as Gotovina have been released. The ICTY is a typical example of victor's justice.
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Vaktathi wrote: I'm still wondering how he got off, like...he's on camera, in multiple instances from both Western and non-Western media, from even back in like 1995, having talked about organizing the attack & massacre on Zvornik, ethnically cleansing northeastern Bosnia, etc and about how his militias did such a great job through it all.
Because that is all he did. Talking. He never actually did anything nor was actually in charge of any armed group. He was nothing but a loudmouth ultranationalist politician with despicable ideas, not an actual war criminal.
He really reminds me of Zhirinovsky...
Interesting...that's a somewhat odd turn, but an amusing one, someone talking themselves into war crimes charges by being an donkey-cave and claiming to have been in charge of a bunch of terrible people and acts...but really was just a rear-echelon blowhard. Sad...but amusing.
Vaktathi wrote: I'm still wondering how he got off, like...he's on camera, in multiple instances from both Western and non-Western media, from even back in like 1995, having talked about organizing the attack & massacre on Zvornik, ethnically cleansing northeastern Bosnia, etc and about how his militias did such a great job through it all.
Welcome to International courts. They're kind of ridiculous that way
I still remember that guy from Macedonia. What's his name? He had those Pakistanis murdered by his SWAT team (who had some Mussolini quote as their slogan) and made up some story about how he'd stop a terrorist plot. That guy got off too, and it was absolutely ridiculous.
Hrm, I'm not familiar with that incident, was it relatively recent?
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
2016/04/01 01:58:02
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
The incident recently featured in a Cracked article (#4) which is why I remembered it, though apparently not accurately. Ljube Boškoski was not brought before the Hague for the Raštanski Lozja incident but on other charges that happened during the Albanian Insurgency in Macedonia beforehand.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/04/01 10:31:27
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
The man who came in to make "the tough decisions which nobody would like" is on his way out. As the guy with Western backing some people'll be looking a bit red faced over this. ...Especially that he's inexplicably a Billion dollars richer that he was before Euromaidan.
The Ukrainian Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, has announced he will resign next week, blaming politicians' failure to enact "real changes".
Mr Yatsenyuk, in office since former pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in February 2014, said he would inform parliament on Tuesday.
The current President, Petro Poroshenko, asked him to quit in February, saying he had lost support.
His government has been accused of inaction and corruption.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has threatened to withhold aid money if it does not carry out reforms.
Resignation tweet by Arseniy YatsenyukImage copyrightother
Parliamentary Speaker Volodymyr Groysman has been nominated by Mr Poroshenko's party to replace Mr Yatsenyuk.
Announcing his resignation on Twitter, Mr Yatsenyuk called for the formation of a new government immediately to prevent "destabilization of [the] executive branch during a war".
The government in Kiev is signed up to an uneasy truce with pro-Russian rebels in two of Ukraine's eastern regions, with frequent ceasefire violations reported.
Russia itself annexed the southern region of Crimea two years ago after a controversial referendum on self-determination.
US Vice-President Joe Biden, in a call to Mr Yatsenyuk on Sunday, congratulated him on "accomplishments over the past two years", including economic reforms, but said "these changes must be irreversible".
Poroshenko's chance: Analysis by Tom Burridge, BBC News, Lviv
Ukrainian Parliament Speaker Volodymyr Groysman attends a parliament session in Kiev, Ukraine, March 29, 2016Image copyrightReuters
Image caption
Volodymyr Groysman is next in line
Arseniy Yatsenyuk's resignation comes as no surprise. According to opinion polls, his party's popularity had plummeted and he narrowly survived a vote of no confidence in parliament in February.
President Petro Poroshenko could now consolidate his power if he can install Volodymyr Groysman, a member of his own party, as the next prime minister.
Mr Poroshenko and a new government will be under intense pressure, both from Ukraine's European and American partners, and the Ukrainian people, to implement real reform.
Several high-profile reformers have left the government in recent weeks, claiming it was failing to tackle corruption.
"As of today," Mr Yatsenyuk tweeted on Sunday, "my goals are broader: new electoral law, Constitutional reform, Judicial reform, Ukraine's membership in the EU and NATO."
Ukraine's EU ambitions suffered a setback on 6 April when voters in the Netherlands roundly rejected a landmark EU trade deal with the former Soviet state in a referendum.
Dutch referendum a difficult result for EU and Ukraine
Mr Yatsenyuk came to power promising to tackle corruption and implement economic reforms but has increasingly become the focus of accusations of corruption, even though no concrete evidence was produced.
Western governments have expressed concern over the resignation of reform-minded figures from the government.
President Poroshenko himself came under scrutiny this week after leaked documents suggested he had set up an offshore company as a tax haven using Panamanian legal firm Mossack Fonseca.
He said he had done nothing wrong and Ukrainian prosecution officials said there was no evidence of a crime but there were calls for his impeachment.
As the Russian internet is putting it...
Spoiler:
"Sorry gentlemen, now it is high time for me to leave"
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2016/04/11 02:31:11
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Wyrmalla wrote: The man who came in to make "the tough decisions which nobody would like" is on his way out. As the guy with Western backing some people'll be looking a bit red faced over this. ...Especially that he's inexplicably a Billion dollars richer that he was before Euromaidan.
The Ukrainian Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, has announced he will resign next week, blaming politicians' failure to enact "real changes".
Mr Yatsenyuk, in office since former pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in February 2014, said he would inform parliament on Tuesday. The current President, Petro Poroshenko, asked him to quit in February, saying he had lost support. His government has been accused of inaction and corruption.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has threatened to withhold aid money if it does not carry out reforms.
Resignation tweet by Arseniy YatsenyukImage copyrightother
Parliamentary Speaker Volodymyr Groysman has been nominated by Mr Poroshenko's party to replace Mr Yatsenyuk. Announcing his resignation on Twitter, Mr Yatsenyuk called for the formation of a new government immediately to prevent "destabilization of [the] executive branch during a war". The government in Kiev is signed up to an uneasy truce with pro-Russian rebels in two of Ukraine's eastern regions, with frequent ceasefire violations reported. Russia itself annexed the southern region of Crimea two years ago after a controversial referendum on self-determination. US Vice-President Joe Biden, in a call to Mr Yatsenyuk on Sunday, congratulated him on "accomplishments over the past two years", including economic reforms, but said "these changes must be irreversible".
Poroshenko's chance: Analysis by Tom Burridge, BBC News, Lviv
Ukrainian Parliament Speaker Volodymyr Groysman attends a parliament session in Kiev, Ukraine, March 29, 2016Image copyrightReuters Image caption
Volodymyr Groysman is next in line
Arseniy Yatsenyuk's resignation comes as no surprise. According to opinion polls, his party's popularity had plummeted and he narrowly survived a vote of no confidence in parliament in February. President Petro Poroshenko could now consolidate his power if he can install Volodymyr Groysman, a member of his own party, as the next prime minister.
Mr Poroshenko and a new government will be under intense pressure, both from Ukraine's European and American partners, and the Ukrainian people, to implement real reform. Several high-profile reformers have left the government in recent weeks, claiming it was failing to tackle corruption.
"As of today," Mr Yatsenyuk tweeted on Sunday, "my goals are broader: new electoral law, Constitutional reform, Judicial reform, Ukraine's membership in the EU and NATO."
Ukraine's EU ambitions suffered a setback on 6 April when voters in the Netherlands roundly rejected a landmark EU trade deal with the former Soviet state in a referendum. Dutch referendum a difficult result for EU and Ukraine
Mr Yatsenyuk came to power promising to tackle corruption and implement economic reforms but has increasingly become the focus of accusations of corruption, even though no concrete evidence was produced.
Western governments have expressed concern over the resignation of reform-minded figures from the government.
President Poroshenko himself came under scrutiny this week after leaked documents suggested he had set up an offshore company as a tax haven using Panamanian legal firm Mossack Fonseca. He said he had done nothing wrong and Ukrainian prosecution officials said there was no evidence of a crime but there were calls for his impeachment.
As the Russian internet is putting it...
[spoiler] "Sorry gentlemen, now it is high time for me to leave"
[/spoiler]
Yatsenyuk is a smart man. He may be a rat who abandons a sinking ship, but he is a very rich rat now He can now retire somewhere nice (i.e. far from Ukraine) and be safe when the whole thing inevitably comes down. Meanwhile, Groysman, his replacement is just as corrupt, if not worse (this is Ukraine, so it is probably going to be worse) He is also a Jew, which won't sit well with certain influential "elements" in the country.
And Putin's national guard is only interesting in that it answers to Putin personally, rather than to the FSB. Apart from that it is just another tool in the heroic and glorious fight to save Holy Mother Russia from evil terrorists and organised criminals such as Navalny and Pussy Riot. Also interesting is that the law specifically does not allow them to shoot pregnant women, disabled people, kids and crowds. "Don't worry however comrade praporshchik, shooting people who are not in crowds is still totally fine!"
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2016/04/11 02:35:25
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Wyrmalla wrote: The man who came in to make "the tough decisions which nobody would like" is on his way out. As the guy with Western backing some people'll be looking a bit red faced over this. ...Especially that he's inexplicably a Billion dollars richer that he was before Euromaidan.
The Ukrainian Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, has announced he will resign next week, blaming politicians' failure to enact "real changes".
Mr Yatsenyuk, in office since former pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in February 2014, said he would inform parliament on Tuesday.
The current President, Petro Poroshenko, asked him to quit in February, saying he had lost support.
His government has been accused of inaction and corruption.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has threatened to withhold aid money if it does not carry out reforms.
Resignation tweet by Arseniy YatsenyukImage copyrightother
Parliamentary Speaker Volodymyr Groysman has been nominated by Mr Poroshenko's party to replace Mr Yatsenyuk.
Announcing his resignation on Twitter, Mr Yatsenyuk called for the formation of a new government immediately to prevent "destabilization of [the] executive branch during a war".
The government in Kiev is signed up to an uneasy truce with pro-Russian rebels in two of Ukraine's eastern regions, with frequent ceasefire violations reported.
Russia itself annexed the southern region of Crimea two years ago after a controversial referendum on self-determination.
US Vice-President Joe Biden, in a call to Mr Yatsenyuk on Sunday, congratulated him on "accomplishments over the past two years", including economic reforms, but said "these changes must be irreversible".
Poroshenko's chance: Analysis by Tom Burridge, BBC News, Lviv
Ukrainian Parliament Speaker Volodymyr Groysman attends a parliament session in Kiev, Ukraine, March 29, 2016Image copyrightReuters
Image caption
Volodymyr Groysman is next in line
Arseniy Yatsenyuk's resignation comes as no surprise. According to opinion polls, his party's popularity had plummeted and he narrowly survived a vote of no confidence in parliament in February.
President Petro Poroshenko could now consolidate his power if he can install Volodymyr Groysman, a member of his own party, as the next prime minister.
Mr Poroshenko and a new government will be under intense pressure, both from Ukraine's European and American partners, and the Ukrainian people, to implement real reform.
Several high-profile reformers have left the government in recent weeks, claiming it was failing to tackle corruption.
"As of today," Mr Yatsenyuk tweeted on Sunday, "my goals are broader: new electoral law, Constitutional reform, Judicial reform, Ukraine's membership in the EU and NATO."
Ukraine's EU ambitions suffered a setback on 6 April when voters in the Netherlands roundly rejected a landmark EU trade deal with the former Soviet state in a referendum.
Dutch referendum a difficult result for EU and Ukraine
Mr Yatsenyuk came to power promising to tackle corruption and implement economic reforms but has increasingly become the focus of accusations of corruption, even though no concrete evidence was produced.
Western governments have expressed concern over the resignation of reform-minded figures from the government.
President Poroshenko himself came under scrutiny this week after leaked documents suggested he had set up an offshore company as a tax haven using Panamanian legal firm Mossack Fonseca.
He said he had done nothing wrong and Ukrainian prosecution officials said there was no evidence of a crime but there were calls for his impeachment.
As the Russian internet is putting it...
[spoiler] "Sorry gentlemen, now it is high time for me to leave"
[/spoiler]
Yatsenyuk is a smart man. He may be a rat who abandons a sinking ship, but he is a very rich rat now He can now retire somewhere nice (i.e. far from Ukraine) and be safe when the whole thing inevitably comes down. Meanwhile, Groysman, his replacement is just as corrupt, if not worse (this is Ukraine, so it is probably going to be worse) He is also a Jew, which won't sit well with certain influential "elements" in the country.
And Putin's national guard is only interesting in that it answers to Putin personally, rather than to the FSB. Apart from that it is just another tool in the heroic and glorious fight to save Holy Mother Russia from evil terrorists and organised criminals such as Navalny and Pussy Riot. Also interesting is that the law specifically does not allow them to shoot pregnant women, disabled people, kids and crowds. I know this was meant to be reassuring, but it makes me slightly worried instead. Apparently it is totally fine for them to shoot people as long as they aren't in crowds...
I take it that you're not a big fan of Vladimir Vladimirovich?
Proud Purveyor Of The Unconventional In 40k
2016/04/11 02:36:53
Subject: Re:Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
He is my greatest hero. He saved Russia and liberated my hometown.
He might be a god too...
I might not agree with all his moves on the international stage since he's been in power, I do admire his drive and grit. Plus the fact that he understands realpolitik and doesn't take gak from anyone.
This is my favorite Putinism:
I remember watching that and laughed my ass off.
Proud Purveyor Of The Unconventional In 40k
2016/04/11 15:50:25
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Freakazoitt wrote: Another view of new tank.
Reminds me a German E-50 project (because it's designed by AZOV )
I doubt highly that 70 year old German tank designs that never made it much past a drawing board are actively informing any modern design efforts. That said, the thing does look rather goofy, like a Lego tank scaled up to full size
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New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
2016/04/12 01:38:16
Subject: Ukraine: Witness the rise of a new Russian Empire, live!
Vaktathi wrote: I doubt highly that 70 year old German tank designs that never made it much past a drawing board are actively informing any modern design efforts.
Ehhh..... actually... the same people behind the E-50 also produced the Leopard series MBT. And the minds behind it worship nazis, supposedly, so.... yeah.
In all honesty though it more closely resembles the proposed Indien Panzer, designed by Benz and Porche. The turret armor is more angular. The way they have the turret laid out, frontal angles have minimal ERA protection though. That's bad in this age of high accuracy shaped munitions. Depending on the type of ERA on the front slope, that *might* protect it. but I'm dubious.
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