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 PotentiallyLethal wrote:
Oh well, for digital subscriptions at least - Apple says GW, GW says Apple - neither will give me a refund :(

Not pleased

Direct debit or credit card?

If credit card get them to refund your money

As I see it, apple are just the distributor. Gw took the lions share of the money (60%). They are also the ones who decided to change the product you subscribed to. I'd be gunning for them to refund first. If you paid by credit card, explain to your c/c company you haven't recieved the product you paid for. They'll refund you and go after them.


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To be honest, if there's a big kerfuffle, chances are, gw will lose their ability to distribute via the iBookstore etc. Apple don't like refunding money, nor bad publicity, nor legal wrangling.

What would be funny is if gw tried to take apple to court.

 Eggs wrote:
What would be funny is if gw tried to take apple to court.

YES! I'm looking forward to my next dose of schadenfreude.

It'd be like a watching a lion rape a sheep... but in a bad way...

 spaceelf wrote:
Just wait until GW gives their rules a similar 'upgrade' There will be a picture of space marines shooting tyranids. Roll dice, remove models. Then there will be a picture with no Tyranids.

So whats the price tag of the weekly WD?

I strongly suspect the 'Visions' magazine is part of the luxury-branding plan of the execs, the execs with no idea how the games work or the difference between an ork or a dwarf.

It's likely built around the idea of continuing to shrink the customer base and continue to raise the 'exclusivity' of the product.

I feel they may regret their lack of market-testing in the long run, as treating plastic toy soldiers like faberge eggs is not going to keep GW in a healthy state...

This magazine is worthless to me and, I suspect, most GW customers. It's only potential usefulness is that the pictures may pique some interest from a stranger to the product, in a doctor's waiting room, after the magazine is dumped there along with all the other magazines noone has use for.

 DarkWind wrote:

 spaceelf wrote:
Just wait until GW gives their rules a similar 'upgrade' There will be a picture of space marines shooting tyranids. Roll dice, remove models. Then there will be a picture with no Tyranids.

So whats the price tag of the weekly WD?

The same as a paint pot, so that means 3.20€ today, 3.5€ next week and 40€ by the time the shareholders report hits the street.

M.

Wasn't impressed with the content of this new mag - won't be buying it again.
New WD is very streamlined which is good and bad at the same time.
I'll buy the WD again but visions can stay on the shelf for me, give it a year and they will change it over again

 PotentiallyLethal wrote:
Oh well, for digital subscriptions at least - Apple says GW, GW says Apple - neither will give me a refund :(

Not pleased

I'm sure this was deliberately set up. After Finecast I think GW realizes customers will return their lowest-quality products and wants to try and reverse that.

Haven't been posting in ages but this has generated some serious rage!

1. No artwork? (Almost) no text? Pictures of stuff i already saw last month, including the same paint splatter guides? AND then you want to change my subscription to this instead of WD weekly?
2. Having watched the youtube review, I wanted to think Monty was being harsh, but the layout is terrible and the quality of photos is horrendous, with no zoom or rotation? Is there a point . . . NO
3. Just to make it even worse lets put everything on a pale white photoshopped background, and not even check to see if we cut off an entire section of a model. I'm looking at you Avatar, bottom half is there below the hand but the rest of the spear is missing. How about you go back to proper photography?
4. This is a joke and even worse is that there's no nice version of WD weekly, the ebook one is a poor comparison to the not so bad print copy.

Following everyone else and will cancelling my subscription.

GW, your miniatures are awesome, most of the time, but what did you do to WD? This coming from a long standing GW fan, with WD back to the copy with the battle report where Tycho actually had his face stuffed by an ork weirdboy (for those younger people, this is where the fluff came from!) think it was 1994 or so.

I'll still buy the models but no more WD for me or visions or whatever it's going to be called. I doubt it will last 6 months

 PotentiallyLethal wrote:
Oh well, for digital subscriptions at least - Apple says GW, GW says Apple - neither will give me a refund :(

Not pleased

Write a polite letter to the head of each company, and send it by registered post to the company's registered office.

Tell them you don't like the new magazine because it is completely different to the magazine for which you bought a subscription. Tell them that you do not consider it an acceptable substitution, so you want a refund of your subscription.

Write also that you already have asked both companies for a refund and in each case you have been referred to the other company, and that is why you are taking the trouble to write to both because there seems to be a mixup in their refund departments.

Ask the CEO if he would kindly make sure your complaint is acted on.

Keep copies of both letters and the registered posting certificates.

Right, following e-mail sent to Apple customer services, beacuse GW's digital refund page is useless:

"Hello,

There has recently been a substantial change to the "White Dwarf" newsstand app that I purchased last September. The magazine has been rebranded as "Warhammer Visions" and the content has significantly changed, such that it no longer resembles the product I originally purchased and does not meet my needs.

As a result of these changes I wish to cancel my subscription to this product and be refunded for the 8-months of the originally advertised product I have not received (7-months still to be issued and this month's issue, which does not in any way resemble the product I purchased).

I have tried to use the distributor's refund process, which advised me to use the "report a problem" function in the iTunes purchase history, however when I have clicked on the button it does not provide me with any of the options to enter the order information or my request for a refund.

I look forward to your help in this matter,

[signature deleted]"

We'll see what comes of it, but I'm not holding much hope. I'd only been subscribing since they introduced the digital version (it was a nice Saturday morning read in bed) and whilst I can't speak from experience of it's heyday, it was still a fairly interesting, if light read. Emphasis on the word READ. Not something you can do with this new...whatever this is.

Also interesting that the sneak peak stuff from Forgeworld now appears to be in their new weekly "blog"; I wonder if they had enough independence to see the writing on the wall and jump ship to do their own thing?

I had a look at White Dwarf 159 today. In it we have:

1. New releases/news. A single page.
2. Five pages in, and we're at a six page article for Eldar rules in Tyranid Attack, including two pages of print-out artefact, psychic power and warrior ability cards.
3. Next up we have an article with the full rules for Marine and Eldar Scouts, which came out that month (these are RT/1st Ed rules).
4. The ever-present store finder. Back 1993 this only took up a page.
5. Several 'Eavy Metal pages, including a few of those "Base Coat/Slight Highlights/Uber-Detail" step-by-step guides that never made any sense. This doubles as a "new release" show case, as it has the a lot of the new models for that month (including the Iron Priest, priced at £3.99 (for reference, it's £12 now, so 300% the cost, and made from a cheaper material to the lead it was originally made out of).
6. Full rules for Gorfang Rotgut, a new Orc character released that month.
7. Pages for the grand openings of the Belfast and Worcester stores, including multiple 10% and 25% off coupons. I almost want to scan them in to prove that they are real. I can attest that GW coupons were real. I used some to get really cheap Chimeras (bought 4 and got 2 free) when the Sydney City store opened.
8. Full rules and fluff for the newly released Tzeentchian Daemon engines (Silver Tower, Doom Wing and Fire Lord). This is for Epic. Includes print out templates and cards.
9. The Petersborough and Cheltnam grand opening pages, again with coupons.
10. A new quest for Advanced Heroquest including background, rules, maps and counters. This is a 12 page article of mostly text.
11. Reminders that Guildford and Thurrock Lakeside are open, but no coupons. One imagines the coupons for them came in an earlier issue.
12. Battle for Iron Peak, a 17-page Orc v Dwarf battle report between Jervis and Bill King, complete with fluff, army selection explanations, detailed turn-by-turn accounts, maps updated by turns, and summations at the end by both players. You tell me what you prefer, that or a 4-page textless photobomb like the one in 'Visions'.
13. More value - the Colchester grand opening with yet more coupons!
14. The mail-order section with the form and the numbers (this is pre-Internet days kids, when to phone someone you had to use a land line).
15. Then a product list including that month's new releases (Fantasy Fighters, High Elf War Griffon, Imperial Hero Riding Pegasus, Orc Chieftain, Orc Command Group, Orc Boyz, Big 'Uns, Tyranid Attack boxed game, Iron Priests, Servitors, Blood Angel Tactical Squad, Fire Lord, Doom Wing, Silver Towers).
16. Included, in a similar style to today, were bundle deals so you could buy either or the armies that were used in that month's battle report. The kicker? Both deals are +/- 15% off retail. It even says what the normal total would be and what the deal's total actually is.
17. It also talks about calling up for 'deals of the week'. Hmm...
18. Twelve pages showing off the raw metal/bitz of most of that month's new releases/featured miniatures, including all their part codes for ordering.

Or there's this.

What the actual feth?

If you're unable to make your way to a store and purchase the new visions magazine perhaps this will ease your pain.

http://kotaku.com/check-out-this-amazing-warhammer-40k-collection-from-ko-1513110478

That's a pretty decent collection really.

Photos are nice -- the right way round --- there's lots of different armies.

and you can't really complain about the price either.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I had a look at White Dwarf 159 today.

Okay, I'll do my oldest WD, 230

3 pages of index and WD team bios
4 pages of news and new releases (mostly text)
19 pages on collecting a skaven army, including two 2-page army shots, otherwise lots of text and some conversions
10 pages of tactics for and against skaven
3-page comic excerpt from Warhammer Monthly
11 page feature on new CSM releases (with Fabius Bile's entry copy/pasted from the codex)
10 pages of pics of GD winners
2 pages of store locator
3 pages of new store openings, with coupons
2 page skaven army showcase
7 page Chapter Approved: first 3rd edition Necron army list and scenario
1 page 40k FAQ
1 page new rules for CSM Cult Terminators
4 pages on one WHFB regiment of renown, including full rules
2 pages converting a Bloodthirster
2 pages readers' letters
18 pages battlereport of White Scars vs Black Legion with enough text to know where everything is at any point; also includes new rules for White Scars
12 page catalog and order form showcasing all the models from this issue

Oh yeah, it also included a cardboard summary sheet for the 40k 3rd edition rulebook.

 reds8n wrote:
If you're unable to make your way to a store and purchase the new visions magazine perhaps this will ease your pain.

http://kotaku.com/check-out-this-amazing-warhammer-40k-collection-from-ko-1513110478

That's a pretty decent collection really.

Photos are nice -- the right way round --- there's lots of different armies.

and you can't really complain about the price either.

That's nice

No necrons though

I have a WD about no.115 somewhere, two copies actually because it had additional floor panels for 1st edition Spulk.

In those days they still covered non-GW games, like Runequest (published under licence in the UK by GW.)

Visions was rubbish. I'll keep looking for inspiration in the galleries here.

WD was actually much better than I expected.At the price of a coffee it had some atricles with enough substance to be worth eadind e.g. JJ. on pre-game scouting. I bought this issue, future purchases will be on a per issue basis. Enough good stuff then I'll buy it.

White Dwarf #219:

* 4 pages of "News" showing that month's releases: GorkaMorka Rebel Grots, the republishing of Blood Bowl, new Bloodthirster, blisters for Chaos Beastmen and Marauders, Eldar Fire Prism grav-tank and re-released Eldar Guardians plastic (the old monopose plastics I believe) now with Shuriken Catapults versus Lasguns.

* 9 pages showcasing Khornate Daemons, talking about choices for army composition and a sample army list for a small but fearsome 2,770 point Khorne army led by a Daemon Prince and Bloodthirster and consisting of 40 Bloodletters, 10 Flesh hounds and 2 Spawn. This includes one page of rules for the Bloodthirster.

* single page advertisement for Blood Bowl

* 2 pages showing the new Chaos metal blister packs: Warriors, Marauders, Ungor Skirmishers w/Command, Minotaur Standard Bearer

* 4 pages showing the then-new Fire Prism grav-tank, including its datafax sheet and fluff in the form of an Imperial transmission.

* 2 pages showing off the Studio Biel-Tan craftworld Eldar

* 6 pages showing the Rebel Grots for Gorkamorka including how to build an initial Gorkamorka army, how to paint Grots by the big Ork, Adrian "Grand Warlord" Wood, himself, brief tactics and rules for the Red Gobbo special character.

* 10 pages featuring Part 2 of the legendary Tale of Four Gamers (the original), IMO the best article series to ever grace the pages of White Dwarf. Enough said.

* One page advertising Issue #5 of Inferno, which I think was a Warhammer comic? Never bought it.

* One page spread about applying to GW US.

* 4 pages showing the stores in the US, GW and independent retailers, with a full page to dedicated to Challenge Games in Jolie, IL that showcases some amazing looking terrain including a lizardman temple and a several story Necromunda building

* 2 pages for the upcoming Games Day/Golden Daemon of 1998

* 4 pages for the upcoming computer game Shadow of the Horned Rat

* 1 page advertisement for the Digganob expansion to Gorkamorka

* 7 pages of Adrian Wood talking about making terrain for Gorkamorka

* 7 pages of Part 1 of Stillmania: Questing for the Grail, IMO the second greatest series to ever grace the pages of White Dwarf. Nigel talks about the "proper" way to build a Bretonnian army, or any army really.

* 4 pages for the 1998 Canadian Grand Tournament

* 15 pages dedicated to a Blood Angels vs. Eldar battle report with lots of army discussion, strategy, tactical maps and the like. The Eldar win 21 to 16, but whether or not this was to promote the Fire Prism is a mystery to me. To put this into perspective this 2000 point Blood Angels army consists of:

- Two 5-man Assault squads
- Two 5-man Tactical squads
- One 5-man Terminator squad
- One 5-man Scout squad
- One Dreadnought
- One Landspeeder
- One Predator
- Captain, Librarian, Techmarine

which just for laughs I converted to 6th edition and it came to about 1,070 points. Keep in mind during this time the grand tournaments were 1,500 points as well so this was a "large" battle of 40k that you didn't usually play.

* 17 pages of Mail Order, including a special offer for a limited edition Thunderhawk Gunship not meant for the game (it specifically states "We have specifically not produced rules or datafaxes for this set as it is not meant in any way, shape or form to be used in your games of 40k") for $500.

* 2 pages for a subscription to White Dwarf including mail order form, which was $50 for 1 year and you could get a $12.50 boxed set free or get $12.50 off of a larger order. With a 2 year subscription @ $95 you could get any army book or codex free or get $25 off a larger order.

It's just amazing to see how much less The HOBby is nowadays.

White Dwarf #137 (which arrived in the post this morning)

Rather than a page by page break down, I will focus on actual articles...

Cover - Great painting of a Blood Angels Captain fending off an attack by a Scavvy Gang by shooting them in the face with a bolt gun.

Preview of Golden Demon, which looks like a blast (6 pages)

Liveries for Bretonnian Foot Troops (2 pages) and then a cut out army book section for these troop types (1 page)

A strong contender for greatest WD article ever - Andy Chambers talks through his Skaven army (15 pages including full page colour photos)

Modelling Workshop: Warhammer Town House (8 pages including the templates)

Space Hulk Missions (9 pages)

Rules for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay NPCs based on characters from the Storm Warriors novel (6 pages)

Combat Rules and Trading Charts for Confrontation - the precursor to Necromunda (about 20 odd pages)

I only bought this for the Modelling Workshop, but it is a fantastic read - It shows what can be produced when WD is run by enthusiasts rather than yes men.

 PotentiallyLethal wrote:
Oh well, for digital subscriptions at least - Apple says GW, GW says Apple - neither will give me a refund :(

Not pleased

Just put a stop payment through your credit card company. First one that sends you a letter or phone call gets the ear full.

The white dwarf weekly is a tool to get players to come in every week to buy the book and get in some nice impulse buying.

Shame nothings cheap enough to impulse buy.

The warhammer visions seems like it would be nice if it were a quarterly thing. And if it were art, not just model photos. This is a shame.

Let's check back in six months. Maybe they'll have worn in their new boots a bit and something will be worth a buy.

 Flashman wrote:
Cover - Great painting of a Blood Angels Captain fending off an attack by a Scavvy Gang by shooting them in the face with a bolt gun.

I remember that picture. Really shows you what a bolter does to an unarmoured target!

Man, I hate you guys, making me all nostalgic. I thought "I'm gonna go and dig out my box of WD's" and then I remembered my mum chucked them out years ago when I moved out of the family home, over 100 issues :*(

Ooh, I think I still have a few SG mags though, I might reread some Town Criers.

It's a bit impotent but after having received the latest newsletter and getting annoyed by them promoting W:Visions I cancelled the newsletter option on my account. I also sent an email to them explaining my annoyance at all of this change.

Not allot else I can do.

I honestly like the new format. They never said it wwouldn't be anything unlike what it is. They stated that the weekly Dwarve would more in-depth that the monthly. The only thing I don't like about the monthly was that it doesn't feature many conversions. The new monthly reminds me of the old catalog they used to put out. I never had a subscription to the previous monthly editions, I always bought one's that had articles I was interested in. That's just my opinion.

IMHO Warhammer Visions would be less BS if GW didn't skimp on the studio painters - that way, close ups and multi-views of the studio models would actually reveal technique... not sloppy, indifferent paintwork.

I remember in 3rd and 4th when the 'Eavy Metal paintjobs were a level that I could never hope to achieve. The paint work on the modern studio pieces I could match even if I was painting drunk.

As it stands, I feel that something like Warhammer Visions should have been made into a quarterly hardcover large format publication, which is 75% non-studio work and that the new releases should just be axed from it, or at least, made into 10% of the book.

 Lefblade wrote:
I honestly like the new format. They never said it wouldn't be anything unlike what it is. They stated that the weekly Dwarve would more in-depth that the monthly. The only thing I don't like about the monthly was that it doesn't feature many conversions. The new monthly reminds me of the old catalog they used to put out. I never had a subscription to the previous monthly editions, I always bought one's that had articles I was interested in. That's just my opinion.

May I ask what age group you fall into. ? As I am trying to understand who GW's aiming for.

 loki old fart wrote:

 Lefblade wrote:
I honestly like the new format. They never said it wouldn't be anything unlike what it is. They stated that the weekly Dwarve would more in-depth that the monthly. The only thing I don't like about the monthly was that it doesn't feature many conversions. The new monthly reminds me of the old catalog they used to put out. I never had a subscription to the previous monthly editions, I always bought one's that had articles I was interested in. That's just my opinion.

May I ask what age group you fall into. ? As I am trying to understand who GW's aiming for.

Profile says he's 22.