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2014/02/05 05:33:35
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Next round
Hellbrute, lc, ml @140
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Havoc+1, chmp with combiweapon, 4ac @140
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Havoc+2, 4 ac@ 145
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Pred, anihilator@140
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Pred, side lc, hml, combi bolter, wf gargoyle @ 137
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Pair of oblits 140
Which would you use as a cheap longrange unit?
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2014/02/05 06:06:06
Subject: Re:helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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4 Havoks with 4 autocannons is what I'm adding to my army, that's (8) STR 7 AP 4 shots going down range. It cost less than a forgefiend, -1 STR, same AP, but longer range and a higher BS. 
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2014/02/05 06:59:08
Subject: Re:helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu
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I would go for 2x2 oblits and a las-predator. That's 444 with MoN. But AC havocs can be consodered a great choice. Especially against AV 10-12 spam.. 
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2014/02/05 09:52:54
Subject: Re:helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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I use a Tri-Las Predator. It packs a punch and I love tanks. However, if I was more concerned about winning, I'd take the Obliterators for versatility. Havocs are nice, but in my meta S7 AP4 is mediocre.
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2014/02/05 16:19:17
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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Most of these are pretty solid options. That helbrute build is a bit to expensive for my taste but to each their own. I prefer my shooty brute with RAC+ML, cheaper and 2 twin linked shots is pretty reliable for taking off some hull points. Also it pairs better with the ML being not a complete waste to shoot at some infantry like the las would be. He's not a huge threat but that makes him not a huge target. Mine can often wander around plinking off hull points or weakening some elite-ish infantry without drawing much attention.
Wf gargoyle and lascannons don't really mix, not really sure what you're going for there.
4 AC havocs can dish out some hurt but keep in mind that they are the least maneuverable of the options and thus require more strategic use. This is why the forgefiend is expensive, it can move and shoot its 8 shots.
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2014/02/06 03:05:54
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Honestly i was just buying points for that pred.
Should i include this pred instead?
Pred, side heavy bolters, wfg, hml, combi bolter, combi plasmagun, extra armor @137
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2014/02/06 21:42:56
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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I wouldn't. I realize you're trying to keep the points even to compare but honestly lower cost is what makes some of the pred builds usable. hvy bolter + AC is ok but i'd leave off all the other options, especially gargoyles, they just kinda... well, suck
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2014/02/06 22:09:39
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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The pair of Obliterators are so versatile. Deep Striking them is fairly safe, they are really much harder to kill than it seems they would be (I nurgle mine up) and they have a miriad weapons to meet pretty much any challenge.
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2014/02/06 22:44:03
Subject: Re:helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Sword-Wielding Bloodletter of Khorne
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I don't see a basic combi-pred on this list.
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2014/02/07 00:53:12
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Oblits, but with the caveat that you give them MoN.
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2014/02/07 00:58:36
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Bewitched Vassal of Angmar
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2 Obliterators and I think the MoK is the best.........  but seriously you don't take oblits unless you take nurgle
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2014/02/07 19:30:12
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Helbrute is always last... That thing is trash.
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2014/02/07 22:19:20
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Helbrutes are okay if you need a cheap backfield defender and some lists do well to have one. So I think Trash is relative to the role you want it for. Front liner? No way. Fire support? Not bad. Back end defender for perhaps less capable forces: superlative. Dreadnoughts are much better now that the proliferation of Power fists has become reduced. units like Warp Spiders cant deep strike and then priortitize the way they'd want to because the helbrute will wreck them and Pod armies have to come in and spendall those points to kill... A... helbrute? Bummer.
Helbrutes are best with a second "assistant" unit. i have started learnign how to make use of the much maligned Mutilators and a Mutilator would eb an ideal "assistant' unit for the Helbrute.
But I'd probably never prefer it to Mark of Nurgle Obliterators for fire support unless I was strapped for slots... or strapped for points which could happen.
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2014/02/08 17:11:41
Subject: helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Spawn of Chaos
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4 havoc with autocannons.Personaly I love autocannons and there 48 range
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2014/02/08 17:40:49
Subject: Re:helbrute vs havoc vs pred vs oblit @140
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Pred with auto cannons because I love autocanons and love preds.
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