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I'll also take issue with anyone who argues that there's no point in doing anything because nothing will change, nothing will change if you don't do anything is what I say.
Complaining on Dakka is the same as doing nothing. I hope you realize that. Write a letter to GW if you like, but sitting here in an echo chamber agreeing with one another that GW is headed in the wrong direction is absolutely doing nothing.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
Other than the post that initiated this very thread mentions the fact that various people at GW do monitor the forums?
Other than you assume my agenda is to instigate change at GW and isn't some thing as modest as killing a bit of time chewing the fat?
What you call echo chamber, one could see as a majority consensus.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Now I'm no military expert, but don't you typically engage with those you are at war with?
You obviously have never been on the receiving end of one of their cease and desist orders. How DARE we promote their products via our fansite!
As far as I'm aware, I've never heard of them shutting down fansites or forums. Rather it is 3rd party retailers profiting off of their IP. Then again, I don't follow every move GW makes like most here seem to do, so I could be wrong.
Turn Signals on a Land Raider, a web comic about minis. And there was this guy:
Originally they had to pull the lammasu head because GW doesn't understand what it actually made and what has been there since time immemorial. It appears to be back now though as a "sedu."
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Be sure to use logic! Avoid fallacies whenever possible.
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Well, they state they read every written letter they receive. At least Jervis does. They allegedly do not visit online forums nor seem to have any interest in receiving feedback from the community in that manner.
Of course, you could just try complaining harder.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
Well, they state they read every written letter they receive. At least Jervis does. They allegedly do not visit online forums nor seem to have any interest in receiving feedback from the community in that manner.
Of course, you could just try complaining harder.
Literally the first post ITT
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Turn Signals on a Land Raider, a web comic about minis.
Hold on, that was shut by GW?
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
Well, they state they read every written letter they receive. At least Jervis does. They allegedly do not visit online forums nor seem to have any interest in receiving feedback from the community in that manner.
Of course, you could just try complaining harder.
Literally the first post ITT
I think someone just got, how you say, "owned?" It that the correct word?
GW: "We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants"
Turn Signals on a Land Raider, a web comic about minis.
Hold on, that was shut by GW?
From his site it sounds more like financial issues.
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Not really, he asked their permission to produce a hardback version of his online comic to make money to help to continue to fund it and they obviously refused, thus he closed it down.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
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Might. Not everyone sends messages by blowing up executives cars.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Not really, he asked their permission to produce a hardback version of his online comic to make money to help to continue to fund it and they obviously refused, thus he closed it down.
They also told him they would sue him if he tried to make money via advertising.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Turn Signals on a Land Raider, a web comic about minis.
Hold on, that was shut by GW?
TSOALR still exists (but no updates in nearly a year), but GW got pissy when he was going to make the webcomic as a printed book; so they shut him down.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
Turn Signals on a Land Raider, a web comic about minis.
Hold on, that was shut by GW?
TSOALR still exists (but no updates in nearly a year), but GW got pissy when he was going to make the webcomic as a printed book; so they shut him down.
I think that is mischaracterizing the interaction a bit:
-Many things have contributed to the lack of a new comic for today but suffice it to say that you are witnessing the beginning of the end for Turn Signals. Since I am losing my job and health benefits, with no immediate prospects, I finally got off my duff last week and inquired about what I would have to do to get Turn Signals into a book for you all to purchase to possible alleviate some of my family’s financial stress. This is what I received back:
“So, in the case of TSOALR we’ve been very happy to let you put your web
comics up as a bit of fun. However, we can’t let you make money off of
what you’re doing because of the legal precedent it could set.
So, I’m afraid there’s just no way for us to allow you to sell TSOALR prints. I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It’s not that we don’t
like what you do, it’s just that for various commercial reasons we’re
unable to grant you permission to make commercial gain from what is,
ultimately, selling GW-owned imagery.”
I had hoped for better, but had no evidence to believe that it would be. I have reached a point in this endeavour where the effort to put up the comic is far outpacing the return, at least monitarily. Losing one’s job can tend to put things in a different perspective and I realize that my efforts must now be directed more toward supporting my family than supporting my ‘bit of fun.’ As Webmaster Larry said the other day “that shadow was always there” and i knew it too. So for now the comic wll continue, I owe my advertisers that much at least, but it will be ending and some time soon. I’m hoping to continue with web comics, with a fully marketable property, and I’m hoping that when I find it some of you will come read it. Anyway, TSOALR will be back on Friday. See you then.
Looking for great deals on miniatures or have a large pile you are looking to sell off? Checkout Mindtaker Miniatures.
Live in the Pacific NW? Check out http://ordofanaticus.com
They also told him they would sue him if he tried to make money via advertising.
Aye that too.
Although to be fair to them, he was doing a fan comic based on their IP. No matter how much fun it was, those requests are fair enough from a legal stand point.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
I think that is mischaracterizing the interaction a bit:
Spoiler:
-Many things have contributed to the lack of a new comic for today but suffice it to say that you are witnessing the beginning of the end for Turn Signals. Since I am losing my job and health benefits, with no immediate prospects, I finally got off my duff last week and inquired about what I would have to do to get Turn Signals into a book for you all to purchase to possible alleviate some of my family’s financial stress. This is what I received back:
“So, in the case of TSOALR we’ve been very happy to let you put your web
comics up as a bit of fun. However, we can’t let you make money off of
what you’re doing because of the legal precedent it could set.
So, I’m afraid there’s just no way for us to allow you to sell TSOALR prints. I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It’s not that we don’t
like what you do, it’s just that for various commercial reasons we’re
unable to grant you permission to make commercial gain from what is,
ultimately, selling GW-owned imagery.”
I had hoped for better, but had no evidence to believe that it would be. I have reached a point in this endeavour where the effort to put up the comic is far outpacing the return, at least monitarily. Losing one’s job can tend to put things in a different perspective and I realize that my efforts must now be directed more toward supporting my family than supporting my ‘bit of fun.’ As Webmaster Larry said the other day “that shadow was always there” and i knew it too. So for now the comic wll continue, I owe my advertisers that much at least, but it will be ending and some time soon. I’m hoping to continue with web comics, with a fully marketable property, and I’m hoping that when I find it some of you will come read it. Anyway, TSOALR will be back on Friday. See you then.
Cut us some slack, I was trying to remember something that happened about 4 years ago. Couldn't find the exact details on it so I had to go from memory.
I'll save that bit above, in case it comes up again.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
Of course, the TSOALR excuse is a bit of BS on GWs part. Them granting him a license to use their IP would not set any legal precedent against them. They don't even have to charge him for it.
Though they also have no obligation to let him use their IP.
Exactly, they closed it due to the moaning! They didn't look to the reasons for the moaning and try and address them (moaning isn't the disease, its a symptom, like you said, little or no moaning on FW's page, little or no moaning about FW here, except maybe the occasional "Whut, moar marines? Which is kind of fair comment.)
The "moaning" that was going on at the time of the closure had nothing to do with the products though. It was at the time of the whole "Spots the Space Marine" debacle.
They also told him they would sue him if he tried to make money via advertising.
Aye that too.
Although to be fair to them, he was doing a fan comic based on their IP. No matter how much fun it was, those requests are fair enough from a legal stand point.
Parody.
In the US we call that an essential liberty. And GW could have strengthened its marks by licensing TSOLR.
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
It reads as though he's fresh out of a briefing. Faeit212 had its own manager QnA in the summer that was far more open and honest about thoughts feelings etc, though most of the questions if I recall we're about releases- which we all know managers don't know about
Exactly, they closed it due to the moaning! They didn't look to the reasons for the moaning and try and address them (moaning isn't the disease, its a symptom, like you said, little or no moaning on FW's page, little or no moaning about FW here, except maybe the occasional "Whut, moar marines? Which is kind of fair comment.)
The "moaning" that was going on at the time of the closure had nothing to do with the products though. It was at the time of the whole "Spots the Space Marine" debacle.
I'm assuming you have something to follow that up with, as what you've written so far is a null point.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I've got to admit, that pay is more than I expected it to be. That's genuinely more than I imagine most other 1 man store owners would make. I was expecting maybe 28k at absolute most. - Truth be told, even that seems high.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I think that is mischaracterizing the interaction a bit:
Spoiler:
-Many things have contributed to the lack of a new comic for today but suffice it to say that you are witnessing the beginning of the end for Turn Signals. Since I am losing my job and health benefits, with no immediate prospects, I finally got off my duff last week and inquired about what I would have to do to get Turn Signals into a book for you all to purchase to possible alleviate some of my family’s financial stress. This is what I received back:
“So, in the case of TSOALR we’ve been very happy to let you put your web
comics up as a bit of fun. However, we can’t let you make money off of
what you’re doing because of the legal precedent it could set.
So, I’m afraid there’s just no way for us to allow you to sell TSOALR prints. I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It’s not that we don’t
like what you do, it’s just that for various commercial reasons we’re
unable to grant you permission to make commercial gain from what is,
ultimately, selling GW-owned imagery.”
I had hoped for better, but had no evidence to believe that it would be. I have reached a point in this endeavour where the effort to put up the comic is far outpacing the return, at least monitarily. Losing one’s job can tend to put things in a different perspective and I realize that my efforts must now be directed more toward supporting my family than supporting my ‘bit of fun.’ As Webmaster Larry said the other day “that shadow was always there” and i knew it too. So for now the comic wll continue, I owe my advertisers that much at least, but it will be ending and some time soon. I’m hoping to continue with web comics, with a fully marketable property, and I’m hoping that when I find it some of you will come read it. Anyway, TSOALR will be back on Friday. See you then.
Cut us some slack, I was trying to remember something that happened about 4 years ago. Couldn't find the exact details on it so I had to go from memory.
I'll save that bit above, in case it comes up again.
You might be thinking of Golden Throne, I think that one received a C&D letter (or whatever) when the writer started making jokes about drugs near GW imagery?
I think that is mischaracterizing the interaction a bit:
Spoiler:
-Many things have contributed to the lack of a new comic for today but suffice it to say that you are witnessing the beginning of the end for Turn Signals. Since I am losing my job and health benefits, with no immediate prospects, I finally got off my duff last week and inquired about what I would have to do to get Turn Signals into a book for you all to purchase to possible alleviate some of my family’s financial stress. This is what I received back:
“So, in the case of TSOALR we’ve been very happy to let you put your web
comics up as a bit of fun. However, we can’t let you make money off of
what you’re doing because of the legal precedent it could set.
So, I’m afraid there’s just no way for us to allow you to sell TSOALR prints. I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It’s not that we don’t
like what you do, it’s just that for various commercial reasons we’re
unable to grant you permission to make commercial gain from what is,
ultimately, selling GW-owned imagery.”
I had hoped for better, but had no evidence to believe that it would be. I have reached a point in this endeavour where the effort to put up the comic is far outpacing the return, at least monitarily. Losing one’s job can tend to put things in a different perspective and I realize that my efforts must now be directed more toward supporting my family than supporting my ‘bit of fun.’ As Webmaster Larry said the other day “that shadow was always there” and i knew it too. So for now the comic wll continue, I owe my advertisers that much at least, but it will be ending and some time soon. I’m hoping to continue with web comics, with a fully marketable property, and I’m hoping that when I find it some of you will come read it. Anyway, TSOALR will be back on Friday. See you then.
Cut us some slack, I was trying to remember something that happened about 4 years ago. Couldn't find the exact details on it so I had to go from memory.
I'll save that bit above, in case it comes up again.
You might be thinking of Golden Throne, I think that one received a C&D letter (or whatever) when the writer started making jokes about drugs near GW imagery?
GW send out so many C&Ds these days it's hard to keep track...
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
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