Mantic Dreadball Xtreme Kickstarter - $600k stretch goal: M’zei Kein MVP, free in Rampage+

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**decker_cky**

Bioptic wrote:
The existing teams have been better-supported however, and if they're anticipating a large number of backers then each stretch needs a high base cost just to fulfil!

If there's a high number of backers, then the cost per backer decreases since they split the tooling between more backers. If the whole campaign continued with this kind of pace, Mantic would just make more money after fulfilling orders compared to their other kickstarters. Nothing wrong with that - Mantic has a pretty good idea of the costs and they need to make a good enough return, but from a consumer point of view, we're just plain getting less than other campaigns got at a similar point.

I'm sure Mantic will have some surprise free reveals and smaller stretch goals as the campaign stalls to make up for these earlier larger gaps. It's all about momentum, and they have it now, so don't need as much to keep the total increasing. Later, it will take more to keep people spending money. Mantic has a good idea what they can afford to fit in at the end of the campaign for a given funding total, and will arrange the stretches to make the best use of that.

**Mr.Church13**

Too long between teams. I'll stay in but 12 teams I think is a pipe dream at this point they're really banking on that huge last day.

**Talking Banana**

I don't want to be a downer, but I'm thinking we've hit one of "those" periods where things grind along slowly, and the mood gets correspondingly itchy, then scratchy. (Currently it's fine.) I don't think we'll get the robot team in until things pick up again on Friday.

So I'm going to take a little internet nap between now and then and use the time to play with my son, who's off school this week.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong when I wake up. Till Friday, goodnight all!

**decker_cky**

Vermonter wrote:
I don't want to be a downer, but I'm thinking we've hit one of "those" periods where things grind along slowly, and the mood gets correspondingly itchy, then scratchy. (Currently it's fine.) I don't think we'll get the robot team in until things pick up again on Friday.

So I'm going to take a little internet nap between now and then and use the time to play with my son, who's off school this week.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong when I wake up. Till Friday, goodnight all!

You may be right, but it hasn't really slowed down since the drop in day 2. It probably won't keep up at 30k per day with this period of weak stretches (which would hit robots by midday tomorrow), but I'd be shocked if it dropped so fast that it takes 4 days to fund them. I'm guessing at some point on Wednesday the robots will be funded.

**bbb**

Are there any better pictures of the crates? I hear they are hard plastic, but are there pics of the sprue out there somewhere? I see that they are an add-on option for $5, so I'm really interested in them, but would love to see some more pics/details.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

bbb wrote:
Are there any better pictures of the crates? I hear they are hard plastic, but are there pics of the sprue out there somewhere? I see that they are an add-on option for $5, so I'm really interested in them, but would love to see some more pics/details.

You're not going to see sprue details until the KS is over (based on how mantics KS previous projects have worked)

what have been shown are likely to be either 3D prints or resin casts of a traditionally sculpted green

**Mr.Church13**

decker_cky wrote:
Vermonter wrote:
I don't want to be a downer, but I'm thinking we've hit one of "those" periods where things grind along slowly, and the mood gets correspondingly itchy, then scratchy. (Currently it's fine.) I don't think we'll get the robot team in until things pick up again on Friday.

So I'm going to take a little internet nap between now and then and use the time to play with my son, who's off school this week.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong when I wake up. Till Friday, goodnight all!

You may be right, but it hasn't really slowed down since the drop in day 2. It probably won't keep up at 30k per day with this period of weak stretches (which would hit robots by midday tomorrow), but I'd be shocked if it dropped so fast that it takes 4 days to fund them. I'm guessing at some point on Wednesday the robots will be funded.

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Dang, a new team every three days means we definitely need that huge last day surge to get over he filler. Come on Mantic, I love the game but this KS is torture.

**DaveC**

Oh Speedball I approve fond memories of it.

I go away for the weekend and this thing blasts through $300k impressive managed to snag some EBs before I left so wait and see time need to catch up with where this is at.

Project Update #14: Team Progression: ICE CREAM ICE CREAM!
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Every Monday we're going to post a round up of all of the latest Xtreme progress in a series called Team Progression. This’ll include the newest sculpts, the latest art and any important information or FAQ.

So, first things first then…
NEW! Hector Weiss, Speedball MVP

DreadBall is the most popular sports game going, but it’s not the first to put players into a high-tech arena where violence is important as skill with a ball. Hector Weiss was a superstar Speedball player, a member of perennial underdog fan favourites Brutal Deluxe. He was at the peak of his game when the team’s Galactic Tour fell afoul of a deep-space anomaly that sucked him out of his cabin. As he blacked out, he thought it was all over, but he couldn’t have been more wrong. Waking up in a strange place where no one seemed to have heard of Speedball, he soon discovered the local equivalent and signed up to the first league available. DreadBall was everything he hoped for, a fitting showcase for his skill and showmanship. He just needed to find a vendor selling ice cream and it would be like he never left home…

That’s right, we’ve teamed up with The Bitmap Brothers to produce Weiss, a new MVP based on the iconic Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe cover art.

Speedball is a fantastic sci-fi sports video game with origins dating back to the 80s, loved and revered by many, including our own Curis Webb, who has spent all of his time preparing for the Xtreme Kickstarter by playing it on his iPhone. If you want to give the latest version a go you can download Speedball 2 Evolution from the Apple App Store or Speedball 2 HD for PC on Steam!

There’s no stretch goal for this miniature, we’re simply making him available so that you can add him onto your pledge for $10. If you've got friends who just want the mini they can choose the Disorder level and just pick up the mini for $10!

Oh, and Frenzy backers get Weiss for free!

Please help us spread the word with this guy – tell everyone! Blogs, Facebook, Twitter… we want the world to know that Weiss is here!
Mechanites

Earlier today we revealed what the next team would be – the Mechanites!

The idea with these guys is that you get a load of techy bits, from industrial jets to military grade weapons, stick them together and have a unique team with all kinds of differing abilities.

To look at how this might be done in practice, we asked our concept artists to put together some crazy ideas and draw them. Not everything below will get done, but the potential is huge!

Name that Team

In the original DreadBall game we have a range of teams from Corporation Humans to Marauder Goblins. Each team box gets a suitably evocative name: Pelgar Mystics, Ukomo Avalanchers and the Kalimarin Ancients are all examples of this, and we’re after your help in naming the Mechanite team.

So, what Robot names can you think of? It could be based on your favorite sports team (NFL is usually a good choice!) or anything suitably aggressive, like the Mazon Manglers. Put your ideas in the comments and who knows, maybe we’ll use it for the team name and include you in the credits!

Let us know what you think of Weiss too!

**scarletsquig**

I've updated the OP, there's now 74 minis in Rampage, $228 worth of stuff overall.

**Black Nexus**

speedball!

**decker_cky**

Those robots remind me of base wars in a good way. They need float legs and tank legs.

**CptJake**

At $10, Speedball seems expensive compared to the other non-giant MVPs. Heck the team of 8 robots is $15.

**scarletsquig**

Probably licensing fees, Judge Dredd was more expensive in Mars Attacks too.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Awwwww crap, Base Wars.

The only sport game that got regular play in my home besides Super Dodge Ball.

It was all about powering up the pitcher and blowing up the batter.

Most games it ended up devolving into melees at the bases, baseball be damned. Wheelie unicycle robots were the absolute worst, with their stupid wheelie flip kick that Barzam and our other brother would abuse to no end.

Game was BRUTAL. I loved every minute of it.

**GrimDork**

My bids in for Positronic Pummelers

Won't be going for that model, never played the game, but hey it's an option. And frenzy gets it free, so there's that. Still strongly considering dropping pledge level and just picking up a bunch of free agent pirates robots and aliens to flesh out my scifi stable. You get a lot in rampage though, we'll see.

**Black Nexus**

that mechanite concept is great. love the vairety you can get.

warjacks anyone?

might have to up my pledge for it, $15 a team is a steal.

**Zond**

Robots might sucker me in, still swithering due to the preassembled glorified board game miniatures though.

**squall018**

Unless the other teams are just AMAZING, I'm probably gonna pick the Plague and Robots (Hopefully called The Docking Bay Packers) as my free teams since they won't come pre-assembled.

**plastictrees**

Black Nexus wrote:
speedball!

Umm...yikes. Is he a dwarf?

**GrimDork**

I think robots and plague will be the coolest anyway. Most other concepts seem to fall off once they're common, at least for me. Those two.. not as much, and they're supposed to be more of s kit than a bunch of stock poses.

**scarletsquig**

Interesting comment from Mantic in the KS suggested that 100 minis for Rampage and 300 for Frenzy might be good ballpark figures, and possibly on the low side.

Striker in the first DB KS finished with 103 minis, for reference. Only one Giant. 4 giants for this one is probably a given considering that the multi-player expansion is baked into Rampage level.

As the latest update shows, they're quite happy to just plain throw free stuff at Frenzy, without the need for a stretch goal. I think the team stretches will happen faster once they get a lot of the other stuff out of the way.

Currently it looks like $50k of stretch goals goes into making a full team ($25k for the team, $5k for alt poses, $5k for the prones, $15k for the MVP), so they can happily get the other stuff out of the way for now, core game box upgrades, counters, fiction etc. then roll out 4 new teams, +84 extra minis for Frenzy within the space of $200k funding once things are looking a little slower in the middle of the campaign.

**Bioptic**

plastictrees wrote:
Black Nexus wrote:
speedball!

Umm...yikes. Is he a dwarf?

It does look a little...unfortunate, but I choose to believe that this is down to the angle of photography! Also, the in-game speedball sprites did look a bit like dwarves, yes.

**JoshInJapan**

I have to say that all the stretch goals and add-ons are making it easy to keep my vow.

**GrimDork**

^I'm even considering dropping below rampage and just getting some cool pirate/free agent/aliens/robot sets, along with a couple crate sets. We'll see though, mantic is usually pretty good at stuffing value into the sweet spot pledge. And the robots/mutants are temping. I have a feeling they already threw out my two favorite teams though, curious to see if they can surprise me with anything I like more than the last two teams.

**Yonan**

Played a *lot* of speedball 2 on the amiga back in the day. Part of why I jumped in whole hog on Dreadball, due to those fond memories. It's ridiculously awesome that Bitmap Brothers and Mantic hooked up for this. The model... I'm not sold on as such yet though.

GrimDork wrote:
^I'm even considering dropping below rampage and just getting some cool pirate/free agent/aliens/robot sets, along with a couple crate sets. We'll see though, mantic is usually pretty good at stuffing value into the sweet spot pledge. And the robots/mutants are temping. I have a feeling they already threw out my two favorite teams though, curious to see if they can surprise me with anything I like more than the last two teams.

Kraaw team!!!

**GrimDork**

I wouldn't know about any Kraaw, they managed to not send me my rebs faction booster after all of that rigamarole. Poor rebs'll be really hard set to win missions until they get their backup =/

I dunno, I think some Kraaw players would be cool, I think they're neat. It just seems like if you pump out a whole faction of something that used to be a rare thing, I stop caring as much. I'm sure a Kraaw team is set to do well though

**Yonan**

Jebus, how many mirrors did you break whilst standing in the carpark under a ladder factory while a herd black cats walked in front of you?

Rarity can be a good thing, but I didn't think Kraaw were a rare race as such. Even if it were, money would make it worthwhile to get them. And goddamnit, I want a Kraaw team ; p

**GrimDork**

Many lots? I wonder if they were still out of stock but didn't want to wait. Message sent, we'll get it sorted. Mostly considering dumping rampage for more dz survey 2 goodies.

**Yonan**

GrimDork wrote:
Many lots? I wonder if they were still out of stock but didn't want to wait. Message sent, we'll get it sorted. Mostly considering dumping rampage for more dz survey 2 goodies.

But...

**GrimDork**

Haha nice. I feel like I already did.