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Zond wrote: Robots might sucker me in, still swithering due to the preassembled glorified board game miniatures though.
After the Bones Kickstarter, I discovered something I never suspected about myself: I enjoy pre-assembled minis. Sure, multipose hard plastic is the best, but there is a lot of joy in being able to grab a dozen minis out of the box, clean them for a few seconds each, and consider them 'done'. Plus, we have been conditioned for decades to accept board game minis in "as is" condition and unpainted, so they are an incredible time saver that, unlike minis in other media, won't worry at the tip of your consciousness like a piece of steak trapped between your teeth.
After the tedium of assembling even a pathetically small number of my Mantic Restic minis, I find the boardgame plastic to be the most enticing part of the DBX KS.
Zond wrote: Robots might sucker me in, still swithering due to the preassembled glorified board game miniatures though.
After the Bones Kickstarter, I discovered something I never suspected about myself: I enjoy pre-assembled minis. Sure, multipose hard plastic is the best, but there is a lot of joy in being able to grab a dozen minis out of the box, clean them for a few seconds each, and consider them 'done'. Plus, we have been conditioned for decades to accept board game minis in "as is" condition and unpainted, so they are an incredible time saver that, unlike minis in other media, won't worry at the tip of your consciousness like a piece of steak trapped between your teeth.
After the tedium of assembling even a pathetically small number of my Mantic Restic minis, I find the boardgame plastic to be the most enticing part of the DBX KS.
I agree, while I wouldn't want it for everything, it definitely has it's place and makes a nice change.
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I'm not against preassembled or one piece miniatures. I think I would go for it if they were all deliberately one piece. I'm more wary due to Mantic and their ever shifting goalposts on what plastic is, and the quality of the product produced when that happens.
I fail to see how they've shifted the goal posts on what plastic is - aside from metal, every material they use is plastic.
The lebels on what each kind of plastic they've used have always remained consistent to me, the only thing that has changed is when they've decided to do one instead of another.
NTRabbit wrote: I fail to see how they've shifted the goal posts on what plastic is - aside from metal, every material they use is plastic.
The lebels on what each kind of plastic they've used have always remained consistent to me, the only thing that has changed is when they've decided to do one instead of another.
They have used many types of plastic, and openly said they used different formulasof restic for the different dreadball seasons. Not to mention, plastic has even turned into metal unnanounced, which you acknowledge. I like Mantic too, but lets call a spade a spade. They change their material more than any other company I've seen.
But how is that shifting the goalposts on what plastic is?
Hint, it isn't. Using multiple different kinds of plastic, clearly labeled, for different tasks is not shifting goalposts, nor is using different formulas for their PVC plastic between runs while chasing a better end product.
Switching from plastic to metal without telling anyone? That's a bad problem, definitely. But plastic is still plastic.
If anything, this shows they've been consistent in their application of materials everywhere bar the original Dreadball project - where metal should have been promised restic, but in truth the whole lot should have been in the soft PVC that is now reserved for their boardgames: Loka, Mars Attacks, Dreadball Xtreme, and possibly even DKH in the future.
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NTRabbit wrote: But how is that shifting the goalposts on what plastic is?
Hint, it isn't. Using multiple different kinds of plastic, clearly labeled, for different tasks is not shifting goalposts, nor is using different forumlas for their PVC plastic between runs while chasing a better end product.
Switching from plastic to metal without telling anyone? That's a bad problem, definitely. But plastic is still plastic.
In the broadest terms ever, plastic may be plastic. But when it comes to working with it from a hobby point of view, plastics are not plastic. I sell plumbing for a living, and let me assure you, there are many types of PVC, and if you sell the wrong one for a certain job, you will have busted pipes everywhere. So just saying plastic is plastic isn't really true. I hate GW as a company, but they have the best plastic kits around. I love Mantic as a company, and I love their hard plastic sprues. Restic, I'm not so keen on. Both are technically plastic, but lords knows they are different. Hell, you can't even use the same glue on them.
Also, if all plastic was the same, why would mantic have changed their formula to "chase a better end product"? Because not all plastic is the same, and Mantic's varies a ton. It is a legitimate concern with this KS, as this is the first time they are putting out this material that is preassembled. I know its the same material as LOKA and MA, but those are single piece models. It is a legit concern. You may not be concerned, but alot of people are.
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Actually, Mars Attacks is also going to be multipart pre-assembled, at least for some pieces. It's just that there are no production examples to have a look at - just 3D prints.
The only really comparable example is Gears of War, which had both very detailed and multipart pre-assembled figures made from the same material, and at least in my copy were assembled flawlessly. Doesn't guarantee anything for Mantic's stuff, of course - if nothing else, the volume is going to be much higher and there may be more of a time pressure for production.
Bioptic wrote: Actually, Mars Attacks is also going to be multipart pre-assembled, at least for some pieces. It's just that there are no production examples to have a look at - just 3D prints.
The only really comparable example is Gears of War, which had both very detailed and multipart pre-assembled figures made from the same material, and at least in my copy were assembled flawlessly. Doesn't guarantee anything for Mantic's stuff, of course - if nothing else, the volume is going to be much higher and there may be more of a time pressure for production.
The Gears minis are fantastic, and are part of the reason that I'm willing to pledge and give this a try.
If 'Pre-assembled' means they have solved the mold-line issues, then good. If it means we now get pre-assembled miniatures with equally bad mold lines which are harder to remove due to being pre-assembled, then they have made a worse product.
All they have to do is address the mold-line issue, both location of them and the severity of them.
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The short story compilation has been added to all pledge levels, including the $1 pledge level which is a nice little bonus for anyone picking up a few add-ons.
I'm definitely staying in for the short stories and the enhanced digital rulebook, regardless of what level or goodies I pick. I like stuff like that. These guys are pretty good at stuffing the $150 pledge level though, unless money is particularly tight when the end comes around, I'll probably fold and keep my pledge at that level.
This is probably from the recent remake, but they look very similar anyway, so here's some nostalgia for those that played speedball 1/2 in the Amiga/C64 days:
Awesome move by Mantic hooking up with these guys. I think the market that appreciates it might be small, but much <3 from me anyway hehe.
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Spoilered possibilities because... it wasn't optional to do this. Just a couple quick results from google image search. There's many more good options to be had!
Spoiler:
Possible Players: (this next one might cost a bit too much to license... but the uniform and... general characteristics should be replicable to an extent ; p)
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I think running man + dreadball/deadzone is an excellent idea. It would probably make for a nice DZ scenario if nothing else. Maybe have a 'season' campaign where your running dude gets better if he survives, facing off against hazards and opposing running dudes. I think wining meant you got to quit didn't it? Well... not for campaign mode in any case
With a running man alt mode, you've got an excuse to add in a few weapon arms for the two modular teams, and maybe come up with a way to get some weapons into the hands of the other teams.
Weapon handlers stretches or add ons for each team? Two or three figures for each team? Chainsaws and shanks for the convicts?
A running man mode would almost be more fun than either game... ALMOST.
Convicts versus ripper suits! Stunt mvps versus 1st Gens! Fun for the whole family!
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Weapon handlers stretches or add ons for each team? Two or three figures for each team? Chainsaws and shanks for the convicts?
I did suggest this as a Keeper-like "prestige class" for Strikers, letting experienced players smuggle knives, tasers and the like onto the pitch, and they seemed to like the idea. So we might just get it.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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Black Nexus wrote: Looks like the beta rules are going live today, looks like we're getting closer to the robots as well.
Only slowly. It took Deadzone eleven days to drop below $7k a day, and Xtreme has done it in four. Mantic's been faffing about with the stretch goals again and it's going to cause another Mars Attacks - a visible lack of momentum that will translate into a week of backsliding later in the campaign.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
The robot / Mechanites concept art looks great, but I don't feel confident that the models would look as good. If they do, I'll likely pick them up... but at retail.
