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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 20:29:13
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Relevant FAQs:
Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any
weapon that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically –
interact with Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous
Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and novas.
Q: Can a Doom Scythe’s death ray hit enemy Flyers and/or Flying
Monstrous Creatures? (p50)
A: The Death Ray can hit Flyers in Hover Mode (friendly or
enemy) and Gliding Flying Monstrous Creatures (friendly or
enemy). It cannot hit Zooming Flyers or Swooping Flying
Monstrous Creatures
Dispersion Shield rule:
"A Lychguard with a dispersion shield has a 4+ invulnerable save. If this save is made against a shooting attack, choose an unengaged enemy unit within 6" - that unit suffers a single hit with a strength and ap equal to that of the initial shot."
The question:
Can a Lychguard deflect a shot at an enemy flyer?
Scenarios:
A Flyer or FMC shoots at a Lychguard squad 6" away from it with AP3 weaponry. The lychguard saves some of the shots and can now deflect them. Can they be deflected towards the flyer?
A doomscythe deliberately shoots his own Lychguard. Can they deflect the hits at the enemy flyer?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 20:35:46
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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Only if its not swooping or zooming
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 22:02:18
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Weapons that auto hit cannot be fired as snap shots.
since it auto hits it couldnt hit swooping/zooming.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 22:19:01
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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They cause "a hit" but are not snap shots, so are expressly disallowed by the flyer FAQ from hitting a zooming flyer or swooping FMC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 11:26:22
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Executing Exarch
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blaktoof wrote:Weapons that auto hit cannot be fired as snap shots.
since it auto hits it couldnt hit swooping/zooming.
I think you have that the wrong way round: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3440036a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.5_September_13.pdf
Q: Does a weapon that hits automatically, still hit automatically when making a Snap Shot? (p13)
A: Yes.
So an atuo-hitting weapon can still be used in Overwatch, and hit automatically. It's the Maelstrom / Nova / Beam FAQ quoted above that stops them hitting Zooming / Swooping Flyers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 11:36:22
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Regular Dakkanaut
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So, I have one FAQ saying "No, if you don't roll to hit then you can't hit it" and another that says yes as long as the hit is automatic?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 11:37:50
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Things that automatically hit will still hit if fired as a snap shoot. Things that don't roll to hit, can't hit Zoomers our Swoopers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 11:42:22
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Happyjew wrote:Things that automatically hit will still hit if fired as a snap shoot. Things that don't roll to hit, can't hit Zoomers our Swoopers.
So, we should take the original weapon's characteristics? If my lychgard are overwatched by a devastator squad of las cannons and make an invulnerable, they can bounce it towards a flyer?
If a flyer shoots his weapons at the lychguard they can be bounced back because the original weapon could fire at flyers with full BS?
Therefore a death ray wouldn't be able to bounce its shot to a Flyer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 12:08:36
Subject: Re:Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Executing Exarch
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We have a General Vs. Specific at work here:
Generally - A weapon that automatically hits will still hit if fired as a Snap Shot (In Overwatch, against Deathleaper, by Stunned Vehicles etc.)
Specifically - Weapons that automatically hit cannot hit a Zooming Flyer or Swooping FMC.
The specific beats the general.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 12:57:50
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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sonicaucie wrote: Happyjew wrote:Things that automatically hit will still hit if fired as a snap shoot. Things that don't roll to hit, can't hit Zoomers our Swoopers.
So, we should take the original weapon's characteristics? If my lychgard are overwatched by a devastator squad of las cannons and make an invulnerable, they can bounce it towards a flyer?
If a flyer shoots his weapons at the lychguard they can be bounced back because the original weapon could fire at flyers with full BS?
Therefore a death ray wouldn't be able to bounce its shot to a Flyer.
While fluffy wise it 'bounces' the shot, mechanically it generates an auto hit resolving at the same Str and AP as the original, in this case the original BS is irrelevant, and can not hit a zooming flyer.
While the above would apply to the second sentence also, another consideration is flyers can hit flyers if choosing to skyfire, unless the are snap shooting at ground targets they don't use normal BS against flyers.
In this case the successful save would not be able to hit a zooming flyer, and I can't think of a case where it would.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/17 06:47:10
Subject: Re:Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
Israel
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Quanar wrote:We have a General Vs. Specific at work here:
Generally - A weapon that automatically hits will still hit if fired as a Snap Shot (In Overwatch, against Deathleaper, by Stunned Vehicles etc.)
Specifically - Weapons that automatically hit cannot hit a Zooming Flyer or Swooping FMC.
The specific beats the general.
Actually, in this case it's the other way around-
General: Weapons that cannot snap fire cannot hit zooming fliers.
Specific: Weapons that hit automatically also hit automatically when snap firing.
It hits automatically, therefore against a zooming flier it will "snap fire" but still hit automatically.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/17 06:49:43
Subject: Re:Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Aizuwakamatsu, Fukushima, Japan
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Galorian wrote: Quanar wrote:We have a General Vs. Specific at work here:
Generally - A weapon that automatically hits will still hit if fired as a Snap Shot (In Overwatch, against Deathleaper, by Stunned Vehicles etc.)
Specifically - Weapons that automatically hit cannot hit a Zooming Flyer or Swooping FMC.
The specific beats the general.
Actually, in this case it's the other way around-
General: Weapons that cannot snap fire cannot hit zooming fliers.
Specific: Weapons that hit automatically also hit automatically when snap firing.
It hits automatically, therefore against a zooming flier it will "snap fire" but still hit automatically.
No, because weapons that Hit Automatically can't Snap Fire without specific permission. The FAQ doesn't give blanket permission to Snap Fire things that hit automatically, it clarifies that if you do have permission to Snap Fire (such as Wall of Death for Flamers) it will still hit Automatically.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/17 12:45:43
Subject: Lychguard Dispersion Shields and Flyers
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The dispersion shield does not roll to hit, so therefore cannot affect a Swooper/Zoomer.
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