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 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
I haven't been here long, but I really like it so far - tons of helpful, knowledgeable posters with a real passion for modelling and gaming.

It's a great community, and one of the smartest I've found on the internet, regardless of interest group. Whenever a real world concern appears, we have experts. Economists, military veterans, you name it. The Chapterhouse lawsuit thread has a self-appointed legal team to translate jargon for the rest of us!

The issue at hand is so ridiculously self-manufactured. GW shut down all lines of communication and decided to start dictating what we as consumers should want. Doesn't take a business degree to figure out that that plan is a recipe for disaster.

When I worked at Sony we were instructed to identify ourselves as Sony employees if we commented in online discussions about Sony and Sony related stuff. A declaration of special interest, basically.

 insaniak wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
.... When I suggest compromise, the response is 'GW should compromise', not 'we should all compromise'.

Well of course it is. Because GW is a business, and we are their customers.

Bingo! I mean, seriously, I don't feel like I have to meet my barista halfway on coffee advertising.

 Boggy Man wrote:

 eskimo wrote:
It's not suprising when Dakka offers more than a GW store.
...
Hookups

Wait, what?
What part of the forum is this, I must have missed it.

Yes you did miss it, right here in this thread: funworld.de

 TheAuldGrump wrote:


<snips a very well written post>

When there were posts from internet forums that were quoted in the pages of White Dwarf! (Rocks are not 'free', Citizen.)

The Auld Grump

Thanks for reminding me about that one. Going to go re-read it now.

/exalt

 Grot 6 wrote:


It's complicated.

Hate might not be the right word for it, I would use the word- Threat. Dakka is a Threat to them, because point of fact the news is not all peaches and cream and we're not afraid to let them know about it.

And where there is threat, there is also usually fear...

I'm sure Dakkanaughts could come up with any number of reasons why a GW redshirt might fear the truth/reality contained within Dakka...

T

Are they trained to hate dakka?

That would assume they have ANY training at all.

MY local store staffer is worse than one-eyed, he is blind to ALL but the company.

They replaced all the cool staff (who actually gamed) with a hipster who knows nothing bar the current range of stuff - so if you're after something that would work with the older stuff (aesthetically) or a compatible paint colour to the older stuff, you're SOOL.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
When I worked at Sony we were instructed to identify ourselves as Sony employees if we commented in online discussions about Sony and Sony related stuff. A declaration of special interest, basically.

When i worked at Philips i had to sign a NDA form.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
When I worked at Sony we were instructed to identify ourselves as Sony employees if we commented in online discussions about Sony and Sony related stuff. A declaration of special interest, basically.

When i worked at Philips i had to sign a NDA form.

Wait, you had to sign an NDA telling you you couldn't identify yourself as an employee?

He's not saying they talked about stuff they couldn't, he meant participate in any way in a discussion online about Something related to Sony. Basically a disclaimer.

No that means that you cannot talk about everything related to your work, when i worked in Philips we were working on new stuff that wasn't supposed to be told on the interwebs before it was officially released, it means just that i am liable for what i say, but i don't have to say that i am a Philips employee.

When GW employees hate Dakka, it is called Stockholm syndrome

When I worked at Apple, I was not allowed to comment publicly on Apple dealings or products (positive or negative).

After they canned my arse, all bets were off.

Now that you have a canned arse chromedog you should probably go for a job at SPC since you are at least half way qualified.

On being trained to hate dakka- i think grot 6 is right , i think they are threatened by people who have been with them a very long time ( i personally started in the rogue trader days and collected old white dwarfs because they were awesome) and know that the sales pitch used unmercifully by the company bears no resemblance to the old reality of the company.

ON dakka - I really like this site the moderation is perfect allowing you that sense of freedom whilst clamping down on excess. I never realised it was the largest gaming forum though, i might have to self moderate more of my silliness (though I'm probably on enough ignore lists not to bother)

On a few posters ruining it for everyone else- I agree HBMC is to blame, he ruined my enjoyment of this site as i can only read his posts out of all 10000 members. I'm sick of his well thought out and humourous replies. Less of that and more somber boring crud please. Also does he have to post in every GW thread.... yes, yes he does

Ohoohooh I am the ghost of Dakka's Past.

AGreeing and saying that GW doesn't know what they are talking about and generalize everyone.

ooooh I am the ghost of GWs future

where we hold pogroms on dakka members and sell you half of what you used to buy at more cost...and this is great news!

(self moderation clearly is not working )

Bullockist wrote:
Now that you have a canned arse chromedog you should probably go for a job at SPC since you are at least half way qualified.

Nice.

Did your mum help you with that?

No point working for SPC as it's gone the way of the Holden anyway. Why would I want to move to that part of the country anyway (hell of a commute to and from Godzone).

I did used to like my local GW. The guys were fun. They could take a joke.
Then it went and changed - and the new guy has no charisma. His sales training, what he has of it, comes from the McDonalds school of upselling.
He has no clue on older products (I went in looking for a paint in the current range that would work as a replacement for an older (3 years ago) colour).

Most of the gamers in the area avoid the place and go to the indy down the road instead as a result.

yes, yes she did, I specially made an STD call 6 hours down the coast so she could advise me on a great 'zinger' to get that Chromedog guy on Dakka with.

Godzone? First Ive heard that call about Newcastle, though I must admit Newcastle is becoming very nice now days. Why is it that crappy areas in Australia have to identify with God :p

Last time i went into a GW i bought some paint , they asked what it was for and I said warmachine , they said it's all wargaming and I was dumbfounded. Was I in a REAL GW. *

*location not included so they don't get fired, meh they are probably allready fired

Sarcasm, mate.

ALL of my posts usually fairly drip with it.
I'm considered somewhat of a sarky bastich by my 'peers'.

I am going to one up your sarcasm call with a dry deadpan humour call.

Some of my posts crumble with it.

I'm known as somewhat of a piece of 'tasty tail by' my queers.

Now back to the anti dakka conspiracy.

Well I haven't seen anyone on here from my town but we don't have a GW.
I think if the people at GW don't like DakkaDakka is because there is a whole lot of complainers on here (I mean some stuff is legit) but haters gunna hate as they say lol
Plus it might be the leaks or the constant "GW is a piece of junk" talk. I doubt this is ALL GW employees who think that dakkadakka is bad though.

As is frequently the case, I find myself agreeing whole heartedly with The Auld Grump. Of course GW don't train their employees to hate Dakka. That's absurd. Nevertheless, this line:

"The problem with being paranoid is that sooner or later you do have enemies - some of whom could have been avoided, simply by communication."

... couldn't possibly ring any truer.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
No that means that you cannot talk about everything related to your work, when i worked in Philips we were working on new stuff that wasn't supposed to be told on the interwebs before it was officially released, it means just that i am liable for what i say, but i don't have to say that i am a Philips employee.

Ok well that's pretty normal. I work in the telecommunications industry, and NDA's for upcoming products happen all the time. Of course, with us it's kinda silly that we have to be all secretive about a new iPhone or whatever when people already know it's coming and the news is already reporting the launch date.

Bullockist wrote:
On a few posters ruining it for everyone else- I agree HBMC is to blame, he ruined my enjoyment of this site as i can only read his posts out of all 10000 members. I'm sick of his well thought out and humourous replies. Less of that and more somber boring crud please. Also does he have to post in every GW thread.... yes, yes he does

*squints*

Ok... adding Bullockist to 'the list'.

Don't be a hater HBMC.

 yakface wrote:

Through technical wizardry we know for a fact that quite a few people from Games Workshop regularly peruse Dakka, so I wouldn't take the word of a couple redshirts as gospel.

As with any group of people, some GW employees will like certain things and others won't like those same things...y'know, human nature and all that.

Now, whether or not GW coaches (or forces) their employees not to participate in online forums actively (posting) is another story. There seems to be anecdotal evidence that they do request/force their employees to refrain from posting online, something that isn't entirely uncommon among large corporations.

But that commandment (assuming it exists) certainly doesn't stop many, many GW employees from browsing dakka.

Very true. If you remember back on how tense on this site due do GW's throwing C&D's + Lawsuits. A few of us offered (myself included) names off attorneys and monetary funds to fight off any would be litigation from hostile intentions of others? Why? Because this site IS the site to learn things of the hobby in general. Of like minded individuals who can share thoughts and concepts to their fellow hobbyists.

This is something that a company, that is run in a manner like GW (because there are companies that have similar corporate ideals in their prospective spheres of influence) does not like.

Which is... A very large, well ran Independent web site within their sphere of influence that a corporation(s) has no control of.

You will be disliked by said corporation(s). But to the person who wants to listen, to learn to teach and give back to the hobby that we enjoy.

You and your staff are well loved and respected.


Adam.

 curran12 wrote:
It would be the 'GW manager posts on Dakka' situation made worse by several orders of magnitude. You'd have a flood of people storming in demanding (let's be honest with ourselves, people would be demanding) changes in everything from rules, to model design to how to run the business at an executive level. And, with the echo chamber effect, GW trying any kind of talking outside of the most obsequious begging and pleading will just be obliterated. Especially when the unfortunate community managers have to explain that they actually can't change the rules or business for the internet mob.

Could it work? Possibly. However, I think calling it a 'rough few weeks/months' does nothing to cover the amount of venom that would pour into that place on a daily, hourly basis. If GW would want to address it, they would need more than a handful of mods and community reps, they'd need to be pouring personnel resources into giving answers that would be adequate to pacify this mob.

Respectfully, I disagree with this conclusion. There was an Official GWS HR rep posting a Dakka for a while, and that (ahem) after an initial speedbump went well enough. Perhaps they could dip their toes into something even less debatable: rules. For example, YMDC is pretty well regimented and moderated, why not have a GW rep there whose only duty on the forum would be to answer rules related questions? It's straightforward, some questions are really easy (even I answer some now and them) and there is no real downside. You can't argue or scream or negotiate with the determination because the answer is essentially ex cathedra.

That's just one idea, but I don't think that the idea that GWS have irrevocably tainted themselves beyond all repair in the social media presence is a truism. Forge World seems to do alright, after all, and they deserve even more gak in a way with their high prices and highly dubious quality control... but that's another thread.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ok well that's pretty normal. I work in the telecommunications industry, and NDA's for upcoming products happen all the time. Of course, with us it's kinda silly that we have to be all secretive about a new iPhone or whatever when people already know it's coming and the news is already reporting the launch date.

That is where GW's policies put their own employees over a barrel.

GW staff member frequents Dakka and find out the Knights are coming.

The following day a customer comes in:

"What about the upcoming Knights?"

Staff member's internal monologue goes:

"Two weeks time, costing £xx, they look great, looking forward to it, what are you planning to do with yours? The rules are two weeks after that so you might want to hold off until the full rules are here"

In reality he's not allowed to discuss it and remembering his sales figure for this week goes:

"How about a Leman Russ/ Baneblade/ Lord of Skulls? Glue, Paint?"

It might be that some prefer ignorance of sites like this. At least that way they're not feeling like they have to duck and dive with customers over leaked release details.

@alphaecho what is the issue? As an employee, you cannot say it. Then be vague about it, or use humor; well i can tell you but then i have to kill you

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
@alphaecho what is the issue? As an employee, you cannot say it. Then be vague about it, or use humor; well i can tell you but then i have to kill you

I suppose it all depends on the risk to employment of getting caught talking about releases that the company hasn't officially launched yet. If the Boss is a toe the party line kind of guy, it might not be worth it.

I know that in my local store I prefer not to put the staff (who I like) in an awkward position by talking about stuff I've found out about on sites like this. I compare it to many (possibly too many) years ago when the staff were free to talk about everything upcoming. Sometimes you even learned from them about what was coming up months in advance.

For the OP, I'd say no more than people on here are trained to hate GW...

alphaecho wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ok well that's pretty normal. I work in the telecommunications industry, and NDA's for upcoming products happen all the time. Of course, with us it's kinda silly that we have to be all secretive about a new iPhone or whatever when people already know it's coming and the news is already reporting the launch date.

That is where GW's policies put their own employees over a barrel.

GW staff member frequents Dakka and find out the Knights are coming.

The following day a customer comes in:

"What about the upcoming Knights?"

Staff member's internal monologue goes:

"Two weeks time, costing £xx, they look great, looking forward to it, what are you planning to do with yours? The rules are two weeks after that so you might want to hold off until the full rules are here"

In reality he's not allowed to discuss it and remembering his sales figure for this week goes:

"How about a Leman Russ/ Baneblade/ Lord of Skulls? Glue, Paint?"

It might be that some prefer ignorance of sites like this. At least that way they're not feeling like they have to duck and dive with customers over leaked release details.

I don't know whether all GW are like this, but my personal experience is more like:

"What about the upcoming Knights?"

"I have no idea what you're talking about, but if I did.. I bet they'd be awesome and I'd want one!"

They then ask you to confirm what you know.. and discuss those rumours based on the info you give.

That doesn't sound too bad, the few times I asked my local redshirt his response was "You can't trust anything you see on the internet".