Fighting knight (and maybe things that actually are titans) with 'nids

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**zaak**

zaak wrote:
What about 1 tyrant with a reaper/AG/TS and ymgarl factor flying around smashing titans?

I'll also add that a Tyrant has a base STR of 6. The reaper will bring him up to 7, Ymgarl up to 8 and AG up to 9 on the charge. That's 4 attacks base in his profile and he will be equipped with 2 melee weapons at that point so that brings his attacks up to 5 +1 on the charge if I understand the "2 sets of CCWs add an attack" rule correctly.

6 str 9 attacks is nothing to scoff at. Throw maw claws on top of that with regen.

Yes, that's a 345 point Flyrant but that thing is going to finish off knights with low HP if you play it right.

There's your flying Carnifex right there. You can do this with a Trygon prime too.

**Xyptc**

zaak wrote:
zaak wrote:
What about 1 tyrant with a reaper/AG/TS and ymgarl factor flying around smashing titans?

I'll also add that a Tyrant has a base STR of 6. The reaper will bring him up to 7, Ymgarl up to 8 and AG up to 9 on the charge. That's 4 attacks base in his profile and he will be equipped with 2 melee weapons at that point so that brings his attacks up to 5 +1 on the charge if I understand the "2 sets of CCWs add an attack" rule correctly.

6 str 9 attacks is nothing to scoff at. Throw maw claws on top of that with regen.

Yes, that's a 345 point Flyrant but that thing is going to finish off knights with low HP if you play it right.

There's your flying Carnifex right there. You can do this with a Trygon prime too.

A Trygon Prime is even likely to survive the explosion as well. Of course there is then the problem of the Trygon being left high and dry, but still, it's worth considering.

By the way, are Vector Striking Crones immune to the explosion (by way of the explosion being a blast of sorts and the Crone being a Swooping FMC)?

**Eihnlazer**

yes, all FMC will be immune to the blast.

**xttz**

zaak wrote:
zaak wrote:
What about 1 tyrant with a reaper/AG/TS and ymgarl factor flying around smashing titans?

I'll also add that a Tyrant has a base STR of 6. The reaper will bring him up to 7, Ymgarl up to 8 and AG up to 9 on the charge. That's 4 attacks base in his profile and he will be equipped with 2 melee weapons at that point so that brings his attacks up to 5 +1 on the charge if I understand the "2 sets of CCWs add an attack" rule correctly.

6 str 9 attacks is nothing to scoff at. Throw maw claws on top of that with regen.

Yes, that's a 345 point Flyrant but that thing is going to finish off knights with low HP if you play it right.

There's your flying Carnifex right there. You can do this with a Trygon prime too.

Why would you use the Reaper over Crushing Claws? It's more than double the points for an objectively worse weapon. Plus if you have Armourbane, the crazy expensive Ymgarl upgrade is pretty redundant. CC + AG means S8+2D6 for pens, which is more than enough. Of course, the Flyrant is still a pretty-specialised suicide unit in this case. None of this gear helps it survive the Knight explosion.

Trygons are questionable, because at best they'll attack at the same time as the Knight meaning they have to weather the D-weapon chainsword hits plus any possible explosion.

**Fragile**

Gloomfang wrote:
Eihnlazer wrote:
2 flyrants with heavy venom cannon. Give your warlord rending claws.

3 crones

3 squads of warriors with venom cannon

2 squads of 2 zoans.

1500 points anti-knight army list.

He cant hit the flyers unless he wastes a knight to attempt to ground them with his 3 shot heavy stubber and you have 5 of them.

The zoans get their invuns againgst shooting and he probably will shoot at em, being afraid of lances.

the warriors can hide in cover and advance, not much threat at range. However with the rending claws and lash whip a decent threat in melee.

Nothing in the army is useless, so he has major target issues. His blasts are very ineffecient againgst such small ground units and obviously cant even hit the flyers.

Let me counter your army with a 1500pt knight army:

4 Paladins (Exactly 1500pts)

So lets see how your (very good actully) anti-knight list works out.

Each knight has 2 heavy stubbers with 3 shots each. Statisticly that is one hit per knight. As a SH they get to shoot all thier weapons at diffrent targets. So Stubbers to force grounding test and the cannon to ID against the crones.

If The stubber fails to drop a flyer then the cannon targets one of your other units. Probably the zoans first. One failed save kills one, but at leastthey have the invuln. For the warriors if they get hit they just die.

Funny thing is the knights actully have more scoring units then your list. So each knight moves to an objective. Takes pot shots trying to ground flyers to either BC or assault. No flyers on the ground then shoot at whatever unit they have LoS on.

And pray you don't get Purge.

While your points are true, that list should kill 1 Paladin a turn, glancing them out.

**PrinceRaven**

xttz wrote:
Why would you use the Reaper over Crushing Claws?

Because Hive Tyrants don't get Crushing Claws.