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That looks pretty good, id be interested to see how they did organic textures. Not long till launch now

Trumpeter! Awesome.
Trumpeter has slide core tooling and their models kits are relatively high quality and affordable. When they first started they were pretty cheap but recently they've been competing neck and neck with Tamiya and DML but are cheaper. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but they also do photo-etch IIRC. Awesome choice, they definitely know what they're doing.

I'll wait for confirmation that it is the same people involved with Trumpeter, but I don't know of a single other tiger kit that looks like the one posted other than the Trumpeter one.

And yeah, they started out as a cheap budget model options, but all their kits from the last few years have just been fantastic.

As for the organic vs vehicle issue, I think that'll end up being 100% on the 3d design side of things. If the mould making and injection stuff is done in a technically correct manner, then it'll pretty much faithfully reproduce the piece. If something can be crisp in detail for a rivet or an armour plate, organic shapes tend not to have the same sharp angles and are probably even less demanding on the plastic.

It is live!

Formatting still looks skewed using Firefox...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/the-empire-28mm-heroic-scale-medieval-fantasy-huma

It's live and I'm in for an imperial pledge thus far.


Regards,
Howie

So far the only 'stretch goals' are for unit unlocks - no 'freebies' or additional miniatures.

I also can't help but think that a different 'unlock order' would have made more sense.

Leaving the Griffon until the end maybe?

Moving Knights up sooner?

I think they've done that because the griffon will be a resin model and the knights plastic.

I'm really hoping they get backed for at least $225k so I don't end up with 6 cannons.


Regards,
Howie

Im thinking 1 of each unit for now. Have to see what they do with the pledge manager regarding adding on later. I'd love to get some heroes later.

In for a Gold level EB.

Ok so is this Heroic scale or true scale? If it is heroic scale then these renders cannot be the actual end target. These renders if printed to the same height as the average GW figure ( 32 mm ) will NOT look compatible with GW. To make these renders " GW " scaled then they would have to drastically reduce the distance between the hips and shoulder, enlarge the hands and Head drastically and shorten the length of the legs. Meaning that the final figures cannot look anything like these renders IF Heroic Scale is the target. If that is the case then these renders are no more than fancy concept art. If heroic scale is NOT the target then what thy have here might turn out well depending on their manufacturer / printer.

Personally I think what they have looks great for what it is and that the hobby should move on from the dated " heroic " scale anyway. BUT I also think that companies who are running Kickstarter campaigns should be a bit more transparently forthright or ( in the case of less experienced creators ) maybe better informed / aware as to what they will be delivering in the end.

 tre manor wrote:


Ok so is this Heroic scale or true scale? If it is heroic scale then these renders cannot be the actual end target. These renders if printed to the same height as the average GW figure ( 32 mm ) will NOT look compatible with GW. To make these renders " GW " scaled then they would have to drastically reduce the distance between the hips and shoulder, enlarge the hands and Head drastically and shorten the length of the legs. Meaning that the final figures cannot look anything like these renders IF Heroic Scale is the target. If that is the case then these renders are no more than fancy concept art. If heroic scale is NOT the target then what thy have here might turn out well depending on their manufacturer / printer.

Personally I think what they have looks great for what it is and that the hobby should move on from the dated " heroic " scale anyway. BUT I also think that companies who are running Kickstarter campaigns should be a bit more transparently forthright or ( in the case of less experienced creators ) maybe better informed / aware as to what they will be delivering in the end.

Hi tre manor, these renders are not the end target, you are right. We actually tried to explain that renders shown in the video are in human being proportions before we scale them to heroic scale since renders in heroic scale looks really different than the end result after they are printed. We decided to show these renders because they are more clean and good looking, we already explained everything about that, I apologize if this lead to confusion.

I'm kinda banking that they are not the current watermelon-head ham-fist GW scale. I prefer proportions more like Fife & Drum or Perry.

If this is approximately what we'll get then I'm 100% happy with that.

I'm in for a Platinum EB for now. Good to know who is doing the actual plastics, although I've not heard of Trumpeter, clearly others here have and are giving them good reviews, so my mind is at ease on that (it's not like everyone can use Wargames Factory every time, all the time).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'm in for a Platinum EB for now. Good to know who is doing the actual plastics, although I've not heard of Trumpeter, clearly others here have and are giving them good reviews, so my mind is at ease on that (it's not like everyone can use Wargames Factory every time, all the time).

Trumpeter makes 1/35 and 1/72 armor & tanks and their recent kits in the past year have utilized very high end manufacturing techniques and are competing directly with the biggest names in scale models (Tamiya and DML)
They also make aircraft and naval ship models, but I have little experience with that aspect of modeling.

 Haste Games wrote:

 tre manor wrote:


Ok so is this Heroic scale or true scale? If it is heroic scale then these renders cannot be the actual end target. These renders if printed to the same height as the average GW figure ( 32 mm ) will NOT look compatible with GW. To make these renders " GW " scaled then they would have to drastically reduce the distance between the hips and shoulder, enlarge the hands and Head drastically and shorten the length of the legs. Meaning that the final figures cannot look anything like these renders IF Heroic Scale is the target. If that is the case then these renders are no more than fancy concept art. If heroic scale is NOT the target then what thy have here might turn out well depending on their manufacturer / printer.

Personally I think what they have looks great for what it is and that the hobby should move on from the dated " heroic " scale anyway. BUT I also think that companies who are running Kickstarter campaigns should be a bit more transparently forthright or ( in the case of less experienced creators ) maybe better informed / aware as to what they will be delivering in the end.

Hi tre manor, these renders are not the end target, you are right. We actually tried to explain that renders shown in the video are in human being proportions before we scale them to heroic scale since renders in heroic scale looks really different than the end result after they are printed. We decided to show these renders because they are more clean and good looking, we already explained everything about that, I apologize if this lead to confusion.

That's a bit troubling, BUT if the models look like the pics JudgeDoug posted, all will be well!

Just to confirm, the pictures of painted figures on the ks show the renders after the heroic adjustments? Id be concerned if not and we were being maybe unintentionally misled.

 edlowe wrote:
Just to confirm, the pictures of painted figures on the ks show the renders after the heroic adjustments? Id be concerned if not and we were being maybe unintentionally misled.

The helmets on that painted sample are definitely the "post-heroic-adjustment" thing they showed earlier in the thread

 edlowe wrote:
Just to confirm, the pictures of painted figures on the ks show the renders after the heroic adjustments? Id be concerned if not and we were being maybe unintentionally misled.

Exactly

Hi tre manor, these renders are not the end target, you are right. We actually tried to explain that renders shown in the video are in human being proportions before we scale them to heroic scale since renders in heroic scale looks really different than the end result after they are printed. We decided to show these renders because they are more clean and good looking, we already explained everything about that, I apologize if this lead to confusion.

I'm kinda banking that they are not the current watermelon-head ham-fist GW scale. I prefer proportions more like Fife & Drum or Perry.

If this is approximately what we'll get then I'm 100% happy with that.

This is what I was getting at. The confusion was already there before you guys ever posted anything. The entire issue of " scale " is a crazy mess. I do not mean to insinuate AT ALL that I think you guys are beign shady or misleading. I am more trying to point out that you need to be a lot more specific about the end target and the scale compatibility aspect. Trust me I hear it all the time. Everyone has a different idea of what " heroic " scale is because even the manufacturers themselves have different ideas of what it means. What you are showing in the renders is great on it's own, bu tit will take some very drastic remodeling to make the end result " GW " scaled.

I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

 Haste Games wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

The question is simple. Will the final miniatures look exactly the same like the two painted version shown in the KS webpage?

Additionally and after pledging I have to admit that the pledge levels are quite high and the total amount which should be collected is alo very high. I don't say anything new. I has been pointed out previously. In order to produce all the main miniatures, which are included in the basic groups, 375k should be collected, namely 300k more than the fund amount. It seems too high. I hope to be proved wrong.

 corgan wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

The question is simple. Will the final miniatures look exactly the same like the two painted version shown in the KS webpage?

Additionally and after pledging I have to admit that the pledge levels are quite high and the total amount which should be collected is alo very high. I don't say anything new. I has been pointed out previously. In order to produce all the main miniatures, which are included in the basic groups, 375k should be collected, namely 300k more than the fund amount. It seems too high. I hope to be proved wrong.

Yes, the final miniatures will look exactly the same like the two painted versions shown in the KS webpage

Tentatively backed. Always interested in seeing new plastic in the fantasy/sci-fi market.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

 Haste Games wrote:

 corgan wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

The question is simple. Will the final miniatures look exactly the same like the two painted version shown in the KS webpage?

Additionally and after pledging I have to admit that the pledge levels are quite high and the total amount which should be collected is alo very high. I don't say anything new. I has been pointed out previously. In order to produce all the main miniatures, which are included in the basic groups, 375k should be collected, namely 300k more than the fund amount. It seems too high. I hope to be proved wrong.

Yes, the final miniatures will look exactly the same like the two painted versions shown in the KS webpage

Excellent news, they look perfectly proportioned to me

In for gold.

I love the proportions as shown in the painted exampled.

Perfect IMO.

I've read about a dozen meaning for the word "Heroic scale"

In short, I define it as ham fisted elephant men.

Haste Games miniatures seems to be more on the true scale (in terms of proportions) than "Heroic scale"

When Haste said they would be comparable in scale, I now assume comparable in height?

 Piston Honda wrote:
In for gold.

I love the proportions as shown in the painted exampled.

Perfect IMO.

I've read about a dozen meaning for the word "Heroic scale"

In short, I define it as ham fisted elephant men.

Haste Games miniatures seems to be more on the true scale (in terms of proportions) than "Heroic scale"

When Haste said they would be comparable in scale, I now assume comparable in height?

True enough!

Ham-fisted Bloated Head Men would seem to fit a lot of what GW sculpts.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
In for gold.

I love the proportions as shown in the painted exampled.

Perfect IMO.

I've read about a dozen meaning for the word "Heroic scale"

In short, I define it as ham fisted elephant men.

Haste Games miniatures seems to be more on the true scale (in terms of proportions) than "Heroic scale"

When Haste said they would be comparable in scale, I now assume comparable in height?

True enough!

Ham-fisted Bloated Head Men would seem to fit a lot of what GW sculpts.

They are that terrible.

When I compared a GW model to a Infinity model it was like comparing a Saturday night stripper in Philly to a weekday stripper in Binghamton, New York.

I think I know what you're after there, and will say that you win "Most Interesting Analogy for March 23, 2014"!

Fillet mignon vs Arby's roast beef.

That is all.