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I'm messing around with a couple of lists for a game next week. I've put together a falcon list, that sinks 50 points into one ship. It should be an utter beast, but what does dakka think? Bad idea?

Pros: extremely powerful, access to lots of fancy tricks that generic pilots can't do.

Cons: can only engage one ship at a time, vulnerable to swarming, usually not much more durable than a generic ship of the same type.

Big ships are the exception to the rule, since they effectively count as two smaller ships. That 50 point Falcon is really two 25-point X/B-wings bundled into a single large base, which is very different from spending 30-40 points on Wedge/Ten/Fel/etc.

It really depends on the ship. If you only have 2 ships they had better be big ships that are prepared to kill an enemy ship a turn and survive long enough to not get swarmed. If you posted the specific falcon list you could get better feedback. In my opinion 2x yt-1300 has the potential to be strong but there is not a lot of wiggle room for points so you have to spend wisely.

It is Chewie, with veteran instincts, gunner, nien nunb, and the falcon title.

I was going to support him with two rookie x wing pilots with proton torps to try and get some early kills.

I'm not seeing the benefit of Niem Nunb? There's nothing there that generates stress to benefit from the extra greens, unless you're planning on doing a lot of K turns?


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If you're going balls out on the Falcon, my personal favorite is

Han (pilot) Chewie and Gunner (Crew) plus shield upgrade and an EPT to taste, Marksmanship or PTL are always good choices, I've had surprisingly good use out of Expert Handling (barrel rolling a large base ship is hilarious!)

Remember, you're not obliged to use the Chewie card right away, so you can wait until you're hit with a nasty crit, or just about to explode, and then pop it.

I find k turns pretty useful due to my suckyness at maneuvering large ships.

Push the limit is an option - my imperial aces box arrived today...


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(Though with the falcon's 360 field of fire, it's not such an issue...)

Well, with the Falcon title, you can take both an offensive and defensive action (target lock and evade optimally) if you've got PTL, or Focus and Evade if you anticipate being on the defensive, mitigating yet more hits and making it even harder for your opponent to take down.

I played against a very deadly Han list,

Han Solo - Gunner, Expose
Y wing - Ion
B wing

Now you may be thinking expose why you wont get an evade every hit will connect. 5 Dice With 4 rerolls. Is pretty devastating.

I ran a mini tie swarm against him and on the first pass i did about 8 damage to him with a Extremely lucky crit that didn't allow him to make his shot. But i was in a tight spot because i couldnt turn around and face him because of asteroids and his other ships and i wasnt able to block him effectively. I got him down 2 3 hull but i just couldnt finish him ( Bad rolls on my part) It was quite the effect list.

I run two YT-1300s, one as the Falcon, using Lando and Chewie, and it's only lost once. Game came down to a single hull point and the guy got extremely lucky with his crits. Can't plan for luck, so I'm okay with my W:L ratio with it, seeing how it's currently at 5:1.

 Guitarquero wrote:
Now you may be thinking expose why you wont get an evade every hit will connect.

No, actually I'm thinking why expose when it's worse than a focus action that doesn't cost 4 points, and much worse than marksmanship. 5 dice with no focus/TL = 2.5 hits on average, 4 dice with focus = 3 hits on average, 4 dice with marksmanship = 3 hits on average and you get more crits. The only time you should ever even consider taking expose is when you have some kind of way to take extra actions and stack expose + focus, and even then it's a pretty questionable decision.

Expose has possible use on the one TIE pilot who already gets a bonus additional die for being in Range 1. On anyone else, it's practically a waste. That's been my experience, anyway.

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Expose has possible use on the one TIE pilot who already gets a bonus additional die for being in Range 1.

Nope. Actually there it's even worse than usual. The more dice you have already the smaller the value of an additional die compared to focusing your existing dice. Expose is only ever worth taking if you have a second action available to focus and expose at the same time.

 Peregrine wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Expose has possible use on the one TIE pilot who already gets a bonus additional die for being in Range 1.

Nope. Actually there it's even worse than usual. The more dice you have already the smaller the value of an additional die compared to focusing your existing dice. Expose is only ever worth taking if you have a second action available to focus and expose at the same time.

So...Vader? Who else actually has two abilities built in, unless you're running Lando behind people and passing out these abilities. I can honestly say I never use the damn thing. Took one look at it and the cons far outweigh the pros.

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 Peregrine wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Expose has possible use on the one TIE pilot who already gets a bonus additional die for being in Range 1.

Nope. Actually there it's even worse than usual. The more dice you have already the smaller the value of an additional die compared to focusing your existing dice. Expose is only ever worth taking if you have a second action available to focus and expose at the same time.

So...Vader? Who else actually has two abilities built in, unless you're running Lando behind people and passing out these abilities. I can honestly say I never use the damn thing. Took one look at it and the cons far outweigh the pros.

1) Vader
2) The new A-wing cards coming out mean Green+PTL+Expose is possible
3) Support ship- Lando, One of the shuttles, Vander, Garvin, etc.

Course, there are generally better options (PTL, Squad leader, Vet Instincts on the A-wing, PTL, etc.).