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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 06:21:18
Subject: A question on Autism
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PotentiallyLethal wrote:I work in a special residential school for boys on the autistic spectrum and can concur that wargaming, ccgs and rpgs really help in many ways with the boys I work with.
We regularly go out to club nights and competitions and this has helped a lot of the boys learn how to socialise better, the statistical basis of a lot of ccgs is a big attractor for them.
With a few of the boys with Asperger syndrome the game has become their specialty and helps give them a focus.
@poppa G: IQ of 160 isn't much use if you can't actually understand and function in the social world around you which is the biggest frustration for a lot of our older boys
Ah, good point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 06:28:34
Subject: Re:A question on Autism
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poppa G wrote:Having Autism seems like an advantage to me. Who wouldn't want a 160 IQ?
As PotentiallyLethal said, higher than average intelligence is very useful, but social skills tend to suffer and without a certain degree of those, it's difficult to translate that additional intelligence into meaningful real-world impact. Further, IQ is a fairly limited measure of overall intelligence, it denotes increased capacity in specific areas, and even in that more limited context modern research seems to indicate that the primary drivers of high IQ are based on socio-economic status and level of education, so it may well be entirely possible for someone with an ASD born into a low-income household and not given access to appropriate educational resources to end up with the disadvantages of an ASD but no discernible positive advantage.
Further, since Autism is a spectrum disorder, advantageous intellectual characteristics are not a guarantee, merely a statistically significant correlation. It would be entirely possible even for someone with the best socio-economic indicators and access to the best specialist education to still have severe learning difficulties.
Consider it this way; would you be willing to give up your ability to walk in order to gain an unspecified and potentially nonexistent increase in upper body strength as a result of being wheelchair-bound?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 10:22:50
Subject: A question on Autism
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I didn't know you could be diagnosed with Autism past childhood, or at least adolescence.
I have several ideas that I am totally infatuated with, to the point of neurosis and anxiety, but I don't have the characteristic lack of social skills to really lump myself into "autism". So I voted no. I'm sure there's something diagnosably wrong with me, but I'll never, ever pay someone to tell me what it is, so I'll probably never know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 13:00:06
Subject: A question on Autism
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I think its over diagnosed, pretty much anyone these days who misses a social que, feels strongly about something or simply does something loads seems to be autistic. Although its also pretty easy to spot the people who really are, theres two boys at my FGLS, one i knew was, one i thought was and that guy once i got speaking to him was normal as anyone else, just never really had many friends and never went out much, hence he was a little different. I think its becoming like ADHD in the late 90s if i'm honest. Although please don't feel like i'm trying to anger people by saying these things, i just worry about it being over diagnosed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 13:13:36
Subject: A question on Autism
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tau tse tung wrote:I think its over diagnosed, pretty much anyone these days who misses a social que, feels strongly about something or simply does something loads seems to be autistic. Although its also pretty easy to spot the people who really are, theres two boys at my FGLS, one i knew was, one i thought was and that guy once i got speaking to him was normal as anyone else, just never really had many friends and never went out much, hence he was a little different. I think its becoming like ADHD in the late 90s if i'm honest. Although please don't feel like i'm trying to anger people by saying these things, i just worry about it being over diagnosed.
It's quite possible. There's no test that shows you're positive for autism. It only diagnosed based on a series of observations. Combined with the fact that it can be expressed in a variety of ways, it makes it very difficult to properly identify.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 13:29:50
Subject: A question on Autism
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Susan Boyle's Wikipedia page lists:
"In 2012, Boyle was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. She made her diagnosis public in a BBC interview in December 2013."
I'd rank in the scale somewhere for a handful of the social 'irregularities':
"impairments in social interaction; impairments in communication; and restricted interests and repetitive behavior".
3/3 really
I've never been diagnosed, but as I have family who worked in the field from before I was born, I'm probably a guinea pig for all sorts of techniques and 'remedies'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 16:52:59
Subject: A question on Autism
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I have a son on the spectrum. Diagnosed at 21 months. He is 5 days from turning 8, and has been in therapy weekly since then. I am the den leader of his cub scout den and pack leader of his scout pack and if you didn't know it, you would think he wasn't any different from the rest of the weirdness of adolescence. We have about three other boys that are on the spectrum in varying degrees as well, some more severely than others.
He's the reason I still game with 40K. I was about to unload all my old books and while I was cataloging them for sale he found the pile. My old books became his new obsession. We've picked up a chaos army for him in bits and pieces of other trades and while the complexities of the rules are still a bit beyond his age, I am hit with boundless questions of the history of GW fluff.
To the OPs orginal statement, I do think this hobby does pull towards the interests of people on the spectrum, but only so far as it pulls towards the interests of males anyway. Boys are much more likely to be diagnosed, so it would stand that any male attracted to the hobby would have a chance of being on the spectrum.
I also agree that diagnosis is increasing, however I don't think it is a situation of overdiagnosis, but an increase in awareness. You don't win an award for having a child on the spectrum. There is no special increased cut from an insurance provider if you bump your medical diagnosis rate. There is no ability to say you had your child diagnosed a year ago but he's "cured" now. You can look forward to afternoons and weekends of therapy. You get the potential joy of arguing with local school disctricts and educators. You get the special privilage of worrying about what happens when you are no longer around to provide help and direction.
I will say one thing though. If you do think you are possibly on the spectrum, or that your child is, go talk to a medical professional. The key to developing a management of this is diagnosis, and the earlier that happens, the better the outcomes. It's not a phase, its not something your son or daughter will grow out of. It is something that they will combat every day of their life.
And to the post that said they were told they were and told they were and then told they were not anymore. I can see that happening. I know children that have been diagnosed young that you cannot reasonably determine that they are anymore. They only achieved this abliity through consistant therapy and learning the skills necessary to cope in society.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 17:26:43
Subject: A question on Autism
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Shotgun wrote:
I also agree that diagnosis is increasing, however I don't think it is a situation of overdiagnosis, but an increase in awareness. You don't win an award for having a child on the spectrum. There is no special increased cut from an insurance provider if you bump your medical diagnosis rate. There is no ability to say you had your child diagnosed a year ago but he's "cured" now. You can look forward to afternoons and weekends of therapy. You get the potential joy of arguing with local school disctricts and educators. You get the special privilage of worrying about what happens when you are no longer around to provide help and direction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 17:33:34
Subject: A question on Autism
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Lint wrote:Shotgun wrote:
I also agree that diagnosis is increasing, however I don't think it is a situation of overdiagnosis, but an increase in awareness. You don't win an award for having a child on the spectrum. There is no special increased cut from an insurance provider if you bump your medical diagnosis rate. There is no ability to say you had your child diagnosed a year ago but he's "cured" now. You can look forward to afternoons and weekends of therapy. You get the potential joy of arguing with local school disctricts and educators. You get the special privilage of worrying about what happens when you are no longer around to provide help and direction.
Oh God yes, exalted for this bit alone.
Agreed. My family has had ups and downs with all of those shenanigans. But, at the end of the day, I keep my sister exactly how she is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 20:04:13
Subject: Re:A question on Autism
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poppa G wrote:Having Autism seems like an advantage to me. Who wouldn't want a 160 IQ?
How about a 125 IQ & never having a relationship by the age of 40.
I would love to be thick & have children.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 20:06:05
Subject: Re:A question on Autism
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I have aspergers, not autism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 20:16:00
Subject: A question on Autism
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Frankenberry wrote:Are there different tests depending on what you're looking for in the spectrum? Or does a specialist choose several as sort of a broad sweep?
I don't have a knowledge of the various testing techniques but the tests I took were reasonably varied. I suppose it depends on how severe your condition is. As I am able to interact with people to some degree I was able to perform complex tasks / tests after just 1 explanation. for someone with a severe case it's probably easier to diagnosis with just observation & it would most likely be at an early age. As I said I was only diagnosed at 39 as my condition is not so severe as to be obvious. It has still had a huge affect on my life.
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As far as I am aware Aspegers is on the autism spectrum. I was also told at my diagnosis results meeting that the British medical establishment has stop using the term and is now called high functioning autism (the type I have). I think this is to stop any confusion that Aspergers is totally different to autism.
I have fould this link that you may find interesting to browse (please do not take offence, I'm not trying to belittle or insult you): http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autism/autism-and-asperger-syndrome-an-introduction/what-is-asperger-syndrome.aspx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/10 20:47:08
Subject: A question on Autism
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Probably to stop people saying Assburgers and claiming their unwillingness to socialize is a medical condition. Aspergers? Sounds mysterious and deep. Has a stigma of the quiet, thoughtful person leafing through underground novels. High-functioning Autism? Sounds like mummy needs to help you with your trousers. This has been my experience, and after I've been through the process and rigors without the condition, I honestly feel miserable with this flagrant attitude to conditions that require support that are simply pulled out as excuses. It's the same problem I've had with pseudo-depression People who post pop lyrics on Facebook thinking they have some meaning They use it as an excuse to avoid situations and add a false depth to their character. And to the post that said they were told they were and told they were and then told they were not anymore. I can see that happening. I know children that have been diagnosed young that you cannot reasonably determine that they are anymore. They only achieved this abliity through consistant therapy and learning the skills necessary to cope in society.
This wasn't when I was young or in a particularly intensive period of development. This started when I was 12, and I remained on the spectrum for 2 years according to the NHS, without ever being informed of this decision or receiving any therapy or support. My school knew before I did, by a year and a half. Then, when I was in a mental hospital for depression, they carried out the assessment again, under incredibly biased conditions (they put me in a quiet room and made me read stories from picture books and play with dolls. At the age of 14. It would seem awkward and forced.) and returned it as positive. They then pressured me to visit autistic societies. It wasn't until February this year, the day after I turned 15, that anybody actually informed my parents to the contrary. This coming from one of the doctors who assessed me; the other had retired. This wasn't a failing specifically in the diagnosis (although that did occur), but more in communication. I think it is unacceptable to leave my family hanging for two years before having anything happening. I can ultimately say that this story has helped me form my altogether negative opinions on mental health care in the UK. I've experienced most of the Child and Adolescent services (Depression and Autism) and my father works at the other end of the spectrum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/11 13:08:55
Subject: A question on Autism
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I didn't knew you could be diagnosed with autism so late, that's interesting.
I always though I had some personality traits/behaviors really common with the typical autism descriptions, but since none ever said anything I always thought it was just me having an eccentric personality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/12 15:09:43
Subject: A question on Autism
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BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Probably to stop people saying Assburgers and claiming their unwillingness to socialize is a medical condition.
Aspergers? Sounds mysterious and deep. Has a stigma of the quiet, thoughtful person leafing through underground novels.
High-functioning Autism? Sounds like mummy needs to help you with your trousers.
This has been my experience, and after I've been through the process and rigors without the condition, I honestly feel miserable with this flagrant attitude to conditions that require support that are simply pulled out as excuses. It's the same problem I've had with pseudo-depression People who post pop lyrics on Facebook thinking they have some meaning They use it as an excuse to avoid situations and add a false depth to their character.
Are you comparing people with a genuine medical disability to people who post pop lyrics on facebook? In my experience, the bigger deal you make of it, the worse it is for the person. While I agree that aspergers and high functioning autism have the same causes, the people I know people who have been diagnosed with aspergers before it was integrated tended to be better adapted than the people I know who have had High Functioning Autism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/12 17:33:21
Subject: A question on Autism
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FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote: BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Probably to stop people saying Assburgers and claiming their unwillingness to socialize is a medical condition.
Aspergers? Sounds mysterious and deep. Has a stigma of the quiet, thoughtful person leafing through underground novels.
High-functioning Autism? Sounds like mummy needs to help you with your trousers.
This has been my experience, and after I've been through the process and rigors without the condition, I honestly feel miserable with this flagrant attitude to conditions that require support that are simply pulled out as excuses. It's the same problem I've had with pseudo-depression People who post pop lyrics on Facebook thinking they have some meaning They use it as an excuse to avoid situations and add a false depth to their character.
Are you comparing people with a genuine medical disability to people who post pop lyrics on facebook? In my experience, the bigger deal you make of it, the worse it is for the person. While I agree that aspergers and high functioning autism have the same causes, the people I know people who have been diagnosed with aspergers before it was integrated tended to be better adapted than the people I know who have had High Functioning Autism.
First, they're the same thing. High-functioning Autism is merely autism where the sufferer is less directly affected. It's an umbrella term for conditions such as Aspergers, rather than those who cannot function independently. Most medical professionals nowadays talk about it as High-Functioning Autism, as that is where they place the person on the spectrum.
Secondly, I wasn't discrediting it's a serious medical condition. Suffering from depression, I get annoyed by people who think that pretending they suffer from my condition will give them artificial depth. It makes me feel degraded; my issues are meaningless to others. A similar thing happens with Aspergers. Plenty of people self-diagnose in order to justify social awkwardness or just not wanting to go out. Some use it as a boon for their personality. This is difficult to disprove, as mental illness is incredibly hard to classify. I feel it's a mockery of a condition and I just find it pretentious and annoying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/12 18:43:03
Subject: Re:A question on Autism
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poppa G wrote:Having Autism seems like an advantage to me. Who wouldn't want a 160 IQ?
Not everyone with autism has an IQ of 160 though. I have a mild form (would that be what people here refer to as 'High-functioning'?)' of Asperger's, but I 'only' have an IQ of about 136-140. And having a high IQ is nice, but it is not everything. Having a high IQ can be really, really difficult at times. Especially in interaction with people with not such high IQs. It is often like you are on a completely different level of thinking. I usually have little trouble socialising with other high IQed people though (I am usually somewhat shy at first), and I am grateful for that. Some people have more severe cases of autism and they have really a lot of trouble socialising and being understood, and some really suffer from it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/12 18:48:43
Subject: Re:A question on Autism
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I don't think anyone wants to be classified with aspergers- but it does distinguish between those who are affected by autism and those who are extremely affected by autism. Even though 3 of my friends (who have been diagnosed at an extremely young age) who admit there is no difference refer to their condition as "asperger syndrome" because there is much less negative stigma associated with it.
I know they are the same disease, but some of these people need a differenciation. It is basically like saying "I have a very hard time interacting socially and have some obcessions but I am incredibly smart and have adapted well/okay" instead of "I have a very hard time interacting socially and have some obcessions and/but I am very smart/mildly smart/normal intelligence/dumb"
I think it describes the person better, and how they have handled autism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/12 18:50:43
Subject: Re:A question on Autism
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Iron_Captain wrote: poppa G wrote:Having Autism seems like an advantage to me. Who wouldn't want a 160 IQ?
Not everyone with autism has an IQ of 160 though.
I have a mild form (would that be what people here refer to as 'High-functioning'?)' of Asperger's, but I 'only' have an IQ of about 136-140. And having a high IQ is nice, but it is not everything. Having a high IQ can be really, really difficult at times. Especially in interaction with people with not such high IQs. It is often like you are on a completely different level of thinking.
I usually have little trouble socialising with other high IQed people though (I am usually somewhat shy at first), and I am grateful for that.
Some people have more severe cases of autism and they have really a lot of trouble socialising and being understood, and some really suffer from it.
I've always wondered what my I.Q is. My estimate is around 130. And I think most people have a hard time communicating with morons.
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