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Yes you should buy it. If anything, it is going to be a refreshing change to try out some new builds. To top it off , codexes are always a good read as well.

So, they got rid of every Basilisk variant other than the Basilisk, all of your special characters that didn't have models, the Penal Legion, got their Plasma Pistols/Power Weapons increased to be in line with every other army and, didn't buff your close combat units?

I guess some of that sucks, but really, not buffing close combat units in the Imperial Gunline army? Or not getting a Superheavy in your codex (when it's a lord of war)? Yeah, the Imperial Knights change things a bit, but, honestly, the Imperial Knights will probably stay the only Superheavys in 40k w/o Escalation, so people have a reason to buy them.

Might buy plastic ogryn for my free bootaz... maybe.

Depends if GW wants to burn them...I mean they already have two miniatures so I don't think they'd 'have' to to be consistent with protecting their ip...but who knows, maybe that happens.

I don't see what the problem for the taurox is.

Yeah its side armor is 1 less than a rhino.

But it has much better armament, and can be a fast vehicle.

Its basically a non skimmer DE like vehicle, gives more variety to guard.

blaktoof wrote:
I don't see what the problem for the taurox is.

Mostly that it's redundant. IG squads are fragile, so they need a transport that can protect them. And that means the Chimera or Valkyrie/Vendetta, not a weaker Rhino. The extra firepower of the Taurox doesn't make up for its failure to do its job properly, you can get guns from every other part of the codex. And the insult to injury is that the Chimera just got nerfed, possibly to make the cheaper Taurox that nobody wanted seem more appealing.

blaktoof wrote:
I don't see what the problem for the taurox is.

Yeah its side armor is 1 less than a rhino.

But it has much better armament, and can be a fast vehicle.

Its basically a non skimmer DE like vehicle, gives more variety to guard.

It's a ridiculously flimsy metal box that doesn't have the speed, certainly not the firepower, or saves that make Dark Eldar vehicles viable.

It is an answer to precisely none of the problems a Guard army faces and seems to mostly exist because a model designer really wanted a Buffalo MRAP in the Imperial Guard.

 Barksdale wrote:
To top it off , codexes are always a good read as well.

Except the old IG codex is 104 pages and the new AM codex is... 104 pages.



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blaktoof wrote:
I don't see what the problem for the taurox is.

Yeah its side armor is 1 less than a rhino.

But it has much better armament, and can be a fast vehicle.

only if you play Stormtroopers Codex

Honestly I'd pick a Multilaser and a Heavy Bolter over a twin-linked autocannon anyday. With the Chimera I have the option of at least hiding somewhere and presenting AV12 to the enemy and firing away, or rushing forward 18" and hoping for the best with dual heavy flamers. The Taurox is maybe 20 points cheaper and can re-roll difficult terrain tests, but I dont think many guard players would switch to them from Chimeras also because everyone has a handful of these lying around, but would have to purchase taurox kits and right now there is no incentive.

From preliminary information, I'm not excited at all about this release, and will not be pre-ordering anything. It certainly looks like IG are going to get the Tyranid and CSM treatment. Few units that needed help are going to get it, units that were largely OK are going to get the nerfbat, a couple of the old broken unit are getting really hammered, a bunch of new stuff that nobody asked for that's not particularly impressive will be added, and some other units will be flat out removed. Color me unimpressed.

That said, once the book comes out, I'll give it a good read over and may have to adjust my perceptions accordingly.

However, if my current perceptions hold, I'm going to be sticking to Imperial Armour books for the next few years it looks like.

All the cool characters that made me want to play IG are now gone? What replaced them?



This is more proof that GW is going downhill at an increasing rate. The Taurox looks so awful it's like something from a Nintendo game...

Also what's up with the measly 102 page codex? Seems like a rip. Also the Municipal Cafeteria Codex or whatever the other new one is called, what's up with that? 72 pages? Baloney! And to think I was considering buying some of the new GW books... what a joke.

darkcloak wrote:
All the cool characters that made me want to play IG are now gone? What replaced them?



This is more proof that GW is going downhill at an increasing rate. The Taurox looks so awful it's like something from a Nintendo game...

*Cough*Huge Nintendo fan and Metroid/Mario loremaster*Cough*

The tyranid rumours even shortly before release contained a huge amount of BS/wishlisting that proved incorrect. So maybe some of this is wrong for the IG dex. If the dex does end up as Vaktathi described above, then if following the tyranid treatment IG players can expect dataslates/formations or supplements to come out bringing back some of the units/rules and/or flavour that may be removed or not added.

At this stage it wouldn't surprise me since we are talking about GW - why include everything in an overpriced dex when we can get players to buy the dex and additional rule releases to try to have a complete dex. At least for as long as players except these types of shenanigans.

Out of curiosity are the rumors about Doctrines gone entirely? Because Ill be honest if there are no Doctrines present in the new book then I will be sticking to my FW IG and probably a Space Marine army. Not turning my nose up at the book just yet, however I do think the Hydra in particular is a stupid way to go, Skyfire but no interceptor?

The mere concept that a new book has to make previous strategies invalid is super dumb having played a lot more different games over the past year.

Why not add new strategies and units or special characters instead of deleting many and invalidating previously viable armies? What, was Chimera spam too much of a winning power house? Wait, they don't care about that. So is there suddenly a narrative that the new MRAP tank is taking away from production of Chimeras, thus the cost to manufactur has gone up making them rarer?

Defending these new releases makes people look silly. They are actively abusing loyal player bases now after Tyranids. There's no reason that the formations couldn't have been in the book, more so after deleting units and invalidating different play styles.

 Kain wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
All the cool characters that made me want to play IG are now gone? What replaced them?



This is more proof that GW is going downhill at an increasing rate. The Taurox looks so awful it's like something from a Nintendo game...

*Cough*Huge Nintendo fan and Metroid/Mario loremaster*Cough*

I like Nintendo too, but I don't want to scoot my army dolls around in Diddy Kong Karts...

darkcloak wrote:

 Kain wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
All the cool characters that made me want to play IG are now gone? What replaced them?



This is more proof that GW is going downhill at an increasing rate. The Taurox looks so awful it's like something from a Nintendo game...

*Cough*Huge Nintendo fan and Metroid/Mario loremaster*Cough*

I like Nintendo too, but I don't want to scoot my army dolls around in Diddy Kong Karts...

I, for one, enjoy the idea of attacking my opponent's SHV, tides, Wave Serpents, etc, with blue shells.

If that is true about the Hydra, maybe interceptor will come out a few weeks after dex release in a dataslate/supplement - but you will have to have 6 hydra in your list (gotta sell the models)

darkcloak wrote:

 Kain wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
All the cool characters that made me want to play IG are now gone? What replaced them?



This is more proof that GW is going downhill at an increasing rate. The Taurox looks so awful it's like something from a Nintendo game...

*Cough*Huge Nintendo fan and Metroid/Mario loremaster*Cough*

I like Nintendo too, but I don't want to scoot my army dolls around in Diddy Kong Karts...

Anyone who thinks Nintendo isn't capable of serious or genuinely scary designs has never played Kirby, Metroid (the prime saga especially), looked at Zelda in depth; or went through the last bit of Earthbound where the cutsey story took a complete 180.

 Kain wrote:

darkcloak wrote:

 Kain wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
All the cool characters that made me want to play IG are now gone? What replaced them?



This is more proof that GW is going downhill at an increasing rate. The Taurox looks so awful it's like something from a Nintendo game...

*Cough*Huge Nintendo fan and Metroid/Mario loremaster*Cough*

I like Nintendo too, but I don't want to scoot my army dolls around in Diddy Kong Karts...

Anyone who thinks Nintendo isn't capable of serious or genuinely scary designs has never played Kirby, Metroid (the prime saga especially), looked at Zelda in depth; or went through the last bit of Earthbound where the cutsey story took a complete 180.

Oh yeah, the end game of Earthbound / Mother is messed up. Such sweet, sweet nightmare fuel was made that day.

I mean, listen to this




It's like something from Silent Hill

If the Taurox was redundant, that would be alright. But it's not as good as the Chimera and really serves no purpose.
Its sad if "redundant" would be an improvement.

Don't do it. Play an older Imperial Guard (screw this trademark bs) codex with your friends. Update the rules yourself for the 6th edition, if you insist on playing 6th (which I'd also heavily advise against).

GW can only make the game as miserable as you let them. Enjoying 40k without GW is my new philosophy and has worked out quite well.

They removed the Medusa? Why?
I need it! I want it!

 Sir Arun wrote:
1) Chenkov is gone

No worries, nobody used him in official games anyway. Although he was awesome for casual games and proxies.

2) Al Rahem is gone

He shall be missed, although I can see why they'd axe him. Maybe he's getting replaced by something good!

3) Mogul Kamir is gone

I'm starting to feel like they're taking away too many special characters. Okay, whatever. Still sounds fine.

4) Bastonne is gone

I begin to feel annoyed.

5) Harker is gone

Wait, what? Seriously? Are you really serious? *takes a deep breath*. Okay. I can deal with this.

6) Sly Marbo is gone

I'm starting to feel a little abused.

7) The Griffon is gone

A lot abused

8) The awesome Colossus is gone

No.... please no.

9) The Medusa is gone

THE BEES! Not the bees! They're in my eyes!

10) The Penal Legion is gone

It hurts! The bees! Aaagh, they're raping me!

Sounding to me like the first friggin' codex that has less options than the codex published before it. I mean, wtf? The only thing I was really looking forward to was the Bullgryns. I'm still buying it because you have to or be an absolute relic if you play Guard, but I'm unhappy about it. Especially because I use lots of special characters and fluffy choices.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
1) Chenkov is gone

No worries, nobody used him in official games anyway. Although he was awesome for casual games and proxies.

2) Al Rahem is gone

He shall be missed, although I can see why they'd axe him. Maybe he's getting replaced by something good!

3) Mogul Kamir is gone

I'm starting to feel like they're taking away too many special characters. Okay, whatever. Still sounds fine.

4) Bastonne is gone

I begin to feel annoyed.

5) Harker is gone

Wait, what? Seriously? Are you really serious? *takes a deep breath*. Okay. I can deal with this.

6) Sly Marbo is gone

I'm starting to feel a little abused.

7) The Griffon is gone

A lot abused

8) The awesome Colossus is gone

No.... please no.

9) The Medusa is gone

THE BEES! Not the bees! They're in my eyes!

10) The Penal Legion is gone

It hurts! The bees! Aaagh, they're raping me!

Sounding to me like the first friggin' codex that has less options than the codex published before it. I mean, wtf? The only thing I was really looking forward to was the Bullgryns. I'm still buying it because you have to or be an absolute relic if you play Guard, but I'm unhappy about it. Especially because I use lots of special characters and fluffy choices.

I laughed, have an exalt.

its funny because of how the last IG codex was an infinite improvement over the pre-previous (3rd ed) one. It added so many new variants that used to be FW only and now GW takes it away from us again. maybe thats the reason people are whining.

Here I was, in my naivité, thinking the 6th edition Imperial Guard codex would be awesome, fixing ogryns, making special characters cheaper, and adding lots of FW toys into mainstream 40k like the vulture, thunderer, leman russ conqueror, powerlifter cc-sentinels, mukaali rough riders, tauros venators, regimental doctrines etc. but

...lets see...


NOPE.

Here's to another 5 years.

I'm not convinced at all that they completely got rid of all guard special characters. Perhaps they might be in a dataslate, but they're not all gone forever. Not unless they added in a huge new heap of special characters to replace them.

I'd be sad if respawning conscripts got removed from the game, though. That was a fun way to play infantry platoons, and the only way I could get them to be decently powerful in 6th ed.


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Also, on the GW website, the description of the codex includes:

Full descriptions of all the characters, units and vehicles available to the Astra Militarum; including each units role on the battlefield, its rules and unique skills.

Characters.

 Ailaros wrote:
I'm not convinced at all that they completely got rid of all guard special characters. Perhaps they might be in a dataslate, but they're not all gone forever. Not unless they added in a huge new heap of special characters to replace them.

I'd be sad if respawning conscripts got removed from the game, though. That was a fun way to play infantry platoons, and the only way I could get them to be decently powerful in 6th ed.

You'll get your respawning troops in a dataslate for the low price of your right testicle.

 Sir Arun wrote:
its funny because of how the last IG codex was an infinite improvement over the pre-previous (3rd ed) one. It added so many new variants that used to be FW only and now GW takes it away from us again. maybe thats the reason people are whining.

Yeah.

Well and I think that the one problem with the old guard codex is that a lot of the fun options, like the special characters and elite choices, weren't worth using.

To fix this I wouldn't have piking removed them all! I would have done some rule changes, modified a few abilities. For example, I'd have have Al'Rahims ability be more useful. I would have given Penal Legions better special abilities, to make them actually feel like crazy combat vets instead of overcosted guardsmen. That sort of thing.

If they did remove all that (and it seems likely now), it's a step in the wrong direction.

 Vaktathi wrote:
However, if my current perceptions hold, I'm going to be sticking to Imperial Armour books for the next few years it looks like.

Just hope they don't ruin those too, when they "update" them to match the new IG abomination.

As for the OP, no, not buying the book. I'll probably get it to read and see just how horrible it is, but I'm not giving GW money for this garbage.

 Ailaros wrote:
Characters.

because of yarrick, nork, strakken, creeeeeeed and kell

I think I shall put my guard army on the shelf to work on my HH army. It was a good run though.