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Basically the day of the shooting they were putting up bills to ban guns.

And oh how well that worked.

Diabolical.

How about the giants that live here in the US before the Native Americans? The Native Americans allegedly had a verbal history of them as ancients, I ve seen a few lectures on the mound builders. I've seen the photos of a very few remains. Would like to see some in person. But it really doesnt matter.

 Kelly502 wrote:
How about the giants that live here in the US before the Native Americans?

That falls under religion more than conspiracy theory. It would be akin to saying that the Noah story (now in theaters!) is a conspiracy theory.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
T-Rexes almost certainly subsisted solely on coconuts.

And how do you know this? Proof that the sparrows that carried them into the T-Rex hunting grounds?


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 Ahtman wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
How about the giants that live here in the US before the Native Americans?

That falls under religion more than conspiracy theory. It would be akin to saying that the Noah story (now in theaters!) is a conspiracy theory.

However, the conspiracy lies in the Smithsonian gathering evidence from the dig sites, and never allowing anyone to study them... The mounds up in the North East were written off as folk were told they were root cellars.

Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.

The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.

Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.

Hey Curran. Area51 perfect example for you. We all can see it but no idea what's really in it.

 Kelly502 wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
T-Rexes almost certainly subsisted solely on coconuts.

And how do you know this? Proof that the sparrows that carried them into the T-Rex hunting grounds?

Not quite: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/347706.page

Here is a link, I enjoy his lectures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW_8Rfb0ZvM&sns=em




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 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
T-Rexes almost certainly subsisted solely on coconuts.

And how do you know this? Proof that the sparrows that carried them into the T-Rex hunting grounds?

Not quite: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/347706.page

Well now kidding! that changed my life right there! I guess sharks ate coconuts that fell into the water too.

 Jihadin wrote:
Hey Curran. Area51 perfect example for you. We all can see it but no idea what's really in it.

And THIS is the real outrage. I'm incredibly offended that the government is spending my tax dollars on awesome new planes and not letting me fly them, or even know what they are.

 Seaward wrote:
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are but they're likely lizard men.

Everybody knows man.

Philby wasn't the highest placed mole in MI-6 either his boss was a double agent and/or highly placed cabinet secretaries were committed to the communist cause.

This is probably more within the realms of truth rather than a conspiracy theory. Though conspiracists have claimed that PM's have been spys

Widely-believed conspiracies that irk me to no end:

- 9/11: You probably know more about this than I do.

- Jews created central banks to enslave the free peoples of Europe and America: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion's natural descendant.

- Eurabia: In 30 years Europe will become a muslim caliphate thanks to a population time bomb planted after a covert agreement between the european left and Islam. A race-swapped version of the "Protocols", combined with the fear of the prodigious reproductive abilities often attributed to "lesser races". Proponents of this theory blissfully ignore all demographical data collected in Europe from the 60s onwards, the differences between islamism, soviet-inspired thirdworldism and arab nationalist movements, and presume Islam to be a single coherent political body. And still, this theory has enough mainstream credibility to pop up in the media from time to time, and certain people in high places fully adhere to it. Scary.

- We are the 99%: As a political slogan created to rally people of all creeds, affiliations and walks of life under the Occupy banner, it's brilliant. As an analysis of the financial crisis, believing the world is run by a secret elite acting in concert is not only simplistic, it's even dangerous.

- Carbohydrates/glucose are ruining human health: In prehistoric times, when we were all vegans/crudivores/practised crossfit we all had the bodies of athletes and top models, were perfectly healthy and in tune with nature, but then jews/feminazis/*insert your least favorite ethnic/political group here* destroyed our perfect society of hunter-gatherers and corraled us in cities where they fed us on processed food to make slaves of us. I can't read this stuff without having Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" playing in the background. A painful reminder that anthropology and gym locker room banter don't mix.

- Feminazis/the UN/Aliens are secretly making us gay: It's a major plot point on Joe Haldeman's "The Forever War" and now a crazypants conspiracy theory (often) involving chemtrails, radical feminists, Disney stars like Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato and most likely jews, too. All being agents and/or instigators of a plot to attack masculinity in order to control free reproduction, reduce mankind to manageable numbers and install a covert eugenics program. So dumb I'm at a loss for words.

- 3/11: We spaniards have our own 9/11 conspiracy, and like its parent theory it's so disgusting I'd rather spare you the details for now.

I'll post the ones I believe (or at least the ones I grant the benefit of doubt) on a later date...

 poppa G wrote:

DutchWinsAll wrote:

 poppa G wrote:
I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be ... the Sandy Hook shooting.

So you believe a few hundred to a few thousand (at least) people were paid off by the Federal govt to fake the deaths of 26 children and adults (forgetting about every other mass school shooting) to do what exactly? Fail to re-institute a gun ban that was in practice from 1994 to 2004?

Are you one of those people that needs to see pics of dead children to get off or are you just a conspiracy nut?

Please, go ahead and tell me what anyone had to gain by faking the murder of children. The only people I can see that actually gained any financial benefit from Sandy Hook was the gun industry. They saw record numbers for months after.

Because you know what, there is no conspiracy. Some POS killed a bunch of people and an inept President thought he could garner more votes by inaccurately gauging that the American populace wanted "gun control", even when every piece of legislation they passed was horribly, horribly written (NYS SAFE Act for instance). And those politicians were quickly shot down for having stupid ideas, as they should have.

Please, do tell the "conspiracy".

What do they have to gain? Gun control laws. Basically the day of the shooting they were putting up bills to ban guns.

So they gained absolutely nothing?

And wasn't the first thing out of the NRA's mouth "mental health!" or do you give them a pass. So do you think the lie was that there was no shooting? No dead kids?

Here is an article on conspiracy psychology: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/conspiracy_theory_psychology_people_who_claim_to_know_the_truth_about_jfk.html
The last line of said article:

Conspiracy believers are the ultimate motivated skeptics. Their curse is that they apply this selective scrutiny not to the left or right, but to the mainstream. They tell themselves that they’re the ones who see the lies, and the rest of us are sheep. But believing that everybody’s lying is just another kind of gullibility.

That pretty much sums up my idea of conspiracy theories. While "conspiracies" have been proven true, such as the NSA stuff (even though I thought it was common knowledge that they were doing it but the extent was not known), an overwhelming majority of conspiracies are not true and most have actual evidence to back that up. It bothers me that so many intelligent, logical people can believe such dumb things.

These are some that really bother me:

Vaccines & autism (plus the "big pharma" conspiracy):
There is absolutely no link between the two and numerous studies have been conducted to show that. It all started with one entirely flawed study by a man with a proven conflict of interest which lead to the science by press conference media frenzy that followed. The "Big Pharma" conspiracies are related to this because when people believe one they tend to believe the other. For anyone that doesn't know, "Big Pharma" conspiracy theories claim that every major pharmaceutical company in the world is colluding to suppress "miracle cures" (weed, lemons, herbs, etc) to various disease (most often cancer) in order to keep us sick so we are forced to buy their medicine. The notion is ridiculous because if you look at the history of medicine you can find that making medicines from "natural" origins forever and that has never stopped a company from producing their own version of it and selling it. While it's true that large pharmaceutical companies are like every other large company (that is driven by profit) and often have a lot to answer too with their business practices, it is completely asinine to believe there is a massive hidden conspiracy to keep us sick (especially considering that cancer rates have been declining since 1991 and 5-year survival rates have risen dramatically). There is an interesting personal story I have with this kind of thinking. A very good friend of ours in an ardent anti-vaxer to the point that she lied to the school district so here kids wouldn't have to be vaccinated and also a believer in homeopathy, and yet her younger daughter was born with a hole in her heart (science and medicine saved her life) and was recently diagnosed with cancer in her lymph nodes and will once again have science and medicine save the day (surgery and radiation)... but can't have vaccines because they aren't "safe."

9/11 and other "false flag" theories:
These are another set of ridiculous theories that I often don't even acknowledge just out of respect for the people that lost their lives in any of the various tragedies that these people exploit to further there twisted ideologies. Has the government done terrible things? Of course they have (Waco siege, Ruby Ridge, MKUltra, etc.), but to claim they are responsible for some of the most tragic events in recent history and have the coordination to pull off an extraordinarily elaborate plan involving thousands of people taking place in one of the largest and most populated cities in the US (with millions of other people watching it on TV) while at the same time they are continuously stymied by overwhelming bureaucracy to the point where even the simple task is near impossible takes a special kind of stupid.

Moon landing hoax:
Completely idiotic to actually believe this one. This has a lot in common with any other government conspiracy, especially in terms of scale. The Apollo program was one of the large projects any government agency has ever been involved in and the level of suppression it would have taken to keep every one of the thousands and thousands of people that worked to complete it (both for the government and civilian groups involved) is mind-blowingly staggering. Discounting all of that, we also have the direct testimony of the 24 men that flew to the Moon, the 838 pounds of samples they returned, the independent tracking of the missions (the Soviets and amateurs), the photographs/videos taken during the mission, pieces of the probe Surveyor 3 that Apollo 12 astronauts brought back with them, the retroreflectors the astronauts left on the surface of the Moon, and photographs of the landing sites taken by orbiting spacecraft like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The real thing that strikes me about the Moon Landing conspiracy is that people the believe in it ignore the fact that the Soviets who were competing with the US in the space race didn't dispute the results when they would have the biggest reason to dispute the results

Besides, everyone knows that the Moon Landing was done so we could pick up some Transformer tech.

As far as 9/11 goes, I don't believe that the U.S. Caused it, but I do believe they covered up a significant involvement from the Saudi side, to maintain relationships.

 Seaward wrote:
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.

The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.

Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.

Sorry to Godwin this thread, but if agree with this comment's premise about cosmic mysteries

33 was also the year that the dictator with the dodgy fringe took office. Add him to Roswell, Kennedy, and trinity, and you have the angles of an unholy rectangle

Seaward is definitely on to something.

As to the whole JFK conspiracy, I'm convinced that Nixon was involved. Having read a lot of subject material about him, and given that IT'S Nixon, I'm convinced of his involvement. But, nobody believes me...and with it being Saturday afternoon, I've had a few drinks!

 Seaward wrote:
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.

The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.

Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.

Glorious.

I do hope that was intended to make me laugh though

This is one
My frien believes that the government is secretly kidnapping men, turning them into women with unerring accuracy. He thinks that this is to maintain a breeding population and to stop certain radicals by impregnating them.
He says they change memories, BUT NOT interests or personality, which accounts for the influx of nerd girls.....
Did I mention he is sexist?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is one
My frien believes that the government is secretly kidnapping men, turning them into women with unerring accuracy. He thinks that this is to maintain a breeding population and to stop certain radicals by impregnating them.
He says they change memories, BUT NOT interests or personality, which accounts for the influx of nerd girls.....
Did I mention he is sexist?

He is also apparently insane... and possible paranoid...

 purplefood wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is one
My frien believes that the government is secretly kidnapping men, turning them into women with unerring accuracy. He thinks that this is to maintain a breeding population and to stop certain radicals by impregnating them.
He says they change memories, BUT NOT interests or personality, which accounts for the influx of nerd girls.....
Did I mention he is sexist?

He is also apparently insane... and possible paranoid...

He sounds like a genius!!

 poppa G wrote:

DutchWinsAll wrote:

 poppa G wrote:
I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be ... the Sandy Hook shooting.

So you believe a few hundred to a few thousand (at least) people were paid off by the Federal govt to fake the deaths of 26 children and adults (forgetting about every other mass school shooting) to do what exactly? Fail to re-institute a gun ban that was in practice from 1994 to 2004?

Are you one of those people that needs to see pics of dead children to get off or are you just a conspiracy nut?

Please, go ahead and tell me what anyone had to gain by faking the murder of children. The only people I can see that actually gained any financial benefit from Sandy Hook was the gun industry. They saw record numbers for months after.

Because you know what, there is no conspiracy. Some POS killed a bunch of people and an inept President thought he could garner more votes by inaccurately gauging that the American populace wanted "gun control", even when every piece of legislation they passed was horribly, horribly written (NYS SAFE Act for instance). And those politicians were quickly shot down for having stupid ideas, as they should have.

Please, do tell the "conspiracy".

What do they have to gain? Gun control laws. Basically the day of the shooting they were putting up bills to ban guns.

Yes.

Yesssssss.

Its all coming together. They planned it all. The shootings. The witnesses. The utter failure to accomplish any restrictions on guns.

The wool has been removed from my eyes.

 LordofHats wrote:
... Tice ran screaming straight to the New York Times about how the American government was invading the privacy of its citizens. They're reading your emails! They're listening in on your phone conversations!...

The thing I find amusing about this is that all the complaints I've heard about it are stuck on the incredible damage done to civil liberty that results from some government lackey listening in on somebody's wife telling them to buy milk on the way home, rather than focusing on just what a massive waste of money it is to be monitoring that conversation in the first place...

Fun times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy-thriller_films_and_television_series

3 of those are different versions of Law and Order...and Life was awesome!

9/11 as a false flag that I think theres some credence to, princess dianas (arranged?) death is another one that's too dodgy. Global warming theory I'm skeptical of too.

Lizard people is a good joke but too crazy, occult illuminati conspiracies could be true but there's no sense in it. Anti-Vaxers can die in a fire of bubonic plague.

Not really sure on UFOs/Aliens/X-files type stuff

Also I don't believe in gravity :-)

Evolution.

And the way those Atheists cling to that crazy theory is just sad...

Really? Princess Di? How was that arranged?

 Soteks Prophet wrote:
9/11 as a false flag that I think theres some credence to

No there isn't. Basic common sense tells you that it is impossible.

princess dianas (arranged?) death is another one that's too dodgy.

No it's not.

Global warming theory I'm skeptical of too.

Science is not a liberal conspiracy.

Lizard people is a good joke but too crazy, occult illuminati conspiracies could be true but there's no sense in it.

That's because it is all made up.

Anti-Vaxers can die in a fire of bubonic plague.

No, anti-vaxers just need to understand the concept of medical science... but alas, that is most likely improbable because of how conspiracy psychology works.

Not really sure on UFOs/Aliens/X-files type stuff

Also made up.

Also I don't believe in gravity :-)

Okay.