Conspiracies. Do you believe any to be true?

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**Kanluwen**

Seaward wrote:
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.

The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.

Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.

I love you for this post...

**d-usa**

Sounds legit.

**LordofHats**

That right there. That thing you just did.

It's awesome

**d-usa**

I'm telling you, this stuff gets pretty deep...

You just need to open your eyes!

**Avatar 720**

Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter?

Now, I'm not a Star Wars nerd by any stretch of the imagination, but even I cringed here.

Vader piloted a TIE Advanced x1, a starfighter with a reinforced durasteel hull - unlike the /LN's titanium alloy - AND deflector shields, an addition that was not nearly standard on Empire starfighters. It also carried a hyperdrive, allowing it some degree of independence from a fleet.

Contrary to how this may point towards the lack of a conspiracy, I believe it may actually be far more of one. See, the /LN was, by comparison, flimsy, and Lord Vader would have had to have been suicidal to fly one. What sort of advantage would be gained by flying an /LN, a starfighter that relies purely on manoeuvrability in dogfights, carries no hyperdrive - forcing a reliance on carriers - and has no landing gear, in order to escape the destruction of a space station?

The Death Star's destruction would have scattered any and all Empire naval assets in the system, and with the Rebel fleet in place, returning to any remaining carrier before it jumps, or before you're intercepted and destroyed, would be a tall order. Surviving the blast from the Death Star in an /LN would be a miraculous show of sheer luck at the distance Vader attacked from, and the hit that sent him spiralling into the void would have left him very much stranded.

With an Advanced x1, however, things start to fall into place. Firstly, the destruction of the space station and scattering of the Imperial fleet would not hinder a hyperspace-capable starfighter; what better way to survive than to fake an attack on one of the few Rebel starfighters stranded inside a trench with few areas for aid to come, and plenty of defence from stray fire or that from cruisers, as well as allowing your own defence turrets to draw fire?

The shot Vader took that forced him to retreat was singular, and with the x1's deflector-shield, could be taken with a fair degree of safety, giving Vader the perfect reason to back off both from Luke, and from the blast of the Death Star.

Lord Vader's piloting of his x1 was clearly a cleverly-orchestrated plan of escape, which would draw little, if any suspicion unless closely examined.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Kain, you know about the psychic gremlins from the eighth dimension?

Oh no. I've thought too much!

**Co'tor Shas**

Seaward wrote:
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.

The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.

Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.

...

I'm not sure if you are serious or not.

**gorgon**

LordofHats wrote:
poppa G wrote:
gunslingerpro wrote:
Does Scientology count?

But everyone already knows Scientology is a joke.

That's what Scientology wants you to think.

But that's merely what the Trilateral Commission allows the Scientologists to want.

Of course, that's only what the Illuminati have permitted the Trilateral Commission to allow.

Or is it?

I am Alpharius.

**sebster**

Thing is, there are conspiracies. Individuals conspire for all sorts of ends, and this sometimes includes governments and other power organisations.

Take, for instance, the Brazilian coup of 1964, in which the armed forces, who were friendly to the US, overthrew the leftwing government. For years there were rumours of CIA involvement, and that the US had actually deployed a naval force to support the right in the expected civil war. This was dismissed as a conspiracy theory for years, and not without reason - complaints of US involvement was an easy way for the Brazilian left to avoid proper criticism of the incompetent politics of their leadership and the lack of fight the left gave after the coup.

Except years later documents released under freedom of information revealed that the US had actually released an aircraft carrier group to support the military forces in any civil war, and had stockpiled fuel and ammunition ready to be airlifted in to help in the fighting. Other documents have shown clear CIA interest and involvement in supporting US aligned forces, though actual operations have never been revealed.

Not that that means we should believe any and all conspiracies, obviously. Anything that involves cast co-operation from large numbers of people with no formal connections are just silly, such as the the fake moon landings or vaccines causing autism. And perhaps even sillier are the conspiracy theories in which elaborate plans with really hazy end goals, such as Roosevelt letting Pearl Harbour happen to bring the US in to the war, because apparently America would only get angry about a Japanese surprise attack if it was a successful attack, or the 9-11 attack, because there's no better way to trick the population in to attacking Iraq than to have a bunch of Saudis and Pakistanis kill thousands of your citizens.

Point being that the existance of ludicrous nonsense doesn't mean that there aren't regular, run on the mill conspiracies where governments and their intelligence networks get up to all kinds of shenanigans.

Kanluwen wrote:

I love you for this post...

Seaward just copy/pasted it from the Onion.

**Seaward**

sebster wrote:
Seaward just copy/pasted it from the Onion.

Indeed. It's my go-to any time conspiracy threads come up.

Surprised the praise got that far under your skin, though.

**sebster**

Seaward wrote:
Indeed. It's my go-to any time conspiracy threads come up.

Surprised the praise got that far under your skin, though.

Wow, you're really making up a whole story in your head there, aren't you?

I thought it was seemed well written enough to be professional, and went to find out who actually wrote it. When I find something good or interesting, I like to find out more about it. Given that you didn't claim it as your own or even imply it as your own I didn't see any point in mentioning where it came from, until people started working under the assumption that you wrote it, or even more strangely that you believed it. I posted something correcting that. I thought about waiting for you to do the same, but thought better I do it, because given you posted once in this thread to make a joke there was a fair chance you weren't going to see it again to correct it.

**Jehan-reznor**

flamingkillamajig wrote:
The saddest, funniest, most absurd thing is I have an idiot at my work which is always fumbling with his job and he believes in every conspiracy theory (those were his words). Every....single....one (including the reptiloid politicians from space I think).

Yeah we all think he's nuts. I think in one case he even thought a tornado was a cover up by the government.

So yeah my work basically has a 'tin foil hat man'.

True off course the use of H.A.A.R.P, causes more Tornado's!

**kronk**

d-usa wrote:

Spoiler:

Sounds legit.

.... Dude. That's fething awesome!

**scarletsquig**

The gates of hell are wizard-locked on the dark side of the moon.

The Apollo missions were sent to try and open them but failed. Soon China will make another attempt and the moon will descend and devour all as has happened thrice before and recorded in ancient Germanic legend.