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I keep reading renegade space marines etc.. but I cannot for anything remember a chapter of Space Marine that is Renegade but not allied with Chaos. I know they exist? I think? The Badaab War started that way kind of but then well Chaos. Does anyone know of any?

Soul Drinkers tried, they were wiped out.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Renegade_Space_Marine_Chapters_(List)#.U1i67ZhZrRY

Certainly. But they are usually either wiped or, more likely, they eventually turn to Chaos. The CSM codex mentions that some Chaos marines rebelled against the Imperium with good intentions.

Some of them also wind up Chaos tainted even though they never openly acknowledge it. (Again, the mutated freaks that called themselves the Soul Drinkers come to mind.)

Generally speaking, the few examples I can think of when a Space Marine chapter went rogue without turning to Chaos, they A) eventually fall to Chaos anyway, whether they give in for survival or get corrupted from within, B) get hammered down and punished in some capacity (penitent crusade, sanctions, etc) or C) instigate a bit of internal squabbling that eventually winds up being swept under the rug.

The Soul Drinkers fall nicely under A. The Mantis Warriors are good examples of B. And the Space Wolves filled out the C role nicely in the wake of their scuffle with the Grey Knights at Armageddon.

Eh Soul Drinkers are kind of chaosy?

I think the only oe that really "fits" is Space Wolves.

Hollismason wrote:
Eh Soul Drinkers are kind of chaosy?

OP did say "allied with" Chaos though, which the Soul Drinkers certainly weren't. Some of them, anyway. Quite a few of them did end up falling to Chaos.

There are some examples here and there in the background. The Soul Drinkers are a good example.

I think "going rogue" will eventually become "tainted by Chaos" for most members of the Chapter. After all, they are oathbreakers, traitors, what they swore to destroy. Insanity, lack of discipline, and self-contempt are part of the path of the renegade.

 da001 wrote:
I think "going rogue" will eventually become "tainted by Chaos" for most members of the Chapter.

I think that that could be avoided, though. In this WD article, there's mention of a Chapter called the Steel Cobras who are holed up under the seas of their homeworld, with the Imperium hesitant to deal with them.

Granted, Chaos might get to them eventually somehow, but these, or Space Marines in a similar position might have a good chance of avoiding any Chaotic influence.

Supposedly not all of the renegade Dark Angels have turned to chaos. Dispite the chaos in the Cypher codex in theory he could still be loyal, or renegade but not chaos or full chaos.

The Astral Claws were Renegades. Most of their surviving members, including their chapter master at the time- Lufgt Huron(now known as Huron Blackheart) however, became Red Corsairs.

The knights of Blood have been declared traitors by the highords of terra but still fight for the Imperium, albeit from the shadows so theat they wont atract the gaze of the inquisition.

Space wolves for a bit but being first founding does give you more leeway than others, those chapters founded the impirium in times of great crusade.

Also one descended from blood angels, not sure which but not full renegade I think, but not popular either I think. Semi renegade to some groups.

 Dantioch wrote:
The knights of Blood have been declared traitors by the highords of terra but still fight for the Imperium, albeit from the shadows so theat they wont atract the gaze of the inquisition.

I think they're currently headed to Baal to help the Blood Angels with the Tyranids

 Troike wrote:

 da001 wrote:
I think "going rogue" will eventually become "tainted by Chaos" for most members of the Chapter.

I think that that could be avoided, though. In this WD article, there's mention of a Chapter called the Steel Cobras who are holed up under the seas of their homeworld, with the Imperium hesitant to deal with them.

Granted, Chaos might get to them eventually somehow, but these, or Space Marines in a similar position might have a good chance of avoiding any Chaotic influence.

Thank you for the link!

I don´t know how I missed that...

Soul Drinkers stand out the clearest to me although there are others.

Soul drinkers I think where corrupted physically but they where not actually corrupted souls, no matter what Chaos gave them as 'gifts' they stood against Chaos, they just stood against the Imperium as well!


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 Steve steveson wrote:
Supposedly not all of the renegade Dark Angels have turned to chaos. Dispite the chaos in the Cypher codex in theory he could still be loyal, or renegade but not chaos or full chaos.

I still think the fluff leads you to believe Cypher is not chaos but is on a quest so complicated it requires him to serve alongside them from time to time to complete it.

Saying that he could just be a slave to chaos like the rest of them.

Would LotD be considered a Renegade Chapter?

Crimson sabres have are an offshoot of the crimson blood chaos chapter who refused to fall to chaos and are renegade from even there own chapter

Hollismason wrote:
I keep reading renegade space marines etc.. but I cannot for anything remember a chapter of Space Marine that is Renegade but not allied with Chaos. I know they exist? I think? The Badaab War started that way kind of but then well Chaos. Does anyone know of any?

There are plenty of renegade space marines who do not worship chaos, but they tend to be easy prey for the forces of chaos to turn.

There is some fluff of the night lords not actually worshiping chaos, just wanting to do their own thing and give big E the finger.

Hollismason wrote:
Would LotD be considered a Renegade Chapter?

Unclear. As of their codex, their lore had gotten even more ambiguous. Now there's a theory that they're spirits or something, so they may not have even been a Chapter or indeed real Marines to begin with.

But, assuming that they were formally a real Chapter, I would say no. They only ever appear to aid Imperial Forces. Though an exception seems to be those who seek them out. Inquisitors from the Ordo Chronos are very eager to track the LotD down, but they always end up being killed in various "unfortunate circumstances".

It's possible to turn from the Imperium without turning to Chaos. It's just that typically, without the Imperium's lawful control or resources, lots of renegades (not just marines, either) turn to Chaos anyways, either because they've just finally given up on their morals or because they just want to survive. The Crimson Slaughter, even though touched by Chaos, didn't fully embrace working for it until their leader just one day said "Screw it. I want to live!"

As pointed out above, Soul Drinkers (touched by Chaos but only a few actually working for it, and the rest in the end fought against it), Blood Drinkers (declared renegade for being even more psycho than Flesh Tearers but still wholly loyal. Not just Baal, as they've been spotted in the Jericho Reach aiding Imperium forces too, even though their help isn't wanted), Astral Claws weren't Chaos at first (far as anyone knows. No one is completely sure when Huron finally made his deal with the gods but evidence suggests it wasn't until late in the Badab War, given that at one point Chaos forces almost killed him during a surprise attack on his parley with the Imperium. ...at least, I think that was Chaos), and there's still a branch of the Crimson Sables that's still alive, wants redemption, and didn't go with the rest of the Crimson Slaughter (.....life must really suck for those guys)

I'll add to that list the Relictors, who have been declared renegade for trying to use Chaos weapons against Chaos (...well, and for the more justifiable reason of plundering those chaos weapons from Inquisition facilities), but their chapter master was still loyal last we heard of them and feels he will be vindicated some day.

Again, it's not just marines. Anyone can go renegade without turning to Chaos. The Severan Dominate is another good example of this, but the Dominate is also a good example of how HARD it is for renegade factions, and thus why most turn to Chaos eventually anyways for survival. Astral Claws too (apparently) turned to Chaos in the end just to survive.

Hollismason wrote:
Would LotD be considered a Renegade Chapter?

No, I wouldn't think so. They were formally the fire hawks but after their exposure to the warp through gellar field collapse, they were augmented and became the Legion of the Damned. They still serve the imperium though. They just don't operate as a normal chapter or anything anymore.

The LoTD were never officially declared renegade by the High Lords of Terra or Inquisition either, for what it's worth. ....I imagine it's hard for them to declare something renegade when they aren't even sure WHAT that something is (and the LoTD have never done anything but help the Imperium too, of course)

TiamatRoar wrote:


Again, it's not just marines. Anyone can go renegade without turning to Chaos. The Severan Dominate is another good example of this, but the Dominate is also a good example of how HARD it is for renegade factions, and thus why most turn to Chaos eventually anyways for survival. Astral Claws too (apparently) turned to Chaos in the end just to survive.

I would say renegade guard are probably more common than renegade space marines, of the non chaos variety.

Morals are well mortal, are concerned with their pay, they conditions, and often not with what some dark god promises them.
Space marines on the other hand have god complexes. They might not ever complain about their pay or living conditions, but the power chaos promises can be seductive.

Interesting, i knew there were instances of Space Marines being declared Renegade but did not know about the Blood Drinkers. Wait uh.. Blood Drinkers are kind of technically tainted by Chaos; they're the guys that have to deal with Fateweaver or whatever.

Are the Red Corsairs really Chaos aligned? I thought they didn't use Daemons and they were more like pirates?

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Are the Red Corsairs really Chaos aligned? I thought they didn't use Daemons and they were more like pirates?

Huron devoted himself to Chaos Undivided after getting nearly killed, and so his Chapter follows him.

Alpha Legion should be mentioned. Their battle cry is still "For the Emprah!"

Celestial Lions are also worth mentioning, as they've made an enemy of the inquisition.

Once space marines break with the Imperium, they're damned. They're chaos space marines now.

Remember that "chaos" is a very big tent. You don't need to have mutations or give yourself over to a chaos god in order to be a chaos space marine. You just need to not be a space marine that is fighting for the order of the Imperium.

 ChazSexington wrote:
Alpha Legion should be mentioned. Their battle cry is still "For the Emprah!"

Celestial Lions are also worth mentioning, as they've made an enemy of the inquisition.

And the Emperor's Children still call themselves "Emperor's Children"... the CSM do understand irony.