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Please hurry up and start this KS, I know it's planned for the 4th Quarter but the closer to Christmas the less funds people are likely to have.

BIG!!! He will be around 50mm.


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Denilsta.... I was originally planning for August but it was always going to be a push. It will definitely be September.

Kaine Larson wrote:
BIG!!! He will be around 50mm.


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Denilsta.... I was originally planning for August but it was always going to be a push. It will definitely be September.

Excellent news!

Since I'm not into fantasy, I'm only following this thread and anticipating the kickstarter based on how impressive the art and world-building have been, which I mean as a compliment. You really haven't dropped the ball yet, and I admire the creative risks you're willing to take to make your world distinctive, rather than following the safer path of producing a slew of generic goblins, undead, etc. that aren't all that inspired but blend in more easily.

Everything rests on the sculpts, of course, but so far this is a much more compelling fantasy world than I've seen in a long time.

Now that guy looks very intimidating indeed, if I saw him on a video game I'd be preparing for a very frustrating fight, if I saw him in real life I'd be running!

Again....Great concept!

Vermonter... thank you for your kind words. Its nice to hear appreciation from someone who isnt even a fantasy fan!

Paradigm - I would also run. Sounds like a plan!

Fantastic concept. Can't wait to get one. I love the horns/ armor curving around the head.

Our artist Grigor loves putting horns in all the models!! I think they look great too. The next artwork to come is the Goblin King and his guards, a goblin Wolf raider, Hobgoblin Hex Shaman and a goblin head cleaver!

September works well for me, Dwarf King's Quest runs in August so I'll be able to budget better without two kickstarters I want running in the same month. And it'll give you more time to get some great sculpts to show off.

It also means I might end up with a bunch of cool terrain from that KS to use for this game.

And, besides that, over $4m was spent on the dwarven forge dungeon terrain so there's a lot of people out there with a terrain collection that works for this game.

And then, with battlesystems, there will be even more people with a set of underground terrain.

It's definitely quite a good setting to develop since dungeons and caverns are something that has gotten a lot of attention lately.

Looking forward to the new sculpts! The hulk and bugbear both look incredible, getting a bit of a Kingdom Death vibe from the Hulk, although in a way that has some warped logic to it rather than being entirely demented.

Any idea on the format of the skirmish game at the moment? I'd love something where I could run small games on a 2x2 mat with lots of terrain. Or 3x3, I guess. I do like the small size format though, it's one of the things that makes Deadzone great, a game doesn't require much space and can be played in a typical LGS where the main focus these days is often card games rather than wargames.

The game is called Underdeep and is a simple D6 system based on a roll and compare system. The results you roll can be traded in to activate different powers. There is also a random activation system that does not allow the active player to know when his activations are over! The game is scaleable but works well with between 15 and 60 figures. We have had a lot of debate over counters on the table and we have decided to use only health chits which would mean there are no more counters or wound markers than a game of WFB.

The game will ordinarily be played with lots of terrain but with large caverns, swamps and isolated surface farmsteads being the primary battlegrounds. I had not envisioned the use of dungeons as such but I am sure this can work. Most creatures have multiple wounds so even low level creatures can be wounded. There is also a critical hit system.

There will be some downloadable rules soon. I need them play tested by the community throughout the KS!

Are you planning for all the factions to be traditionally eeeeevil/chaotic types?

What I'm asking is, will we get dwarves at some point?

Definitely. I loooooove dwarf models. The idea will be to make two Sunsiders factions to begin with. They will be Dwarven Mithril Hunters and Sunsiders who will be a human based kingdom (Tellia) with additional models like elves, paladins etc as addons. We hope to eventually release a mass combat version of the game where more human and Demi human kingdoms will be added with additional rules for the Underdeep skirmish game!

I'm hoping those dwarves and humans fit in aesthetically with what we've seen so far.

Human and Dwarven models are a dime a dozen, so I really hope they've got their own vibe going for them, much like the goblins.

Definitely going to be getting a bugbear or two. I love models in thick heavy armor!

Any word on what currency we can expect the KS to run in? British Pound?

I have been advised to run in US dollars like Mantic have done. I have always envisioned running it in GBR pounds but I am still a little on the fence. What do you guys think? Does it make too much difference?

They look great! Would love to design trays for them.

Most of their customer base are USD spenders, right? I'm running my KS in GBP.

Mantic are based in Nottingham in the UK.

I should have calcified.

I am assuming most of their customer base are USD spenders.

I like seeing US dollars because I tend to get a little careless when Pounds are involved. I always forget what the current exchange rates are until it's too late.

Calcification is a rather extreme reaction!


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HT - Surely thats a reason to keep it GBP

Heh, it is late and I have been messaging many people, designing Zombicide trays are tricky...

If your range takes off you'll probably find that most of your customer base are also USD spenders, or at least more comfortable with it as a benchmark than GBR.

Dollar denominated campaigns tend to do better. Basically, you want the purchase to be as easy as possible for people who live where you think the majority of funding will come from. You would be hard pressed to argue that is anywhere other than the USA.

You do need to be careful when it comes to currency exchange since by running it in USD you will be bearing the exchange risk rather than asking your US based backers to bear it. Running in USD even when you are a UK business is a sign of a "big" campaign and is a signal that you are a professional company that can deal with cross border logistics problems.

Personally, I instantly dismiss any campaign that is not in USD since I take it as a sign I will have to deal with customs, conversion rates a few weeks in the future, etc. I know that sounds arrogant and a bit spoiled, but I am already taking on significant risk backing a KS, and any additional risk and or work spent on my part instantly tips the cost of a campaign into "not worth it" territory.

Fair points being made. I will investigate the US dollar advantages and see what I can do. I was thinking of running in US dollars anyway.

It is selfish to say I prefer USD campaigns, and "welcome to the world the rest of us live in" comments are entirely justified. Regardless of what it says about American cultural solipsism, though, there is a pronounced trend of USD campaigns doing much better than those run in pounds.

Being a US citizen of lawful good alignment, I've backed two campaigns run in GBP so far. But to be honest, I spent nowhere near as much on them as I have on USD campaigns.

I suppose in the future all campaigns will be run in Yen.

I prefer USD.

Running in $ is probably the way to go if you can as you will get more backers,

but beware of the quite significant added risks of currency exchange and potential tax burdens

your US 'shell company' will owe tax on the cash so you won't be able to just pull it across to your UK company (where it may be taxed again by the UK gov) and spend it from there, you'll need to actually operate and spend it from the US company

so talk to competent lawyer/accountant with approriate experience

you'll also find that if you run in $ backers in the US will expect free postage (as that's what most US companies give) so either build it into the pledge costs or be prepared for a struggle in the comments

I have noticed some that some companies in the UK run in GBR but have USD and EUR totals on each pledge. Would this combined with free postage be an option?


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The new Flesh Golem has come back from the sculptor and I think it looks awesome. The Flesh Golem is parts of many creatures, bound together with flesh manipulating, necromantic magic and imbued with the soul of a daemon. The daemon happily goes about its business enslaved only to the commands of its master. Hence the need for chains when not required...

This miniature will be roughly 45mm to the eye line and will like be manufactured in high quality resin.








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I would really like to hear some opinions on this model.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Running in $ is probably the way to go if you can as you will get more backers,

but beware of the quite significant added risks of currency exchange and potential tax burdens

your US 'shell company' will owe tax on the cash so you won't be able to just pull it across to your UK company (where it may be taxed again by the UK gov) and spend it from there, you'll need to actually operate and spend it from the US company

so talk to competent lawyer/accountant with approriate experience

you'll also find that if you run in $ backers in the US will expect free postage (as that's what most US companies give) so either build it into the pledge costs or be prepared for a struggle in the comments

I could not agree more with Orlando's warnings, especially the part about the free shipping to the US backers, it seems to have become the norm for them now. There is a scenery KS running at the moment that I like the look at but they want $60 to post to the UK, but US postage is included (swallowed) in the price...why should I have to pay technically twice for postage. You are already being generous including two types of stands and I would like to really see your company take off, please don't run a loss due to your generosity and the demands of people, you can never please everyone (reading through this thread proves that).
I would advise speaking to Mantic, also Meirce as well who I believe had a steep learning curve as they were far to generous with their first Darklands KS.

New Golem sculpt looks awesome.

You mention Dwarves and possibly Humans coming later, will those be another KS or part of this one if it goes massive? Maybe even a straight-to-retail once you're up and running. That said, I'd leave Humans till you have the more unique factions done, with Historical models out there there are a ton of human models available.

Just a question on the game itself: Will it be something that has to run on dungeon-style tile setups, or is there potential for a more open setup, like a cavern/wood/town ect?