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I'm sure you've be asked somewhere before but I don't suppose there's any chance of seeing a scale shot of the goblin? Next to ruler would be cool or any well known figure would be better.

Here you go...next to a space marine (Its all I had to hand). I hope this isn't breaking any trademark/copyright/GW!! I apologise for the slightly mutated look of the goblin. He is held together with blue tac at the moment.



I have clumped some of the goblin art and I think the nose has been fairly consistent.









We have one sculptor working on the Goblins as I want to get the look to be uniform throughout. As I have said before I am happy to hear any critiques and really do appreciate all your constructive comments.

I for one am happy there won't be any "good" forces available. They're overrated.

I'll gladly take inhuman brutes and misshapen aberrations over fat beardies and cloaked pointy ears.

I'll gladly take inhuman brutes and misshapen aberrations over fat beardies and cloaked pointy ears.

Although some to squish at leisurely intervals would be good?

 tre manor wrote:
No sculpt, ever, will look exactly like the concept art. Most of the time the sculpt does nto even come close.

Well of course you're the expert here, but I have some Mierce stuff lying around that says otherwise. Just sayin' - and I know that's a really high bar to hold folks to.

@TS: Oh that definitely fits! looking a lot more consistent to me now, for sure. Thing is, the concept art you posted besides the first pic of that model seemed to show a few ridges which, to me, indicated the nose was raised quite a bit. Line art like that tends to mess with my head though, so let me apologize right here and now

And before I forget: it damn sure is a very characterful model and I will be in for at least that model on day one. Not trying to sabotage anything here

Your opinion is appreciated. Do you have anything that you would like to see in this range? I have a book with about 800 requests so far... more fuel for the fire would be awesome!

Haha, I'll get back to you on that

Humans!

Seriously though, I'd love to see your take on Human and Demi-Human Explorers!

I'm most excited for the lizardfolk.

As far as requests go, I wouldn't mind seeing a variety of lizard body types - or heck, lizard types in general - among the various castes / races / etc. Some lumbering hulks, some lithe and quick as a whip.

Always liked the scholarly serpent men types, too. Smart lizardmen are more interesting to me than "duh, eat mammal" types.

A visual style that owes nothing to Native peoples of the Americas wouldn't hurt, either.

Everything Vermonter said. No more lizards of the Americas, please!

Lizards in armor. Lizards with clothing. Cultured lizards.

Cultured and civilized arachnids. Because spiders are awesome and repulsive at the same time. Or just some funky bugs in general.

Thanks, now I've got a vision of a man sized spider in a dinner jacket and fez smoking a pipe.

 Duskland wrote:
Thanks, now I've got a vision of a man sized spider in a dinner jacket and fez smoking a pipe.

How could you *NOT* want a figure of that? The Gentleman Spider? He could guest star in just about every tabletop game ever.

Xeno Ambassador, Famous mutant freedom fighter, UnderDark Robber Baron, Victorian Magician/ Scientist in an experiment gone astray...

The world is his oyster!

 Bolognesus wrote:

 tre manor wrote:
No sculpt, ever, will look exactly like the concept art. Most of the time the sculpt does nto even come close.

Well of course you're the expert here, but I have some Mierce stuff lying around that says otherwise. Just sayin' - and I know that's a really high bar to hold folks to.

There are some companies that are not faithful to their concept artwork and some that are. GW, Mierce, Fireforge, Scibor, Hell Dorado, Shieldwolf, Raging Heroes, Dark Hammer, Dark Age are some that immediately come to mind. And I'm sure there are a lot more to name without a doubt.

Same thing about artwork matching the final minis cannot be said for Mantic, AoW etc (where you usually see some good artwork and when you get the mini in your hand it looks nothing lke it!) and I'm sure there are some others too but I'm only naming a couple of the most known ones.

For the stuff shown above, I'm sure it will not suffice to simply show off some artwork, especially since Minion is completely new and there's nothing prior with which to judge from. I'm expecting to see a lot more artwork like the one I'm seeing and at least 6-8 sculpted minis that follow the artwork shown for the metal casts. That should be more than enough to prove at what level the minis match the relevant concept.
And as for the plastics I'm sure showing off the greens laid out on the "will-be-sprues" will clearly show what the final product will look like. That would be 10 goblins for each sprue as Kaine said, along with their weaponry and stuff. I'm convinced it will be sufficient for the (reasonable) backers to be convinced, it would definitely work for me at least...

Please don't get me wrong here... My comment about concept art and sculpts was not meant to mean it will look somewhat like the concept art. My brief to all my sculptors is to follow the concept art as much as possible but sculpting and drawings are are two different mediums and not everything translates. I would like to think that 95% would be a good target goal. All of the companies listed produce exceptional models that are true to the concept art as we will be but even GW make small changes in pose, equipment, thickness if hair or fur as artists do not always understand what makes a good model unless they are a sculptor themselves. I think the Headcleaver when viewed in contrast is true to thee artwork. I will show the zombie and flesh golem side by side later too for a comparison.

In regard to having a full sprue set out for everyone to see before the KS, that won't happen as the money from the KS will be needed to complete this extremely expensive part of the project. What I will have are some three ups, exploded diagrams of some of the parts, painted examples in 30mm plus a selection of metal and resin models. I hope this will be enough. I will also have a possible render of a sprue to show the approximate sprue layout.

OK I am not saying that sculpts cannot be " true to the concept" I am saying that there are always a lot of differences between concept and sculpt. Even with Mierce's stuff ( which in my opinion they usually do come the closest ) there are still a lot of differences between concept and sculpt.

When I say differences I am nto saying that there are pieces missing or placed differently on the sculpt than in the concept. I am saying that you have two different artists rendering the same subject that makes for differences in and of itself. Further actual miniatures have to obey a different set of rules than drawn concepts do.

No offense meant at your artists or your effort Kaine, I am just jabbering as my usual. I am sure what you will have produced will be great and I wish you the best of luck with it......just mind your margins man. Trust me they reduce a lot faster than you might think going in.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

 Duskland wrote:
Thanks, now I've got a vision of a man sized spider in a dinner jacket and fez smoking a pipe.

How could you *NOT* want a figure of that? The Gentleman Spider? He could guest star in just about every tabletop game ever.

Xeno Ambassador, Famous mutant freedom fighter, UnderDark Robber Baron, Victorian Magician/ Scientist in an experiment gone astray...

The world is his oyster!

You appear to be an alternate me when it comes to things monstrous, so perhaps it's no surprise that I fully agree on the potential of spider and / or insect-based races. Huge potential there, and it's often struck me as strange how often it goes completely untapped.

Believe it or not we do have plans for Etter - things you put on your head (avoiding legal issues here) which wil be spider chaps of sorts. Probably not dinner jackets though!!

While the bugs may not interest me much, I too would be interested in seeing some lizards that aren't depicted as tribal savages. Let's see some technologically advanced lizards that actually have some metal working skills.

Also Gnolls. I'd love to see what the concept art for the Gnolls will look like.

 Vermonter wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

 Duskland wrote:
Thanks, now I've got a vision of a man sized spider in a dinner jacket and fez smoking a pipe.

How could you *NOT* want a figure of that? The Gentleman Spider? He could guest star in just about every tabletop game ever.

Xeno Ambassador, Famous mutant freedom fighter, UnderDark Robber Baron, Victorian Magician/ Scientist in an experiment gone astray...

The world is his oyster!

You appear to be an alternate me when it comes to things monstrous, so perhaps it's no surprise that I fully agree on the potential of spider and / or insect-based races. Huge potential there, and it's often struck me as strange how often it goes completely untapped.

Well I am another person for that vote. Very few games do "monstrous fantasy" and I suppose that is one of the reasons why I don't play fantasy. My "mental image" of fantasy does not have a focus on elves, dwarfs ect (which I find plain boring), but if they are fighting it is against monstrosities. The undead and goblins have more of that feel to them and the lizards are just a great touch overall. But more monster-factions is always a plus in my books.

We have lots in the pipeline, Orcs, Gnolls, Drow, Minotaurs, Ogres, Serpent people, Fish people, Infenral Demons... the list goes on. As we are going for a fantasy RPG type vibe for the races I'm afraid to say that the lizardkin will have a distinctly swamp dweller feel to them. The reason behind this is that we wanted to differentiate between the cultured serpent people and the more savage lizard kin. We are not going down the GW route of Aztec style lizards but more of a Native American style to them. We have also gone for a more dinosaur like look with them. I know this wont be to everyones tastes and we might even do a comparable Dragonkin/Dragonman style of Good aligned creature that would be heavily bedecked in armour or in mage like robes.

I really like the lizard concept, looks very feral and savage and something no one would want to meet on a dark night in the swamp.

I also think the idea of a more cultured snake/dragon type faction that look down on their 'lesser' cousins would be great. This setting is shaping up to be very unique and very deep!

Woops! Look what I found. Someone's getting slow on their Dakka updates...

Sorry Kaine. Couldn't resist myself.



and a breakdown of how the figure is assembled...

I don't pledge to Kickstarters much...but if I remember this one I will for sure when it launches. Really digging the sculpts.

Hmm. I suppose I can live with Native American influenced lizards. At least it isn't the usual Aztec/Inca/Maya look that most companies go for.

I have no problems with plate armored Dragon-kin and snake men. I can live with that tradeoff.

Have you thought about having any wolfmen (or other canid based humanoids like Jackal-men), or will the Gnolls and Minotaurs be our only mammalian humanoids?

I can dig the dino/lizard. Actually making the good aligned lizard more armored ect would work, so everyone can get the lizard they want!

Kaine Larson wrote:

I would really like to hear some opinions on this model.

The concept is well executed in that it looks like something out of Kingdom Death or a Clive Barker horror film, which makes it more effective than 90% of undead minis. The pose is good, but looks stiff due to the stillness of the cloth and the muscles (or something). The textures are varied, deep and interesting, but they might distract attention away from the face and hands/claws. The left arm with the double forearm is by far my favorite part of the model, but it might not be as noticeable on such a busy model in 30mmish scale. I suspect the ring armor, toes and face cloth might mush out in the printing or casting phase.
Overall, it's a good concept. However, I must admit I'm so sick of undead that I will never buy one. Best of luck, though.


Also, the USD rules on kickstarter, but if the exchange rate happens to make your prices look wicked-huge you might want the stability of GBP. If Americans can't afford to pledge anyway, you might as well stick to GBP.


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Update: I also won't be buying any Lizardmen now, apparently.

But the goblins. They will be mine.

Given my influences, this is what Lizardmen look like to me:

1E AD&D Monster Manual


1E AD&D Fiend Folio


Yeah!

I love the old school look. It's something we didn't want to drift too far from but at the same time we wanted to inject some originality hence our dinosaur like visages and feet. I love lizardmen and I hope we can do them justice!

Kaine Larson wrote:
I have spoken to an accountant friend of mine this afternoon and although he can see the benefit of it he suggested the risks could be too high to run in USD. He advised me to run in GBP but to make the KS as US friendly as possible so I think this is what I will plan to do. I am looking into providing free postage to the US (which is a distinct possibility) and also providing full costs for each pledge in GBP, Euro and US dollars.

Any ideas on ROW shipping? Hopefully not left as an afterthought as some recent campaigns have.

ROW shipping is expensive but I have some exceptional rates. I will have to charge to other areas of the world I'm afraid.

One suggestion, if you're offering 'free' shipping to anywhere by building the cost into the pledge levels be open about it, and offer a similar 'discount' on the shipping costs elsewhere

eg

The cost of shipping a UK pledge is £5 so we have built a discount of £5 into all the international shipping costs quoted so nobody is treated unfairly

it will mean international pledgers don't feel they are unfairly subsidising shipping your home backers