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A video game costs about as much as the BRB and lasts way less than 2 years typically... I think the BRB at 2 years is a decent entertainment value... Other hobbies make things obsolete it far less time...
Not really, and compare it to any other miniature gaming system out there. How many of them have an edition change two years on? (if this really is an edition change - we still have to wait and see).
kronk wrote: I liked the Radioactive line, there. Great song! Stupid video, but great song!
It certainly deserved a better class of post than the one it got.
kronk wrote: Like calling someone that disagrees with a boycott a Sri Lankan Pro Bloggers hired by GW
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No, but reacting to everyone's disbelief and general lack of response as "Pro Sri Lankan Bloggers" shows that you're either clearly unfamiliar with the many attempts to "rally' Dakka with the exact same message you have here or that your troll has reached significant levels..
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First, I was not Trolling, there are a ton of companies (most are outsourced to India, I was trying to be funny by using Sri Lanka) that can be hired 24/7 to blog "pro" your company, swat-down bad blogs, and bad search results (google them), and I was not accusing anyone that did not agree with me as being one.
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Second, I blame the Distributors, the FLGS, AND the community for continuing to support a company that constantly sticks them with useless products. (and yes 1e-5e are useless products now)
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Third, a Boycott will not work, especially if Distributors and FLGS do not follow suit.
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Fourth, The community cannot agree on what rules to use in a game, let alone get together and agree to do anything about GW's gouging practices.
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out...
Don't like it? Stop buying it as you only need one copy of the rules at the table of any given game and it is likely that your opponent will have one. You don't really need to make a dramatic exit from the Nottingham Buyer's Club. GW cares even less than your fellow posters on Dakka about your reasons for the boycott. Not buying though doesn't mean you have to stop playing. I haven't bought anything in years now other than codex books but 40k is still my backup game in case my primary one I want to play falls through.
Thanks for not dropping the Mic! Mighty friendly of you!
I hope the glut of e-book mini publications stop. I picked up Bel A'Kor and Cypher because they're cool dudes, but refuse to buy any more. No support from me!
Unless they do a Black Templar character. Or an Imperial Fist. Or an Orc.
No, but reacting to everyone's disbelief and general lack of response as "Pro Sri Lankan Bloggers" shows that you're either clearly unfamiliar with the many attempts to "rally' Dakka with the exact same message you have here or that your troll has reached significant levels..
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First, I was not Trolling, there are a ton of companies (most are outsourced to India, I was trying to be funny by using Sri Lanka) that can be hired 24/7 to blog "pro" your company, swat-down bad blogs, and bad search results (google them), and I was not accusing anyone that did not agree with me as being one.
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Second, I blame the Distributors, the FLGS, AND the community for continuing to support a company that constantly sticks them with useless products. (and yes 1e-5e are useless products now)
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Third, a Boycott will not work, especially if Distributors and FLGS do not follow suit.
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Fourth, The community cannot agree on what rules to use in a game, let alone get together and agree to do anything about GW's gouging practices.
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out...
So what's the point of this entire thread? Unless the entire point was "look at me, I'm boycotting GW", which it clearly wasn't, considering how it was clearly addressed to the community...
Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
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kronk wrote: Thanks for not dropping the Mic! Mighty friendly of you!
I hope the glut of e-book mini publications stop. I picked up Bel A'Kor and Cypher because they're cool dudes, but refuse to buy any more. No support from me!
Unless they do a Black Templar character. Or an Imperial Fist. Or an Orc.
But I stop at those! And no LE books, either!
Unless it's an army I play. Or casually like.
And that's basically the kind of thinking that ends with the boycotts failing.
Actually I haven't seen a Dataslate since the Digital Editions Facebook was taken down.
kronk wrote: Thanks for not dropping the Mic! Mighty friendly of you!
I hope the glut of e-book mini publications stop. I picked up Bel A'Kor and Cypher because they're cool dudes, but refuse to buy any more. No support from me!
Unless they do a Black Templar character. Or an Imperial Fist. Or an Orc.
But I stop at those! And no LE books, either!
Unless it's an army I play. Or casually like.
My purchases are always calculated, I am considering buying a RV, or two vacation Condos at the moment (not timeshares), and I will probably overthink and over calculate both, and buy neither (and just take four 5k vacations a year, for 20 years).
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I am the same with Hobby purchases, I try to shop smart (shop S-Mart).
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I do not like the eBook format, because they are set up for a smart device, then to put them on pdf for my laptop, I have to convert them, etc. and they are still set up with the small screen format/look which is a pain to scroll through, look at, etc. But when I want to read on the go they work great compared to a two pound book. (alternatively, buying the book, get a discount or bundle for the eBook would be nice)
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In my perfect world GW would team-up with Army-builder or Battle-scribe.
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Seems trips, and regular plastic non-gaming models are going to win out over miniature gaming.
No, but reacting to everyone's disbelief and general lack of response as "Pro Sri Lankan Bloggers" shows that you're either clearly unfamiliar with the many attempts to "rally' Dakka with the exact same message you have here or that your troll has reached significant levels..
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First, I was not Trolling, there are a ton of companies (most are outsourced to India, I was trying to be funny by using Sri Lanka) that can be hired 24/7 to blog "pro" your company, swat-down bad blogs, and bad search results (google them), and I was not accusing anyone that did not agree with me as being one.
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Second, I blame the Distributors, the FLGS, AND the community for continuing to support a company that constantly sticks them with useless products. (and yes 1e-5e are useless products now)
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Third, a Boycott will not work, especially if Distributors and FLGS do not follow suit.
.
Fourth, The community cannot agree on what rules to use in a game, let alone get together and agree to do anything about GW's gouging practices.
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out...
Let me tell you why your reasoning and resolution will not appeal to the audience you are targeting at.
The distributor and FLGS will continue to buy/sell GW products because it makes them money! Are you paying distributor and FLGS for their loss sales? Money speaks much louder than words. How about I tell you to boycout GW by stop earning an income for 6 months? Besides, if 1 FLGS doesn't sell GW, the other FLGS that sells will earn more money.
And why does GW product still help FLGS make money? because the gamers buys it! Say all the bad things you want about GW, it still appeals to people who enjoy the gaming/painting/collecting aspect of it. Just becuase you don't like it don't force it on others please. Although I agree paying $300CAD for a 6th collector edition that will soon be obsilete sucks, there are still those that support these type to actions (I don't FYI, but I'm sure some do).
So how are you going to turn this around? The quick answer is you can't, the GW customer base is very diverse. The only real action you can do is your own action. You can stop spending any additional money to GW, you as a gamer can further melt all your GW models (don't ebay, cause that's just supporting GW with more player base) and refuse ever to play another GW game. You are not alone as evident with the 25% drop in GW share prices. Let the gamers and market choose the fate of GW, not forcing them from their enjoyment of a hobby.
Personally I don't care anymore about the life/death of GW and 40K. I just enjoy the current models I own and refuse to buy new models even it is benefits my army in some way. I will buy the new rulebook (not collector edition of course) IF the communicty and FLGS thinks it is a improvement in enjoyment of the game. Otherwise I will sit this one out and wait until GW produce a product that is worth my money.
kronk wrote: Thanks for not dropping the Mic! Mighty friendly of you!
I hope the glut of e-book mini publications stop. I picked up Bel A'Kor and Cypher because they're cool dudes, but refuse to buy any more. No support from me!
Unless they do a Black Templar character. Or an Imperial Fist. Or an Orc.
Guess what. I've boycotted GW for a few years now. Haven't bought any products from them direct, only second-hand older stuff or third party. Guess what it did. Nothing. Nothing is making you buy the new GW rules, only your sense of obligation. This trashy GW business policy has been on the go since the early 2000's, so we've had plenty of time to go elsewhere and many of us have. Use the search function and have a look at all the pissy-pants threads that have been started for whinging at GW. The result is that nobody really cares, and the bans and boycots do nothing.
Adendum:
I recognize GW has gakky business policies, but...really? If you are getting uppetty about GW's malconduct, then, whoa there kid, you really need to get up to speed with the rest of the trash that's happening in the world and focus on that.
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15 successful trades as a buyer;
16 successful trades as a seller;
To glimpse the future, you must look to the past and understand it. Names may change, but human behavior repeats itself. Prophetic insight is nothing more than profound hindsight.
It doesn't matter how bloody far the apple falls from the tree. If the apple fell off of a Granny Smith, that apple is going to grow into a Granny bloody Smith. The only difference is whether that apple grows in the shade of the tree it fell from.
I dunno, us Americans don't have much experience boycotting British products....
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Record for 7th Edition -
Eldar: 0-0-0 (Yes, I feel it is that bad)
Battlefleet Gothic: 2,750 pts of Craftworld Eldar
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Battletech: Battlion and Command Lance of 3025 Mechs(painted as 21st Rim Worlds)
Farseer Faenyin wrote: I dunno, us Americans don't have much experience boycotting British products....
This comment has been rescinded for irrelevance to thread.
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15 successful trades as a buyer;
16 successful trades as a seller;
To glimpse the future, you must look to the past and understand it. Names may change, but human behavior repeats itself. Prophetic insight is nothing more than profound hindsight.
It doesn't matter how bloody far the apple falls from the tree. If the apple fell off of a Granny Smith, that apple is going to grow into a Granny bloody Smith. The only difference is whether that apple grows in the shade of the tree it fell from.
LOTS of other wargames to play out there. In many of them you can even use the GW minis you already own. Some of them even have the rules for a free download.
GW does equal wargaming. The wargaming world is much bigger than just GW.
I played 10+ miniature wargames at Kingdom Con last weekend, and not one of them was from GW.
Commoragh's Fist wrote: A video game costs about as much as the BRB and lasts way less than 2 years typically... I think the BRB at 2 years is a decent entertainment value... Other hobbies make things obsolete it far less time...
Bad analogy. If you want to make this analogy the BRB is more equivalent with a gaming console rather than a specific video game. Game consoles have a lifespan of what? 4-6 years typically? By lifespan I mean how long the company publishes games and supports the console. 40k editions have a lifespan of about 4-5 years.
If Sony announced plans for PS5 next year, would the PS4 been seen as a good value when it only had a 2 year life?
Commoragh's Fist wrote: A video game costs about as much as the BRB and lasts way less than 2 years typically... I think the BRB at 2 years is a decent entertainment value... Other hobbies make things obsolete it far less time...
Bad analogy. If you want to make this analogy the BRB is more equivalent with a gaming console rather than a specific video game. Game consoles have a lifespan of what? 4-6 years typically? By lifespan I mean how long the company publishes games and supports the console. 40k editions have a lifespan of about 4-5 years.
If Sony announced plans for PS5 next year, would the PS4 been seen as a good value when it only had a 2 year life?
I think you're backwards. The models are the gaming console. They're good for a number of rule books (video games). The glue is like the controller, connecting the two. Your opponent is like your mom, telling you to turn the damn thing off and do the dishes. And the table is like that one chick you knew in college or something.
easysauce wrote: GW "fans" OMGURD it takes sooooo long for new rules to be released this sucks
GW *realeases rules at epic pace*
gw "fans" OMGURRRRD tooo fast I want my stuff to be valid for 5+ years
gw *facepalm*
Yet somehow WM/H manages to both add new rules AND not invalidate old.
"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
the problem with the ruelbook expense is that you have to buy the fluff. Eventually you run into enough instances of blood angels and necrons "pounding it" that the fluff becomes completely pointless. You're then paying double for added "content". Compare against other games that release rulebooks without all the extra fur.
15 successful trades as a buyer;
16 successful trades as a seller;
To glimpse the future, you must look to the past and understand it. Names may change, but human behavior repeats itself. Prophetic insight is nothing more than profound hindsight.
It doesn't matter how bloody far the apple falls from the tree. If the apple fell off of a Granny Smith, that apple is going to grow into a Granny bloody Smith. The only difference is whether that apple grows in the shade of the tree it fell from.
Im very under impressed by WM/H ruleset to be frank... more so with the lack of variaty and the same feel to 90% of the factions armies all seeming like the look and play the same.
look in their forum and notice that before any hobby sections got added, they get their "YMDC" sections, which are just as ambiguous as the 40kYMDC...
The "old" rules have not been invalidated yet... and im pretty sure the 6.5 will not invalidate 6... you will just have to print off a buttload of FAQ's + errata to update your 6 to 6.5...
the sky is not falling, this is actually the best we have had it... FFS we will have every codex in the current edition for the first time ever... its awesome... I for one am actually looking forward to GW releaseing an update, as its probably just going to be the equivelent of an extensive FAQ which is much needed, but it makes sense to leave it this long because they need to get data from how all the codexes have been playing against each other.
People on this site bash GW for no rules updates, then when GW overhauls the rules, they bash them anyways...
rexscarlet wrote: so true, and all the Sri Lankan Pro Bloggers hired by GW flood this site and all the others, so wishful thinking on my part.
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LOLWUT.
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Oh, you think opinions on blogs are from individuals, me thinks you need a trip to google, there are a ton of companies that will blog "pro" your company, a ton.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age...
You obviously know nothing about the company you are trying to boycott. GW would never hire "pro bloggers" because to them the internet barely exists and isn't worthy of thier attention.
That having been said, I'm really not mad at all about a new edition and will continue to buy at my same pace.
Good luck with your boycott though, you'll be "The One" to unite the dakka community behind you this time. I can feel it.
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