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**JP1138**

What if...and this is a HUGE what if, a what if that could take on Godzilla one handed while at the same time playing a game of Apocolypse with all the GW models ever made... What if GW created a new BRB that encapsulated all the rules, fixed all issues and included fluff and guidelines to both settings 30K & 40K. All the FAQs were incorporated and the game streamlined.

Now add to that the option to take hour current BRB into your local GW where if you hand it in you can buy a copy for £10/$18. No questions where you bought it.

For me that would be a huge PR win for GW and a great start to winning back some community goodwill. To keep the bean counters happy limit this offer to a weekend or other time frame, maybe centred around a big instore event.

Like I said a HUGE what if... But it's nice to dream.

**Daedleh**

easysauce wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
easysauce wrote:

look in their forum and notice that before any hobby sections got added, they get their "YMDC" sections, which are just as ambiguous as the 40k YMDC...

Sorry, what?

As of right now, 32114 threads in 40k YMDC, 519 in WM/H YMDC.

So, yeah....

ALso, its a lot easier to have a more streamlined ruleset when you have 1/10 of the content, and most of your armies are 90% the same...

My Warmachine rulebooks are the same size as 40k.

Where on earth are you getting that 90% of armies are the same? What do you mean by that? That the units in each of the different factions are identical? That they've got identical stats?

**PhantomViper**

Daedleh wrote:
easysauce wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
easysauce wrote:

look in their forum and notice that before any hobby sections got added, they get their "YMDC" sections, which are just as ambiguous as the 40k YMDC...

Sorry, what?

As of right now, 32114 threads in 40k YMDC, 519 in WM/H YMDC.

So, yeah....

ALso, its a lot easier to have a more streamlined ruleset when you have 1/10 of the content, and most of your armies are 90% the same...

My Warmachine rulebooks are the same size as 40k.

Where on earth are you getting that 90% of armies are the same? What do you mean by that? That the units in each of the different factions are identical? That they've got identical stats?

He is trolling, he has absolutely 0 knowledge about WMH and is just making stuff up as he goes along to try and get a rise out of other posters.

**Raven911**

Support Prodos and Warzone Ressurection. Free pdf rules, and awesome models.

**rexscarlet**

So many valid points, thanks to all who shed light on the subject.
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Cost; This video about sums up cost setting and quality by Industry Leader GW, which makes other game companies (PP) think they can do the same, NOTE there is language NSFW in the Jackie Mason Starbucks video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGnIOZ1yY8
Starbucks (GW) is why Coffee at a gas station (other game companies) is so expensive, the gas station just has to be a little less expensive than the Industry Leader, even if the gas station Coffee is crap. (even if Starbucks Coffee is crap)
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Savings; There are always ways to save money, so there is that with GW gouging. I guess I will fly to Texas to buy my RV, since it will save me 5k compared to my best price locally, with gas and flight to TX I will still save 4.5k...
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Boycott; Everyone that said a Boycott will not work are correct, and everyone that said GW will/IS creating their own Boycott with GW's business practices are also correct.
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Alternatives; There are always alternative miniature games, some with better rules, some with better figures, but few with better fluff, and finding players, well that is another issue.
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Alternatives to miniature gaming; So many.
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Thanks all...

**LuciusAR**

Life is too short to rage at GW in this way. The world of Tabletop Gaming is vast and there are hundreds of rules sets and model makers out there covering almost every genre, scale or period of time you could think of. One of them is bound to do something more in line with what you want.

I've not played a game of 40k in about 8 years, it's been about 5 since my last game of fantasy.

Since then I've played lots of rulesets including Deadzone, Saga, X-Wing, Black Powder, WAB, Flames of War, Bolt Action, Dropzone Commander, Blitzkrieg Commander, Cold War Commander and had a brief flirtation with Warmachine.

Free yourself from the GW straightjacket. You have nothing to lose.

**Strombones**

Maddermax wrote:
Just try other games for a while. You'll soon find your cares for what GW does disappear. Find a new game, love it, show a friend and pass it along.

Quoted For Truth. You will be amazed at what else is out there.

Edit:

Also to add to what LuciusAR said, as soon as I swallowed the blue pill and left the warhammer matrix I've been actually gaming more than ever in my life. Where most gaming sessions of 40k would usually devolve into bickering, games of Battlegroup and Bolt action now just end in the intense desire to play again.

**dereksatkinson**

rexscarlet wrote:
GW is continuing to make "current" purchased rules publications obsolete with the release of another purchased rules publication. (the list is long)

Stop playing the game. Sell your models. Stop Whining...

Problem solved.

**Mr. Burning**

Can the OP change the thread title to Stop GW NAOW!!!one1!

Just makes it relevant.

**-Loki-**

dereksatkinson wrote:
rexscarlet wrote:
GW is continuing to make "current" purchased rules publications obsolete with the release of another purchased rules publication. (the list is long)

Stop playing the game. Sell your models. Stop Whining...

Problem solved.

Pretty much this.

Anecdotally, this rumour came about at about the same time as Corvus Belli announced Infinity 3rd edition. The news of 40k 7th in my group has been met with... negative reactions. This is from a bunch of close friends who have been playing 40k together since 2nd edition. My brother simply said 'I'm happy playing 6th', and a friend said 'I'd buy 3rd edition Infinity before that'. Something to take away from that is 3rd edition Infinity will be free to download from CB's website, and purchasing is entirely optional.

You don't need to organise a boycott of GW, nor do you need to yell and cry and whinge on an internet message board. You just need to stop or, if you still enjoy the game but not the company, severely reduce buying Games Workshops products. This does have a cascading effect - if you stop buying them and look at alternatives, your friends will have one less opponent and might look at said alternatives as well. If one of them looks at alternatives, then the rest have two less opponents, etc.

If you want to boycott Games Workshop and promote other games in your group, it simply starts with you.

**ClockworkZion**

Hm...looks like this probably isn't a new edition and OP can untwist his knickers now: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/592379.page#6780019

**BallinWitStalin**

Price wrote:
"I hate sixth!! Why won't GW fix the rules or release a new, more balanced set!?"

"New rule book? Feth you GW!! FETH YOU!!"

-_-'

Haha, I won't lie, that was my first impression of this thread as well. People have been complaining a long time (with what seems like some justification) about the clusterfeth of 6th, and then when GW releases seventh....

**-DE-**

... it turns out it's an even worse ruleset for more $$$. This is great news!

**Jehan-reznor**

dereksatkinson wrote:
rexscarlet wrote:
GW is continuing to make "current" purchased rules publications obsolete with the release of another purchased rules publication. (the list is long)

Stop playing this edition of the game. and play the edition you like.

Problem solved.

Edited for correctness.

**Swan-of-War**

Strombones wrote:
Maddermax wrote:
...games of Battlegroup and Bolt action now just end in the intense desire to play again.

Why does this sound so erotic to me?

**Tanakosyke22**

You know, I am not the biggest fan of GW at all, but instead of putting so much rage over Games Workshop, I say play the edition you want with you friend, buy and trade with others and not with GW, and/or give a few other games a try to give you a fresh perspective on it.

**Mr. Burning**

Tanakosyke22 wrote:
You know, I am not the biggest fan of GW at all, but instead of putting so much rage over Games Workshop, I say play the edition you want with you friend, buy and trade with others and not with GW, and/or give a few other games a try to give you a fresh perspective on it.

But that would require not ranting.

**Accolade**

I am not a fan of this thread (EDIT: I should specify its original post, there has been some good discussion within).

All this thread does is make it easier for people defending GW's actions to dismiss legitimate complaints under the pretext of "whining."

So you don't like what GW has been doing these days? Great, I'm mostly there with you. You want to complain about price increases, shortening codex duration, lack of production value, sure, again I'm all for it. Be thought-provoking, cite solid evidence, don't knee-jerk at GW news, be positive about alternatives and work to shift the paradigm of those who are in the same mindset.

But don't make a thread boycotting GW when they haven't done something socially or ethically offensive. It doesn't help your cause, it just weakens it and leaves people with constructive criticism having to fight that much harder to make their point.

**Coldhatred**

I have stopped GW. Stopped GW products being bought by myself. I have moved on to historicals and I couldn't be happier.

**ClockworkZion**

Accolade wrote:
I am not a fan of this thread (EDIT: I should specify its original post, there has been some good discussion within).

All this thread does is make it easier for people defending GW's actions to dismiss legitimate complaints under the pretext of "whining."

So you don't like what GW has been doing these days? Great, I'm mostly there with you. You want to complain about price increases, shortening codex duration, lack of production value, sure, again I'm all for it. Be thought-provoking, cite solid evidence, don't knee-jerk at GW news, be positive about alternatives and work to shift the paradigm of those who are in the same mindset.

But don't make a thread boycotting GW when they haven't done something socially or ethically offensive. It doesn't help your cause, it just weakens it and leaves people with constructive criticism having to fight that much harder to make their point.

Have an exalt for making a great point.

**Breotan**

Coldhatred wrote:
I have stopped GW. Stopped GW products being bought by myself. I have moved on to historicals and I couldn't be happier.

In my case GW did it to themselves. They just haven't put out anything I'm interested in buying lately, other than that Knight model a month or so ago. This isn't unique to GW however. I haven't pledged to any kickstarters lately nor bought any new Warmachine or Malifaux stuff. This has been a very slow year for hobby purchases.

**easysauce**

PhantomViper wrote:
he is trolling, he has absolutely 0 knowledge about WMH and is just making stuff up as he goes along to try and get a rise out of other posters.

Im really not... I see WMH at tournies, have looked through the rules and played a couple games... it just seems very bland and "meh" to me, and all the armies I see at tournies seem to be very repetitive and look the same.

Could be made worse by the total lack of people in my area who like the hobby aspect of WMH, so 99% of the WMH armies are not even painted or primed.

I am allowed to think its a blase game without being a troll you know...

I think malifaux is awesome, and seem to have no trouble appreciating games like attack wing ect even though they are non GW.

I think its hilarious that if I bash a game YOU like, WMH, im a troll, but when you bash a game I like, 40k, you are not.

if you dont like GW stuff, dont play it, no need to fill the airwaves with all the "GW SUCKS" noise.

**Azreal13**

easysauce wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
he is trolling, he has absolutely 0 knowledge about WMH and is just making stuff up as he goes along to try and get a rise out of other posters.

I am allowed to think its a blase game without being a troll you know...

Yes you are, but what you were doing was throwing around a bunch if unfounded, unsupported "facts" in order to try and make some sort of point, which may be considered inflammatory. So, it might not be trolling by intent, but it certainly could be considered troll-like.

if you dont like GW stuff, dont play it, no need to fill the airwaves with all the "GW SUCKS" noise.

Oh look, this spurious and facile argument again.

What were you saying about trolling?

Should mention I'm a 40K playing, non Warmachiner before you ascribe any motives to this post.

**Arbiter**

I think the MODs to close this thread, all that is left is hurt feelings and Sri Lanka employees.

**wallygator**

goddamn hippies...

**easysauce**

that WMH is bland and repetitive without much depth, is my opinion.... never claimed it was a fact... where I see lack of unit choices, others might see brilliant simplicity and streamlining.

**Agent_Tremolo**

GW is a front organization for the Bavarian Illuminati. Wake up, sheeple.

**HiveFleetPlastic**

There are some sizeable problems with Warmachine. I've never seen easysauce mention any of them, though.

I would like to add my voice to the people saying there's no need to boycott. Just try playing a different game and you won't even care anymore. There are lots of cool miniatures games around and stopping limiting yourself to GW ones is pretty liberating. Warmachine is fun and Infinity and Malifaux look pretty interesting to me, too.

**Frazzled**

rexscarlet wrote:
GW is continuing to make "current" purchased rules publications obsolete with the release of another purchased rules publication. (the list is long)
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$75 Main/Big Rule Book obsolete in less than two years (6e 23rd of June, 2012)
Wow, just wow.
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It has to stop, and the 40K community are the only ones that can stop it.
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Stop being lemmings, this goes for the Distributors and/or FLGS also, Stop GW now.
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Sticking FLGS and/or Distributors with dead stock with NO buyback program. (fyi, Walmart does not own one product in the entire store, if magazines do not sell, the magazine company takes them back, that goes for the entire contents of the store. Other retailers have similar buyback programs in place, it is common practice in retail)
Closing Countries Borders to selling. (CA, AU, etc.)
GW Direct "only" products, this includes E-Books.
Cease and desist to Fan fiction and homebrew rules websites.
No FLGS Internet sales.
No "new" FaQs for months, no older FaQs on the "new" website.
No rules Support, ever.
Massive flooding of multiple Rule Books with huge issues attached to each.
No Battle Bunkers, No tables in GW stores.(where players used to get "fair" House Rules being used by a large majority, rather than relying on non GW Tournaments).
No Outriders.
GW Stock in the toilet.
Etc. (add to this list if you want)
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All of which We will have to Pay For.
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Stop GW Now

Its not Putin and the 33rd Guards Division. Its just GW. if you don't like it, just don't buy from them.

**Saldiven**

easysauce wrote:
that WMH is bland and repetitive without much depth, is my opinion.... never claimed it was a fact... where I see lack of unit choices, others might see brilliant simplicity and streamlining.

Let me preface this by saying I haven't played Warmachine since it first came out; I couldn't afford two game systems at the time, and just never really went back.

But, saying "where I see lack of unit choices" is just misinformed. Each one of the Warmachine factions has as many or more unit choices than two or three entire WH40K codices. I just checked online, and for example, Cygnar has 48 separate unit choices, not counting mercenaries (and there are close to 50 mercenary options). My Dark Eldar book has 20-25, including all the special characters. My WHFB Dwarf book has the same 20-25, including special characters.

Here's the list:

http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/Cygnar