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 krazynadechukr wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:
GW is continuing to make "current" purchased rules publications obsolete with the release of another purchased rules publication. (the list is long)
.*snip*
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Stop GW Now

Wow. Someone needs a new hobby.

If ever I became this much of a malcontent over a hobby, a casual past time mind you, it'd be time to seriously consider help, or at the least, just find a new hobby that didn't have such a hold over me or my emotions.

Wow.

With cars, computers, phones, and countless other things that get new versions on a yearly basis, does anyone flip out (before all the facts are even out yet) like this?

I think the key point is whether people have spent a significant amount of time with something, and then formed an emotional attachment with it. When that thing then becomes 'worse' you are more angry about it than say if it had always been a pile of crap.

As an example, one of my favourite films when I was growing up was Terminator 2. The first movie was good, but the 2nd one was IMO a classic and one of the best films of all time. I have probably bought about half a dozen copies of it; first VHS (that wore out), then DVD with different editions, and finally Blu-ray. It's fair to say that I'm a big fan!

So, picture the scene, queuing outside the cinema for Terminator 3. We are humming the Brad Fiedl theme tune. Now I won't go into it here, but in summary the 3rd film disappointed me, and my friends who felt the same way about 2, severely. Had it just been any action film with time travelling robots it wouldn't have mattered - but, for me the 3rd film took something I loved and ruined it, made it ugly. IMO it was so bad that it actually damaged the 2nd film, and I don't think it is being OTT to say that the film actually angered me!

I think in some ways it's kind of a similar situation with modern GW for a lot of the long term fans. It was a company that meant a lot to them, like my copy of T2 on VHS, it was something that they felt a connection to. Now when you see the company treating the long term fans with what could really be seen in an uncaring manner at best, contempt at worst, it provokes that much of a stronger emotional reaction. So, you could say the new rules, miniatures, prices are 'alright' and shrug about it. Unfortunately, 'alright' isn't good enough for the people who have known GW for a long time, and had learnt to expect more.

Or the way countless thousands of people feel about the Star Wars prequels, and the changes to the original movie, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and....

Oh my gods! Kirby is George Lucas!

The Auld Grump

 Pacific wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:
GW is continuing to make "current" purchased rules publications obsolete with the release of another purchased rules publication. (the list is long)
.*snip*
.
Stop GW Now

Wow. Someone needs a new hobby.

If ever I became this much of a malcontent over a hobby, a casual past time mind you, it'd be time to seriously consider help, or at the least, just find a new hobby that didn't have such a hold over me or my emotions.

Wow.

With cars, computers, phones, and countless other things that get new versions on a yearly basis, does anyone flip out (before all the facts are even out yet) like this?

I think the key point is whether people have spent a significant amount of time with something, and then formed an emotional attachment with it. When that thing then becomes 'worse' you are more angry about it than say if it had always been a pile of crap.

As an example, one of my favourite films when I was growing up was Terminator 2. The first movie was good, but the 2nd one was IMO a classic and one of the best films of all time. I have probably bought about half a dozen copies of it; first VHS (that wore out), then DVD with different editions, and finally Blu-ray. It's fair to say that I'm a big fan!

So, picture the scene, queuing outside the cinema for Terminator 3. We are humming the Brad Fiedl theme tune. Now I won't go into it here, but in summary the 3rd film disappointed me, and my friends who felt the same way about 2, severely. Had it just been any action film with time travelling robots it wouldn't have mattered - but, for me the 3rd film took something I loved and ruined it, made it ugly. IMO it was so bad that it actually damaged the 2nd film, and I don't think it is being OTT to say that the film actually angered me!

I think in some ways it's kind of a similar situation with modern GW for a lot of the long term fans. It was a company that meant a lot to them, like my copy of T2 on VHS, it was something that they felt a connection to. Now when you see the company treating the long term fans with what could really be seen in an uncaring manner at best, contempt at worst, it provokes that much of a stronger emotional reaction. So, you could say the new rules, miniatures, prices are 'alright' and shrug about it. Unfortunately, 'alright' isn't good enough for the people who have known GW for a long time, and had learnt to expect more.

Have an exalt, my well-written friend

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Or the way countless thousands of people feel about the Star Wars prequels, and the changes to the original movie, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and....

Oh my gods! Kirby is George Lucas!

The Auld Grump

Kirby is worse. At least Lucas cares what fans want even when he misguidedly thinks what they need is all his opinion.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Or the way countless thousands of people feel about the Star Wars prequels, and the changes to the original movie, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and....

Oh my gods! Kirby is George Lucas!

The Auld Grump

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Terminator sequels. After all, it has Emilia Clarke in it.

You know what I don't care how bad it is, we're still getting about 90 minutes of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Or the way countless thousands of people feel about the Star Wars prequels, and the changes to the original movie, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and....

Oh my gods! Kirby is George Lucas!

The Auld Grump

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Terminator sequels. After all, it has Emilia Clarke in it.

You know what I don't care how bad it is, we're still getting about 90 minutes of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor.

Is Summer Glau's Blank Smile not good enough for you now?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Or the way countless thousands of people feel about the Star Wars prequels, and the changes to the original movie, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and....

Oh my gods! Kirby is George Lucas!

The Auld Grump

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Terminator sequels. After all, it has Emilia Clarke in it.

You know what I don't care how bad it is, we're still getting about 90 minutes of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor.

After a quick google search, I have to agree

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Terminator sequels. After all, it has Emilia Clarke in it.

You know what I don't care how bad it is, we're still getting about 90 minutes of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor.

After a quick google search, I have to agree

You did not know she is most well known as Daenerys Stormborn of house Targaryen, Ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, Queen of the Andals, The Breaker of Chains and The Mother of Dragons?

For shame.

But we're veering OT here.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Terminator sequels. After all, it has Emilia Clarke in it.

You know what I don't care how bad it is, we're still getting about 90 minutes of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor.

After a quick google search, I have to agree

You did not know she is most well known as Daenerys Stormborn of house Targaryen, Ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, Queen of the Andals, The Breaker of Chains and The Mother of Dragons?

For shame.

But we're veering OT here.

Hmm... suppose GW got the licence for a GoT TT game?

 liquidjoshi wrote:
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Hmm... suppose GW got the licence for a GoT TT game?

It would be kinda pointless. spearman, archers and cavalry v spearmen, archers and cavalry. One army list would do for pretty much all warring factions.

Deadnight wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
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Hmm... suppose GW got the licence for a GoT TT game?

It would be kinda pointless. spearman, archers and cavalry v spearmen, archers and cavalry. One army list would do for pretty much all warring factions.

Like a historical wargame?

 ulgurstasta wrote:

Deadnight wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
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Hmm... suppose GW got the licence for a GoT TT game?

It would be kinda pointless. spearman, archers and cavalry v spearmen, archers and cavalry. One army list would do for pretty much all warring factions.

Like a historical wargame?

Honestly, I enjoy Field of Glory. The three-ways (yes there are rules for that *shrug*) between my two friends and I usually see my nearly-exclusive hoplite phalanxes crashing headlong into an already-occuring melee between Polish knights and Spanish Tercios.

Deadnight wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
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Hmm... suppose GW got the licence for a GoT TT game?

It would be kinda pointless. spearman, archers and cavalry v spearmen, archers and cavalry. One army list would do for pretty much all warring factions.

Not necessarily. The Total War series does the same thing, and there is quite a bit of variety.

For example:

Roman infantry are pretty tough and disciplined but their archers and cavalry aren't great and they don't have much in terms of spearmen

Egyptian early game infantry aren't great, but they have access to chariots, excellent archers and spearmen

German units deals lots of damage, but they tend to have little armor and fall to arrows easily. They also don't have much in terms of ranged units and have no siege engines

etc,

So in GoT's (or rather, A Song of Ice and Fire's) case, they could do something like:

Northmen : Well disciplined, relatively good at hand to hand combat and they fight considerably better when near their general (especially if it's Robb Stark), but their equipment isn't great as the north isn't quite as rich as the south

Lannisters : Poorly trained units, basically expendable conscripts, but they have some well equipped and trained elite units due to their wealth

New Targaryean Empire (what I'm calling Danny's faction. Not strictly faithful, but best to have a cool name to make them sell well) : Fanatical and well disciplined soldiers (the Unsullied, Ex-slave soldiers, Dothraki etc), tends to be quite effective on the offense but have poor armor. Has cheap and fast moving cavalry in the form of Dothraki loyalists, and can field more horsemen than most factions. However, they are also very dependent on their commanders compared to the other factions; if their general dies, the entire army suffers leader ship penalties; the Ex-Slave soldiers become disheartened that their Mother's chosen commander has fallen, the Dothraki would not wish to serve a fallen leader and will fight amongst themselves to choose a new chief, and the Unsullied's rigid command structure would work against them, as they are unable to operate without orders.

Wildlings : No cavalry and little armor, but they have great archers, can field monsters (giants and mammoths) and their soldiers don't fight in ranked formations, meaning that they are slightly more maneuverable, especially through forests. However, this does mean they aren't as disciplined as the other armies, and will most like lose in a frontal assault against formations of units.

something like that, anyway

rexscarlet wrote:

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Oh, you think opinions on blogs are from individuals, me thinks you need a trip to google, there are a ton of companies that will blog "pro" your company, a ton.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age...

Want a tinfoil hat with that good sir?

Edit: Odd, the website just shown me this thread was just one page... suddenly BAM, 7.

rexscarlet wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:
so true, and all the Sri Lankan Pro Bloggers hired by GW flood this site and all the others, so wishful thinking on my part.
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LOLWUT.

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Oh, you think opinions on blogs are from individuals, me thinks you need a trip to google, there are a ton of companies that will blog "pro" your company, a ton.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age...

This is illegal in the UK under consumer protection laws.

 Daedleh wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:
so true, and all the Sri Lankan Pro Bloggers hired by GW flood this site and all the others, so wishful thinking on my part.
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LOLWUT.

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Oh, you think opinions on blogs are from individuals, me thinks you need a trip to google, there are a ton of companies that will blog "pro" your company, a ton.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age...

This is illegal in the UK under consumer protection laws.

i wasn't aware that the UK categorically banned access to the internet outside of the UK. Besides, it's not that hard to generate a consumer culture around a product that glorifies the product.

 poda_t wrote:

 Daedleh wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:
so true, and all the Sri Lankan Pro Bloggers hired by GW flood this site and all the others, so wishful thinking on my part.
.

LOLWUT.

.
Oh, you think opinions on blogs are from individuals, me thinks you need a trip to google, there are a ton of companies that will blog "pro" your company, a ton.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age...

This is illegal in the UK under consumer protection laws.

i wasn't aware that the UK categorically banned access to the internet outside of the UK. Besides, it's not that hard to generate a consumer culture around a product that glorifies the product.

GW don't seem to understand advertisement or customer satisfaction at fundamental levels, what on earth could lead anyone down this line of thought?

 jonolikespie wrote:

 poda_t wrote:

 Daedleh wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

rexscarlet wrote:
so true, and all the Sri Lankan Pro Bloggers hired by GW flood this site and all the others, so wishful thinking on my part.
.

LOLWUT.

.
Oh, you think opinions on blogs are from individuals, me thinks you need a trip to google, there are a ton of companies that will blog "pro" your company, a ton.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age...

This is illegal in the UK under consumer protection laws.

i wasn't aware that the UK categorically banned access to the internet outside of the UK. Besides, it's not that hard to generate a consumer culture around a product that glorifies the product.

GW don't seem to understand advertisement or customer satisfaction at fundamental levels, what on earth could lead anyone down this line of thought?

Reading a white dwarf?

You mean the magazine that has systematically had all hobby related stuff removed before being split into a picture book and a pamphlet that tells you all about the shiney new things that the internet has known about for weeks and saw proper pictures of days ago?

It seems you completely forgot about the initial enthusiasm for their hhhobby. Think back to that initial enthusiasm, and think about their target audience. That audience is ignorant of the malpractice and lack of customer support. Gw is like the drug dealer in the alley behind the school...

Right, their target audience is kids, people who have never heard of the hobby and "people who buy GW products". Not us hobbyists who are aware enough to know what's going on and go looking for reviews on blogs... So how does anyone think that GW, a worldwide company still using a magazine to publish its news, think GW would hire people to write reviews?

 jonolikespie wrote:
Right, their target audience is kids, people who have never heard of the hobby and "people who buy GW products". Not us hobbyists who are aware enough to know what's going on and go looking for reviews on blogs... So how does anyone think that GW, a worldwide company still using a magazine to publish its news, think GW would hire people to write reviews?

Tinfoil hat.

I boycotted like a year ago, never played the game but painted many models over about 10 years. I don't feel like GW is hurting, but my wallet sure isn't either.

My problem has been trying to find another company that makes models as cool as GW. I've considered buying from other retailers but i felt that wouldn't stick it to the man hard enough.

Just thought i'd share

Not to mention them for any reason other than to highlight a point, but look at this website, hover the mouse over 'wargaming miniatures'
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/

If you say you can't find anything that you would like to paint out of all of that, then I won't believe you

 jonolikespie wrote:
You mean the magazine that has systematically had all hobby related stuff removed before being split into a picture book and a pamphlet that tells you all about the shiney new things that the internet has known about for weeks and saw proper pictures of days ago?

That's the one!


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 King Crow wrote:
I boycotted like a year ago, never played the game but painted many models over about 10 years. I don't feel like GW is hurting, but my wallet sure isn't either.

My problem has been trying to find another company that makes models as cool as GW. I've considered buying from other retailers but i felt that wouldn't stick it to the man hard enough.

Just thought i'd share

Odd, I've had nearly the complete opposite reaction.

Oh look.

It's THIS thread again.

*SNORE*

 Squigsquasher wrote:
Oh look.

It's THIS thread again.

*SNORE*

This is definitely a necessary post in a thread that hasn't had any activity for five days.