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So, the states have to come up with riskier cocktails for executions.
Obviously, the strategy here by the opponents is to shape public opinion by making states choose between either canceling death sentences or facing political fallout from more botched executions caused by unproven cocktails.
What I don't understand, is if the states continues to perform executions, why don't they use Helium overdose? Literally puts them to "sleep".
Maybe not Justice enough?
So many ways around that.
-Pump them full of alcohol.
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Everyone of those cases just reaffirms my opposition to capital punishment.
Not because of "oh my, so the poor guilty guy suffered a bit", but because of "bad enough that there is a decent chance we are killing someone innocent, but we can't even kill the innocent swiftly and without discomfort".
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As far as I'm aware aren't these botched executions to do with the fact that they can't import the tried and tested drugs in from Europe in anymore? Whats going on now is trial and error as they come up with something new.
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Sigvatr wrote: Why don't they just shoot them in the head anyway? Isn't it a lot cheaper and efficient?
Even that doesn't guarantee death.
Depends on the caliber...eh?
Not even that really.
I can tell you stories about people that took shots to the head (both self-inflicted and not) ranging in many calibers as well as shotguns that survived the shot and we found them and treated them with half their head gone. It's a pain in the ass trying to intubate someone when the front of their head is missing and you have to look for air bubbles in the blood to look for the airway.
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Sigvatr wrote: Why don't they just shoot them in the head anyway? Isn't it a lot cheaper and efficient?
Even that doesn't guarantee death.
Depends on the caliber...eh?
Not even that really.
I can tell you stories about people that took shots to the head (both self-inflicted and not) ranging in many calibers as well as shotguns that survived the shot and we found them and treated them with half their head gone. It's a pain in the ass trying to intubate someone when the front of their head is missing and you have to look for air bubbles in the blood to look for the airway.
Woah.
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Sigvatr wrote: Why don't they just shoot them in the head anyway? Isn't it a lot cheaper and efficient?
Even that doesn't guarantee death.
It does if you use an Elephant Gun. Just saying...
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Sigvatr wrote: Why don't they just shoot them in the head anyway? Isn't it a lot cheaper and efficient?
Even that doesn't guarantee death.
It does if you use an Elephant Gun. Just saying...
Or you could just use an M-2. I've personally seen the damage those can do, and about the only reason to put anything back together after that, is if the family insists on an open casket funeral
Sigvatr wrote: Not sure why I should care for a murderer :/
You don't care about the murderer perse, you care about the fact that we are a civilized nation that has it enshrined in our laws to not execute people in cruel and unusual ways.
If we botch that one, why do we care if we botch any other laws?
At least that's the argument I have heard.
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If we're going to execute people, I'd also prefer a close range headshot with a high caliber round or ideally, a shotgun. It seems like the quickest and least painful, and if you don't want to see the mess, maybe you have no right to execute someone.
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Ouze wrote: If we're going to execute people, I'd also prefer a close range headshot with a high caliber round or ideally, a shotgun. It seems like the quickest and least painful, and if you don't want to see the mess, maybe you have no right to execute someone.
What about that old circus trick, the human cannonball?? Seems like it'd work quite well with the right amount of charge, and a distinct lack of safety net
I think one of the reasons they don't execute with a gun any more is because the executioner would know for sure that they were the one that did it. Nowadays don't they try to disguise who actually flicked the switch by having more than one person do it?
Da Boss wrote: I think one of the reasons they don't execute with a gun any more is because the executioner would know for sure that they were the one that did it. Nowadays don't they try to disguise who actually flicked the switch by having more than one person do it?
Yeah, but we also now have the tripod mounted, computerized systems available on combat vehicles to protect soldiers more... so you could easily use a system like this, and remove most of the human element out of it.
Da Boss wrote: I think one of the reasons they don't execute with a gun any more is because the executioner would know for sure that they were the one that did it. Nowadays don't they try to disguise who actually flicked the switch by having more than one person do it?
Not exactly. In firing squads, 5 or 6 guns are given to the shooters, but one has a blank cartridge, with the idea that the shooters don't know which one had the blank, and therefore can rationalize that they didn't kill anyone.
first-degree murder, first-degree rape, kidnapping and robbery, painful execution resulting in death? I don't see the problem.
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How about just release them to General Population....
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Sigvatr wrote: Why don't they just shoot them in the head anyway? Isn't it a lot cheaper and efficient?
Even that doesn't guarantee death.
Use a 12 gauge shotgun with a deer slug at point blank range to the base of the skull.
Obliterates the central brain stem, instantaneous, and not going to fail.
And like anything purely mechanical we could automate it so nobody actually has to pull the trigger.
Alternately, we take a page out of Kim Jong Un's playbook and use high explosives.
There are plenty of simple and effective ways of killing someone without needing a PhD in organic chemistry and increasingly difficult to acquire chemicals.
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