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So the question is simple.... when and wby would anyone chose a Valkyrie over other AM fast attacks. I really want to use the Valkyrie and I feel as though its a strong overall unit. However, it has to compete with the vendetta who h is a tough fight to win. I really love the concept of Valkyries transporting a scoring unit deep into enemy lines after clearing the objective with large blast ingores cover missiles.

How do you use your Valkyries and in your honest opinion, are they ever worth taking over other options?

You use Valkyries if you want to grave chute in a ten man guard squad at the last few turns of a game to seize objectives.

You cannot use Vendettas for this in spite of them clearly having enough room as the Machine spirits are anal-retentive about only fitting six people at a time and will dryfeth any guardsmen/women attempting to go over the limit.

SWS squads are 6 man and scoring.

Mavnas wrote:
SWS squads are 6 man and scoring.

This. They are cheap and can be bought with a platoon you're already purchasing to form a blob (if thats your thing). If you're dedicated to only running veterans, then I'd probably include one Valkyrie for late game mobility regarding objectives.

Mavnas wrote:
SWS squads are 6 man and scoring.

And this is why most people want Vendettas instead unless you're worried about interceptor fire being able to instantly wipe out your SWS.

Though if it can kill 6 guardsmen, it will probably kill 10 just fine too.

 Kain wrote:

Mavnas wrote:
SWS squads are 6 man and scoring.

And this is why most people want Vendettas instead unless you're worried about interceptor fire being able to instantly wipe out your SWS.

Though if it can kill 6 guardsmen, it will probably kill 10 just fine too.

You're probably better off with a PCS+commissar in the vendetta.

I plan to field my Valkyrie with rockets and heavy bolters as anti chaff. Frankly, it's a way better deal than a punisher, you get two large blasts, two heavy bolters, and a multilaser, on a tough flyer, with transport capacity.

 TheSilo wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Mavnas wrote:
SWS squads are 6 man and scoring.

And this is why most people want Vendettas instead unless you're worried about interceptor fire being able to instantly wipe out your SWS.

Though if it can kill 6 guardsmen, it will probably kill 10 just fine too.

You're probably better off with a PCS+commissar in the vendetta.

I plan to field my Valkyrie with rockets and heavy bolters as anti chaff. Frankly, it's a way better deal than a punisher, you get two large blasts, two heavy bolters, and a multilaser, on a tough flyer, with transport capacity.

The issue isn't that the Valkyrie itself is bad. I agree that it’s basically the punisher of the sky and serves as a good infantry clearing device. It could also easily glance down other, lighter armor flyers quite easily. The issue for me is that the vendetta is unmatched in the AM codex for its ability to tear down enemy fliers (not to mention it's awesome vs ground vehicles as well) so it makes it difficult for me to justify bringing the Valkyrie solely for its decent troop killing weapons, especially with the Wyvern being introduced. The main goal of this thread is to collect some feedback on how I could make good enough use of the Valkyrie overall to justify bringing it. I know it's viable, but is it really competitive?

The Valkyrie is a flying Chimera with rockets on it. I use them as such.

The valkyrie was a good buy in the last book, but it was overshadowed by the Vendetta. The Vendetta is still great, but is close to correctly costing, making a Valkyrie 35 points cheaper (you are buying rocket pods, and heavy bolters won't hurt).

A veteran squad in a Valkyrie can actually do some work before objective grabbing, with BS4 meltas or plasmas.

Basically, if you want to transport, save your points and take the valkyrie.

Well if the valkyrie is great at killing infantry then let it do that. Filll the other slots for other roles. So if you need anti tank take vanquishers and infantry squads with lascannons, and maybe special weapon squads with meltas in tha valkyries.

The if you need anti air take hydras or quad guns from bastions and defense lines.

Think of what the valkyrie is doing (killing light infantry) and build a list with that in mind, so look to include other units for anti tank/Meq/ anti air.

Valks are a relatively cheap method to get some forward scoring and a unit to deal out damage to troops. They also work nicely for 10 man veteran squads to DS in with 3 plasma near a target. In fact they are the only flying transport for veterans.

Valks are nice for infantry clearing, but if your opponent is heavy mech/flyer, I would take the Vendetta over it. The killing power against 1 unit is unmatched.
Personally, I magnetize the weapon points on my Valkyries so that I can switch out Hellstrikes/MRL/Lascannons on the fly.

EDIT: Oh, and if you're taking a Vendetta, toss some Stormtroopers SCIONS in the back for a little AP3 MEQ killing goodness.

Still need two vendettas if you want a decent chance of taking out a Helldrake in a single round, i.e. before it BBQs 2 turns worth of things you really don't want burned. I guess that's less of a thing if you have blobs.

Or you could take a quad gun in addition to your flyer(s) and possibly take it out by your turn two thanks to interceptor.

If you go tank commander, hellhounds/eq can work. you can potnetially outflank them.