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Well...this thread is going wonderful places. It's ridiculous. Best word I can use and not get a warning, but there are far more appropriate choices...

Yeah, funny how my concern for the Mods enforcing rule #1 and taking away posting privileges is having a significant impact on my choice of language!

I think it's time for a bane... or a at least thread of bane...

Seriously though probably should lock this thread up and cast it to the depths...

That way you can get back to shilling for KS... I kid, I kid!

Perhaps if I bung them a few quid.....

 gothmog wrote:
OK, I hit a nerve. I could have used more tact in this post. I still say that being a MOD should carry a certain amount of impartiality.

They are impartial. All they are doing is posting something that interests them and interacting with the community. Becoming a mod doesn't mean you immediately become a robot that has no interests outside of the edit, delete and ban buttons.

It would become a conflict of interests if they were financially invested in the kickstarter outside of simply being a backer, and were using their mod privileges to remove or edit negative feedback. So far, this has not happened.

 gothmog wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
WHY?!!!!

They're not paid!!!

Dakka is not a democracy, you are here at the sufferance of Yakface and his nominated representatives.

While it may sound trite, if you don't like that, there's other forums.

What exactly does "getting paid" have to do with doing the right thing? But thanks for telling me to leave if I don't like the way you play your game.

How do you believe they aren't doing the 'right thing'?
Is backing and talking about kickstarters somehow immoral?
Do you believe they are deleting comments in those KS threads they don't agree with?
Do you think they are being told/bribed to promote KSs?
Are you somehow under the impression that Dakka is affiliated with any 1 model company and shouldn't be talking about others?

 RiTides wrote:
Well so much for the "mods are great" thread that got locked up last week

If any mod talks about a Kickstarter, they're doing so like any other poster, not on behalf the site. I've made threads for companies as well as Kickstarter campaigns for models I like... but it's "I", not Dakka!

Companies have always been encouraged to post here and engage with the community, but Kickstarter does seem to have accelerated that a bit. Not sure it's really a "mod issue", but more crowd funding becoming a really large part of wargaming the last two years, and thus generating a lot of discussion on Dakka.

@#$% Ritides he's on to us! I knew I shouldn't have gotten that Lambregini with my KS slush money...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I think "gothmog" is also confusing "DCM" with "MOD" as well...

Quite so...

Just looked back through his post history, and it seems to be as much:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/593167.page

In that thread, he starts the rant...even without a single MOD posting in it...at least till you did, which was after him...

Exactly!

Also, that would explain some of this - but it wouldn't explain, justify, or excuse spamming the forum with this.

I'd suggest he contact the owners of Dakka Dakka if he feels any Moderator on this site has done anything 'wrong'.

Yeah, I admit that I was lumping DCMs and MODs in the same boat. Still, both of them carry weight on this forum.

 gothmog wrote:

Yeah, I admit that I was lumping DCMs and MODs in the same boat. Still, both of them carry weight on this forum.

No more so than any other prominent user.

You still haven't explained why you think this is actually a problem.

No, they don't.

Well, can't speak for you, but personally, I decide if I think someone is a moron or not completely independently of little abbreviations under their user name.

I carry more weight as a DCM?

Dammit I wish someone told me that months ago.
NON DCM PEASANTS, BRING ME WINE!

Pfft, how little you all know.

My DCM status makes me important than all other non-DCM users.

It is known.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I carry more weight as a DCM?

Dammit I wish someone told me that months ago.
NON DCM PEASANTS, BRING ME WINE!

Go feth yourself.

 insaniak wrote:

 gothmog wrote:

Yeah, I admit that I was lumping DCMs and MODs in the same boat. Still, both of them carry weight on this forum.

No more so than any other prominent user.

You still haven't explained why you think this is actually a problem.

I think it is a problem because when a MOD advoctes a KS, they carry more weight that some Joe doing the same thing. It is like an agent of the FTC telling people which stocks he likes, thereby advocating a certain purchase, instead of moderating (regulating) the exchange.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I carry more weight as a DCM?

Dammit I wish someone told me that months ago.
NON DCM PEASANTS, BRING ME WINE!

No, you spend all your time bringing Manchu cheese-its, and Alpharius the latest episodes of Adventure Time.

it's rough living in the DCM forums. I escaped

 gothmog wrote:


I think it is a problem because when a MOD advoctes a KS, they carry more weight that some Joe doing the same thing.

This is news to me.

 gothmog wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 gothmog wrote:

Yeah, I admit that I was lumping DCMs and MODs in the same boat. Still, both of them carry weight on this forum.

No more so than any other prominent user.

You still haven't explained why you think this is actually a problem.

I think it is a problem because when a MOD advoctes a KS, they carry more weight that some Joe doing the same thing. It is like an agent of the FTC telling people which stocks he likes, thereby advocating a certain purchase, instead of moderating (regulating) the exchange.

Except that they don't. If I backed every KS that RiTides and Alpharius backed, I'd be a poor poor man. In fact often times I don't have the same tastes in KS as Alpharius. So no, their [MOD] tags offer no such bearing.

This is a hell of a different tone to the last 'Mod' thread...

 gothmog wrote:
I think it is a problem because when a MOD advoctes a KS, they carry more weight that some Joe doing the same thing.

Two things.

1 - No they don't.
and
2 - So what if we do?

You seem to have some odd, twisted idea of just what DakkaDakka is. What this site is, is a venue for discussion. That's all. If you and a bunch of guys get together at somebody's house, and the owner of that house says that he likes a particular company and everyone should check out their minis, is [i]that/i] a conflict of interest? Or is it just some guy sharing an opinion, who just happens to also be the owner of the place you're currently standing in?

It is like an agent of the FTC telling people which stocks he likes, thereby advocating a certain purchase, instead of moderating (regulating) the exchange.

No, it is nothing at all even remotely like that.

 motyak wrote:
This is a hell of a different tone to the last 'Mod' thread...

I assure you this is not a "call-out" thread. Just an observation (AKA "opinion").

Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid as hell with no relation to reality.

 gothmog wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I think "gothmog" is also confusing "DCM" with "MOD" as well...

Quite so...

Just looked back through his post history, and it seems to be as much:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/593167.page

In that thread, he starts the rant...even without a single MOD posting in it...at least till you did, which was after him...

Exactly!

Also, that would explain some of this - but it wouldn't explain, justify, or excuse spamming the forum with this.

I'd suggest he contact the owners of Dakka Dakka if he feels any Moderator on this site has done anything 'wrong'.

Yeah, I admit that I was lumping DCMs and MODs in the same boat. Still, both of them carry weight on this forum.

That's a big fat crock of junk right there. I am a DCM because I support dakka dakka and I chose to show my support monetarily. I don't have any more weight/influence on this website then anyone else. To suggest otherwise is laughable and smells of envy or a bone to grind. If it's envy I'm inclined to believe you have been sorely misinformed about what benifits you get for being a DCM. I would recommend you hit the button and read what it includes.

As to the MODS on this here website, they are some if the best around, they are fair and they enforce the standards equally. Heck I have even gotten a warming for going a bit to far before.

I'd suggest taking a step back and looking at what you are really angry about, because what your suggesting is illogical at best and ill informed at the least.

Wait, did I miss the day they handed out DCM influence powers?

Guuuyyyyysss, why didn't anyone tell me I got powers with my DCM status?

 insaniak wrote:

 gothmog wrote:
I think it is a problem because when a MOD advoctes a KS, they carry more weight that some Joe doing the same thing.

Two things.

1 - No they don't.
and
2 - So what if we do?

You seem to have some odd, twisted idea of just what DakkaDakka is. What this site is, is a venue for discussion. That's all. If you and a bunch of guys get together at somebody's house, and the owner of that house says that he likes a particular company and everyone should check out their minis, is [i]that/i] a conflict of interest? Or is it just some guy sharing an opinion, who just happens to also be the owner of the place you're currently standing in?

It is like an agent of the FTC telling people which stocks he likes, thereby advocating a certain purchase, instead of moderating (regulating) the exchange.

No, it is nothing at all even remotely like that.

No, I get it.

Not calling anyone out. Just discussing my opinion.

I think it is poor taste for MODS to be promoting KS or anything else while logged in as a MOD. Whether you like it or not, a MOD's opinion alters the discourse more than regular members.

Do you pay to use this site? No? Shut your can. I've paid $100 to support the site so far. I have no complaint with what goes on here. What support have you offered?

 gothmog wrote:
Whether you like it or not, a MOD's opinion alters the discourse more than regular members.

For you, maybe.

Frankly, an opinion should be judged on the merits of its contents, not by who said it.

Especially with something as arbitrary as being a mod on a wargaming forum.


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 poda_t wrote:
Do you pay to use this site? No? Shut your can. I've paid $100 to support the site so far. I have no complaint with what goes on here. What support have you offered?

Preach brotha!

 Bookwrack wrote:
Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's not stupid as hell with no relation to reality.

You so eloquently prove my point. Thank you!

 gothmog wrote:
No, I get it.

Not calling anyone out. Just discussing my opinion.

I think it is poor taste for MODS to be promoting KS or anything else while logged in as a MOD. Whether you like it or not, a MOD's opinion alters the discourse more than regular members.

Things of Note:
1) No one is allowed to have more than 1 account on Dakka. so Mods cannot log in as an alt account without having that account banned and taking a little break from Dakka
2) The only time anyone alters their opinions is when a mod busts out the "mod voice" generally denoted by Red text. Otherwise, they're just like us.
3) Speaking of being just like us, Mods give up their valuable free time to moderate the site. They don't get paid, they get access to a few extra forums, and the thankless task of moderating one of the largest wargaming sites on the internet.

 gothmog wrote:
No, I get it.

Not calling anyone out. Just discussing my opinion.

I think it is poor taste for MODS to be promoting KS or anything else while logged in as a MOD. Whether you like it or not, a MOD's opinion alters the discourse more than regular members.

So even if they alter it, why does that matter? Unless they are the creator of the Kickstarter, they see not tangible benefit (other than the kickstarter successfully funding). Are you worried they are drawing attention away from the game system you are partial to?

 gothmog wrote:
Whether you like it or not, a MOD's opinion alters the discourse more than regular members.

Nope, wrong again. You REALLY need to work on that whole critical thinking thing.

The problem just seems to be that given your join date and low post count, you've never spent much time, or paid much attention to what's actually being posted in the forum. So whenever you were last looking around was before the current growth of kickstarter, and it only seems to you like suddenly, kickstarter threads are everywhere... because there are a lot of war-gaming kickstarter projects that people are all fired up about.

It's not rocket science. People are enthusiastic about projects, they talk about projects.

Your other major failure is the bizarre assumption that moderation on a war-gaming sight don't actually get to participate in the war-gaming hobby... not sure how you managed to dream that one up.