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 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
Yes, I personally line the pockets of at least 3 mods here to promote my Kickstarters.

How do I get a piece of this action???

First, you must have a seething hatred for the main miniature companies as well as be as hipster as possible.

The second, you must always support zombie kickstarters or Zombie-related Kickstarters, no matter if they are silly or not as they are gold mines for money. Also, you must believe that kickstarters are the way of the future of business

Okay, I made up this nonsense, as I kid and I am being sarcastic late at night.

 Bookwrack wrote:

 gothmog wrote:
But I see that I didn't approach this the right way.

You called board members 'shills' in the title.

It took you three pages to figure out that was the wrong way to do things?

Technically, I asked a question in the title.

I'm not a shill I'm a cultist!
Incidentally there is no conflict of interest and no one pays more attention to a MOD because they are one. They pay attention to certain people they share interests with, some of those people are MODs.

Isn't this why Lego implemented the Exalt function? So the MODs can see who the influential users are so that they can be folded into the Kickstarter promotional team?

DCM = KS Promotional Team, I thought?

Gosh, I have to pay more attention at the shill meetings.

 purplefood wrote:
Incidentally there is no conflict of interest and no one pays more attention to a MOD because they are one.

Honestly this hold pretty true for me. More often then not I don't "notice" a MOD posting unless they use Red Text. Every poster just blends in together after a while.


But maybe that's just me.

 Snrub wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Incidentally there is no conflict of interest and no one pays more attention to a MOD because they are one.

Honestly this hold pretty true for me. More often then not I don't "notice" a MOD posting unless they use Red Text. Every poster just blends in together after a while.


But maybe that's just me.

Well during the whole Alpharius thing I can think of one MOD you probably had trouble being noticed

It pleases me to see so many mods here in this thread. Mainly Insaniak but that's because I love cats.

If by Shills you mean 'sexy' and by KS you mean 'reals'... then yes...

 gothmog wrote:
I think it is poor taste for MODS to be promoting KS or anything else while logged in as a MOD. Whether you like it or not, a MOD's opinion alters the discourse more than regular members.

Why stop at kickstarters?

Alpharius runs the Infinity news and rumour thread. He's good at it, he steers conversations back on topic without using his mod voice. He's also fairly vocal about the game, tries to help drum up support, and is probably one of the bigger collectors of the game on this forum (I believe he owns miniatures from every faction).

He is, however, a mod. Should he revoke all right to have interest in the game, stop managing the news thread and generally not show any of the passion he has for the game?

After all, conflict of interest in your opinion. It's not a kick starter, but he could very well, using his mod tag under his name to unfairly gather support for the game that he loves. People will flock to the game, unwittingly swayed by the charismatic mod tag, and funnel all of their money into Corvus Bellis pockets. Not on the strength of the game system, or the quality of the models, or the enthusiastic community support offered by Corvus Belli themselves. No, that honey sweet tone that his mod tag overlays on all of his posts. It's just not fair.

And talk about a conflict of interest! His screen name is Alpharius, and his avatar is (when it's not Scarlett Johanson) an Alpha Legion space marine! He's not even hiding this very obvious immoral stance on a competitors product.

Sorry, no. Moderators are people and wargamers, and they have interests as well. There's nothing wrong with them sharing their interests with any other poster, and their moderator tag bears no actual extra weight to their opinions. If they like something that's bad, that thing they like is still bad whether they're a moderator or not. They just have their own opinion, like you like claiming you are expressing here.

Although Alpharius does carry extra weight because he's awesome.

Im not going to touch on this moderator impartiality that has been going on for a few pages, but with regards to KS being effectively advertised on here I kinda prefer it. I'm always interested in new models/ranges/games etc but I don't tend to go onto KS myself as there's heaps of other stuff I'd have to sift through to find things I'm interested in. Plus in some cases things in the KS like stretchgoals can develop based somewhat off the response they get from forums like this. Quite often people who start those KS also create profiles on here so they can advertise their KS. I dont know exactly how this is regulated, but they seem to stay around whereas those guys selling rolex watch replicas or louis vuitton handbags are kicked pretty quick. If its related to wargaming, it seems to have the go ahead. And that is what I'm here for.

^^haha, I actually wouldn't mind if Alph did that since there would be more people to talk about infinity with. I doubt it would start any more people in NZ playing it... but who knows how far his powers stretch?

Well gothmog. You figured it all out.

 Brotherjanus wrote:
It pleases me to see so many mods here in this thread. Mainly Insaniak but that's because I love cats.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST!

cat shills are the worst

I have the sense, and just bare with me here, that some new Dakka memes could come of this.

Goodness! Defensive much?

It's just an opinion. Right or wrong, still an opinion.

 -Loki- wrote:
Why stop at kickstarters?

I don't always shill, but when I do, I prefer Kickstarter.

 Manchu wrote:

 Brotherjanus wrote:
It pleases me to see so many mods here in this thread. Mainly Insaniak but that's because I love cats.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST!

cat shills are the best

I have the sense, and just bare with me here, that some new Dakka memes could come of this.

I fixed that for you.

Edit: And by doing that I now have a kitty above me! I can leave this thread a happy wargamer.

Edit 2: And a cat below me!

Oh my god. This thread is made of awesome.

Now, Gothmog, as a DCM, I hereby order thee to deposit money into my PayPal account, because reasons. Please note that as a non-DCM and non-mod you have no choice to refuse.
Thanks!

The only reason anyone will put more stock in a DCM's or MOD's opinion is because of their own - completely true*, by the way - beliefs that we have some sort of superior knowledge or inside information. There is nothing that forces anyone to believe DCM Joe or Moderator Joe over Average Joe, and people should do their own research into their own decisions.

If you have a beef with DCMs and MODs giving their personal opinions, then why do you not have any issues with how established authors recommend books that half of them probably didn't read, or celebrity-branded food, clothing, homeware and cookware? You see myriad adverts about how a certain actor or actress swears by a certain cosmetic item and you don't bat an eyelid, but you see a DCM or MOD on some obscure forum trying to give their opinion on a kickstarter and suddenly they're trying to swindle everyone?

If someone is drawn to things based purely on the status of an individual who backs it opposed to its own merits and their own opinions then it is they who has the issue here, not the individual who backs it.

Maybe next time you see a celebrity endorse something you can accuse them of shilling, hell, it happens often enough that all you'll have to do is watch TV until the adverts come on.

*In case of strategically-broken sarcasm detectors, I feel that I must clarify that this statement was intended to be humorous, and should in no way be taken as meaning that DCM and MODs are superior.

Even if we are.

This thread amuses me...,next round's on me in the uber-secret DCM shill-lounge. :-)

This is one of the more ridiculous topics I have seen in my time... I mean, OF COURSE we're out to get you, and brainwash you into backing everything we back, because we know the absolute awe everyone has for our regal and vaunted positions. Through various shell corporations and hedge funds, we actually own all Kickstarters in the wargaming venue, from which we funnel the profits into high yield short term investments for a period of 6 months to a year before we let the project complete... hence explaining the constant KS delays.

Oh, we are also clever enough to diversely support different kickstarters, never unanimously, to maintain plausible deniability.

We are all in fact bored billionaires seeking to dominate the wargaming fanbase through a myriad of dastardly schemes, with the eventual goal of turning you into a slave force to our yet to be revealed corporate hegemony.

That, or you know, we're volunteers who get squat for our time who were and still are wargamers who happen to like some KS's ourselves from time to time with absolutely no difference from anyone else when it comes to that?

Nah, that would be too crazy. Definitely, we're out to get you and this is the first step to destroying western civilization to be replace with the Tyranny of Dakka.

 gothmog wrote:
Goodness! Defensive much?

I'm just a troll. Right or wrong, still an opinion.

Fixed that for you.

 Azazelx wrote:
Oh my god. This thread is made of awesome.

Now, Gothmog, as a DCM, I hereby order thee to deposit money into my PayPal account, because reasons. Please note that as a non-DCM and non-mod you have no choice to refuse.
Thanks!

Just a word of friendly advice: You are not nearly as funny or original as you think you are.

gothmog - you keep saying this isn't a call out, but it's pretty much a call-out or trolling. Show some - any example of some biased moderation, or you're just being inflammatory.

For the record, I barely used dakka until Warseer buried Kickstarters where they were guaranteed not to get any participation. It's this website's open acceptance and encouragement of discussion of kickstarters that has me as an active member here. Mods probably carry weight only because those who are invited to be mods tend to have their heads set squarely on their shoulders, so make rational and persuasive arguments. I appreciate the fact that the mods have that discussion, and anyone else who contributes to ensure there's lively discussion about kickstarters on this site. If there wasn't that discussion, why would anyone look at any kickstarter content in the rumours here?

 gothmog wrote:
Goodness! Defensive much?

It's just an opinion. Right or wrong, still an opinion.

Yes, it's a little weird how when you start a thread that questions the integrity of a whole bunch of people based on nothing more than a misunderstanding of what those people's role is within the forum, that some of those on the forums might take it a little amiss.

People are funny like that.


So, on that note, I think that we've about exhausted the productive discussion here. We've laughed, we've cried, but it's time to lock this thread down and suspend everybody who didn't support the Kingdom Death Kickstarter.