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Just felt like starting a thread on this awesome game..
I was just finishing up some insurgents and US Army that I use to teach people how easy and simple the basics are.
The pictures are bad but I'll get them in some
Good light one of these day.

Oops same picture twice

Looks very nice! Any chance of some closer-up pics, and can I ask what miniatures you are using?

Have you had a chance to play any games yet?

Yes I love the heck out of this game.. My US army are 20mm from elhiem. I forget who makes the insurgents (I'll look through my online receipts and find them) but they are 1/72 scale and unfortunately they are a softish plastic so I had to do a lot of heating them up to reposition some weapons. But it was $11usd for about 40-50 figures. Not the greatest, but very cost effective way to flesh out some bad guys.. I'll try to get some better pics up soon

Here are some much nicer pics. I didn't go for extreme details on these guys as they are smallish and the focus is much more on enjoying this game to me. I give my painting love to my Warmachine, 40k Characters, and other more display type models. I also wanted a been playing in the dirt not fresh out of the laundry room look.

Looking good.

Love to read some batreps. I enjoy Force-on-Force a great deal myself!

HMMMMMM I may have to do one.. I never have so maybe next time I am teaching someone I'll take a camera along for good shots instead of iPhone pics.

very very nice

Those insurgents are from Ceaser miniatures Modern Urban Resisters set. It's a generic set useful for Middle Easter/African irregulars.

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1044

Thanks guys.. Thank you for knowing who made them.. I had
Forgotten..

Tired of fighting in hills
Woods and few buildings.. Started making some
Urban terrain for my games. Don't be too harsh.. I don't
Do terrain often..


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The painted building was textured with paper mâché too time consuming for me..

Looks awesome.

A quick way to add texture, especially a stucco type look is by rubbing a little bit of spackling paste on the sides.

Yeah I didn't have any on hand.. :/ I need to buy some

I would err on the side of this being some of the better middle eastern terrain I've seen in a while though. Especially if it is scratch made.

So nice looking! and so FUNCTIONAL!!!!!

Awww Strombones... You're making me blush :") lol



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Seriously thank you for the compliment though!!!

 Strombones wrote:
I would err on the side of this being some of the better middle eastern terrain I've seen in a while though. Especially if it is scratch made.

So nice looking! and so FUNCTIONAL!!!!!

This, it dose indeed look very good. Great job on them, what materials did you use? And may I ask for more pictures of any more minis you may have lurking?

Warsmith262 wrote:
Thanks guys.. Thank you for knowing who made them.. I had
Forgotten..

If you like this scale, then that plastic soldier review site is going to be invaluable to you. There's actually been a lot of modern stuff in 1/72 plastics that you may want to look into. The plastic can be annoying in terms of hot water straightening and the like, but I think your results speak for themselves.

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/PeriodList.aspx?period=48

good deal... I my have to pick up some of those reveal modern US Army to paint up for some early 00's iraq invasion.

Progress on my terrain thus far.

Is that foam core and balsa wood for the trim? Looks like it's turning out great. For the stairs, might I suggest making a small set of stairs the width of a figure's base that you can put on the stairs upside down to make a level platform for when a miniature ends up part way up or down the stairs? I hope that makes sense. Here's a diagram:

: \0/ :: # <-- miniature :::/ \ ::::XX :::::X <-- upside down stair platform :::::: ::::::: :::::::: <-- stairs :::::::::

Sorry about the terrible diagram
.

Thats actually a great idea!!!! I shall borrow your idea when this is ready for play..
and the diagram is perfect!

If you want a faster way to get the building texture consider a non-shrinking drywall compound. You apply a very light layer of it and then texture it by pressing with a green scouring pad and then let it dry and paint later. It's also good stuff to fill in the exposed foam edges.



One of these:


If it ends up being too textured for your liking, when it's partially dry you can smooth it out with the same scouring pads using a sanding motion.

As for the stair platform, you probably don't need to make it cover three stairs. Two should probably do as you'll then get three stair widths of a platform. I've adjusted the diagram.

Thats another great idea! I'm thankful for all the ideas that y'all are passing on to me. I really am novice at terrain making. I have watched a few videos but that scouring pad texturing idea seems pretty awesome!

 frozenwastes wrote:

Warsmith262 wrote:
Thanks guys.. Thank you for knowing who made them.. I had
Forgotten..

If you like this scale, then that plastic soldier review site is going to be invaluable to you. There's actually been a lot of modern stuff in 1/72 plastics that you may want to look into. The plastic can be annoying in terms of hot water straightening and the like, but I think your results speak for themselves.

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/PeriodList.aspx?period=48

Oh wow. I've never seen these before. Not bad at all.

Dj0311 and I always toy with modern skirmish stuff but for some reason can't ever get it started. I feel like (and this is likely a personal bias) that modern conflict is largely thought about in a "western" or "technologically superior" force vs. a "insurgent" or "soviet bloc weaponry" force context. Not saying that this couldn't be a lot of fun, but I feel like it kind of hinders the "modern" scene. Who wants to play as poorly equipped milita when you can take helo inserted SEALS or SAS backed by an Apache?

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what slowed down FOW Vietnam. What are you all's thoughts on this?

Seeing some other nation's stuff, i.e. China and the like, there is some awesome potential for wargaming here. Does force on force have nation specific rules?

EDIT: Holy S**t! that Orion range has models getting straight beheaded!

Not so much on the nation specific rules. Actually apart from vehicles nothing has a stat line nor are there iany weapon stats to speak of. The idea behind the game is that (especially where small arms are concerned) it's not the weapon it's the person using it. So you have a dice value called a troop quality. Your civilians/insurgents don't all operate on the same skill so they tend to be troop quality d6. Your trained regulars have a troop quality of d8 usually, veterans d10 and elite spec ops seal team 6 types have d12. A 'fire team' of irregulars with a saw type mg, and say an rpg will roll 1d6 for each member of the team and add two bonus d6 for the rpk and RPG. So 6 insurgents with the rpk and RPG roll 8d6 when attacking. Similarly a US army fire team (4 soldiers) with saw and m203 would roll 6d8 when attacking. The combat system is opposed dice rolls where 4+ equals successful hit and wound. The defender rolls a number of dice based on number of models and various other modifiers (cover, concealment) so for instance the American fire team would roll 5d8 basic (1 d8 for each plus an additional d8 because the squad has body armor) and successfully defends on 4+ rolls . Ex:

Insurgents roll their attack and get a 6,5,4,4,3,3,3,1
Americans roll their defense and get. 8,7,6,3,3
Insurgents have 4 successes (6,5,4,4)
Americans have 3 (8,7,6)
The defender/Americans then allocate their defense dice against the attackers. So in that example only 1 casualty is caused on the Americans.
You then go on to check moral, seriousness of the wound, etc.

There really are no army lists and I feel this can be a huge drawback sometimes. But then again it's scenario and tactics driven. There are all sorts of cool things you can do, in the form off interrupts and the dog of war cards that can occur when you fail to interrupt an opponent. Anyways rambling on. Some friends and I have come up with a make shift army list and so far it hasn't created anything too unbalanced. Maybe I'll share it in a future post.


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AAG does a supplement for FOF called Cold War gone hot.. That would be a great one
To fight out NATO vs Soviets


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Of course road to Baghdad would mostly pit regulars vs regulars as well

 Strombones wrote:
Dj0311 and I always toy with modern skirmish stuff but for some reason can't ever get it started. I feel like (and this is likely a personal bias) that modern conflict is largely thought about in a "western" or "technologically superior" force vs. a "insurgent" or "soviet bloc weaponry" force context. Not saying that this couldn't be a lot of fun, but I feel like it kind of hinders the "modern" scene. Who wants to play as poorly equipped milita when you can take helo inserted SEALS or SAS backed by an Apache?

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what slowed down FOW Vietnam. What are you all's thoughts on this?

Ask the Chechens how that whole "technologically superior" force thing works out.

Admittedly, it's fun to play with all the extra toys. But this is going to be a problem no matter which game you're talking about. And keep in mind that "soviet bloc weaponry" still allows a lot of fun. A Spetznaz team being inserted via Hind is just as interesting as the SAS backed up by an Apache.

I play Ambush Valley, the Force-on-Force supplement for Vietnam.

Superb game, love it.




But, then I wrote it...

Eumerin wrote:

 Strombones wrote:
Dj0311 and I always toy with modern skirmish stuff but for some reason can't ever get it started. I feel like (and this is likely a personal bias) that modern conflict is largely thought about in a "western" or "technologically superior" force vs. a "insurgent" or "soviet bloc weaponry" force context. Not saying that this couldn't be a lot of fun, but I feel like it kind of hinders the "modern" scene. Who wants to play as poorly equipped milita when you can take helo inserted SEALS or SAS backed by an Apache?

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what slowed down FOW Vietnam. What are you all's thoughts on this?

Ask the Chechens how that whole "technologically superior" force thing works out.

Admittedly, it's fun to play with all the extra toys. But this is going to be a problem no matter which game you're talking about. And keep in mind that "soviet bloc weaponry" still allows a lot of fun. A Spetznaz team being inserted via Hind is just as interesting as the SAS backed up by an Apache.

Oh I agree completely. I wasn't trying to make a point in terms of military effectiveness, but rather in terms of shiny toys.

 Strombones wrote:

Oh I agree completely. I wasn't trying to make a point in terms of military effectiveness, but rather in terms of shiny toys.

Which is why I mentioned the Spetznaz with the Hind.

Warsaw Pact troops, and post-Soviet Eastern Europe (including Russia) should have plenty of shiny toys in the event of a "Cold War Gone Hot" hypothetical. It's only when you get to the Middle East, Africa, and/or irregular forces that you start finding the lack of shininess.

that whole warsaw pac vs nato thing is starting to sound great.. may have to do a east vs west campaign based around current events in the ukraine. might be fun to ponder a world war with that as a spark to it. Would china get involved? How would India react to chinas entrance? would Iran use the ordeal as an opportunity to expand their influence in the middle east? so on and so forth.. of course My group is composed of a lot of zombie fanatics. who says we have to keep in realistic when we can throw zombies in the mix with the ambush Z supplement!!! =D


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I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what slowed down FOW Vietnam. What are you all's thoughts on this?



I am curious has anyone played much of the Iraeli vs Arab war supplement for FOW yet?i don't imagine its too different that regular flames of war.. just curious if it has a decent following from dakkaites