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No Malefic Daemonology on Inquisitors, but it is in the GK book, so if you were leading a force of Grey Knights you probably wouldn't summon a daemon right in front of them XD

Kyutaru wrote:

 ashikenshin wrote:
what I want to know is what does this mean for the Eldar Hemlock Wraithfighter. It says that psyker pilots can generate daemonlogy powers plus any other powers they generate in their unit entry. Well the Hemlock Wraithfighter only knows Terrify, does this mean he can generate daemonology powers now? and if he doesn't generate them does he have the primaris power from telepathy?

I don't have the Eldar book but the rulebook for 7th states that if you get a SPECIFIC power, you are not considered able to generate powers from a discipline and cannot roll for Daemonology.

This also applies to Grey Knights, who have all their models able to use psyker powers. Since 90% of them get SPECIFIC powers, they can't roll for Daemonology. Only Librarians and champions can. However, Grey Knights figures get specific Sanctic powers anyway for free so they don't really need to roll.

Agreed, a Hemlock can't generate a power, they have one (Terrify) already assigned to them.

 pretre wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
BA no longer have their own powers. They roll on tables like everyone else. Problem "solved".

Along with SW. No more Jaws.

And Runic weapons nerfed/adjusted to +1 DTW.

 Mywik wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
BA no longer have their own powers. They roll on tables like everyone else. Problem "solved".

Along with SW. No more Jaws.

And Runic weapons nerfed/adjusted to +1 DTW.

Is that really a nerf though? It is now unlimited range and each dice you roll for DTW is 5+... Njal is 4+. That seems pretty decent.

 Idolator wrote:
Notice that they deleted the "Primary" from the detachment description on Heralds.

Now, you definitely can take four per detachment.

And no more than four!

--but that's in a detachment. So it's still a silly army construction loophole for Unbound armies. Daemon Primary Unbound may take 0-4 Heralds (since it's a detachment, it's limited). Anything-else Primary Unbound may take infinity Heralds (since it's not a detachment, it's unlimited).

 pretre wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
BA no longer have their own powers. They roll on tables like everyone else. Problem "solved".

Along with SW. No more Jaws.

And Runic weapons nerfed/adjusted to +1 DTW.

Is that really a nerf though? It is now unlimited range and each dice you roll for DTW is 5+... Njal is 4+. That seems pretty decent.

Yes but it only applies if they're the target (or one of the targets) of the power.
Doesn't help if your oppoent is casting a Blessing or Conjuration etc...


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 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Notice that they deleted the "Primary" from the detachment description on Heralds.

Now, you definitely can take four per detachment.

And no more than four!

--but that's in a detachment. So it's still a silly army construction loophole for Unbound armies. Daemon Primary Unbound may take 0-4 Heralds (since it's a detachment, it's limited). Anything-else Primary Unbound may take infinity Heralds (since it's not a detachment, it's unlimited).

But the Unbound rules say you ignore Detachment restrictions...

You guys check out the Stronghold Errata? No more 20 page threads on what happens when a blast/template hits a void shield

It only hits once, regardless of models underneath the blast/template

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Notice that they deleted the "Primary" from the detachment description on Heralds.

Now, you definitely can take four per detachment.

And no more than four!

--but that's in a detachment. So it's still a silly army construction loophole for Unbound armies. Daemon Primary Unbound may take 0-4 Heralds (since it's a detachment, it's limited). Anything-else Primary Unbound may take infinity Heralds (since it's not a detachment, it's unlimited).

"If you use the Unbound method, then once you chose your Warlord, every model in your army that has the same Faction (pg 118) as your Warlord is considered to be part of the Primary Detachment for all rules purposes. Of course, in an Unbound army, these models are not bound by any Detachment restrictions and do not receive command benefits."

They are not bound by detachment restrictions at all in unbound. Infinite heralds is allowed in unbound. Geez, dude. It's right there. The limit of four per detachment is just for battle forged.

 grendel083 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Is that really a nerf though? It is now unlimited range and each dice you roll for DTW is 5+... Njal is 4+. That seems pretty decent.

Yes but it only applies if they're the target (or one of the targets) of the power.
Doesn't help if your oppoent is casting a Blessing or Conjuration etc...

Okay, have to take your word for it until I get my book. Thanks.

The Necron Special Characters can no longer ride in Command Barges.. if im reading this correctly.

 pretre wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
BA no longer have their own powers. They roll on tables like everyone else. Problem "solved".

Along with SW. No more Jaws.

And Runic weapons nerfed/adjusted to +1 DTW.

Is that really a nerf though? It is now unlimited range and each dice you roll for DTW is 5+... Njal is 4+. That seems pretty decent.

thats why i wrote "nerfed/adjusted". Im quite happy with that change. Couldve been way worse. Im also happy with Jotww and LL gone. They were both strange in their rules (unlimited range and well ... jaws) and apart from one game where i sucked in 3 tyranid MCs with one shot i generally didnt have that good results from jotww anyway. LL on the other hand was one of my favourite spells. But since it had a ~35-40% fail rate in 6th edition i didnt use it that much outside of low point games so i welcome the whole change i think.

 Marius Xerxes wrote:
The Necron Special Characters can no longer ride in Command Barges.. if im reading this correctly.

Correct. At east that will kill the arguments that Anrakyr can use Mind in The Machine from a command barge.

GK and BA Skies of Blood/Shadow Skies now Skies of Fury, and mishap means they die!!

 don_mondo wrote:
GK and BA Skies of Blood/Shadow Skies now Skies of Fury, and mishap means they die!!

didnt they always die in case of a mishap? didnt use stormravens for a while.

*peers at Tyranid FAQ*

So, does this mean Brood Lords get Dominion and a potential 6" Synapse now?

 Marius Xerxes wrote:
The Necron Special Characters can no longer ride in Command Barges.. if im reading this correctly.

That's the same way I'm reading it.

Was this issue a problem???

 Mywik wrote:

 don_mondo wrote:
GK and BA Skies of Blood/Shadow Skies now Skies of Fury, and mishap means they die!!

didnt they always die in case of a mishap? didnt use stormravens for a while.

Nope, only IG had the mishap = dead rule, the others just misshaped normally.

 Idolator wrote:


They are not bound by detachment restrictions at all in unbound. Infinite heralds is allowed in unbound.

"Detachment restrictions" are a very specific set of rules that are included in the FOC chart. See p120 for a definition, and p122 for an example.
Things like:
"Draigo makes Paladins Troops"
"Only 4 Heralds"
and "Honour Guard only when you have a CM"
are NOT Detachment Restrictions. You're misapplying the term.

So I can have 8 Riptides in my list but not 5 Heralds?

I'm liking what I'm reading here. Time to spend some time with those FAQs

No more Jaws? hahahahaha!
No Wings of Sanguinius mean Furiosos won't be charging so easy now

Please dont start that in this thread, you have your own thread to argue about it

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Please dont start that in this thread, you have your own thread to argue about it

His got locked, for the same reason.

Somehow, for him, 'you are allowed four heralds per detachment' is not a detachment restriction. It's best just to not respond to him at this point.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Please dont start that in this thread, you have your own thread to argue about it

No he doesn't, it was locked by the moderator. We can tell him till we're blue in the face, he will never understand that the Unbound list rules essentially use: "Use anything you want."

No inquisition FAQ means no Objective Secured for Inquisition. May as well take them unbound.

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 jasper76 wrote:
Ghost Arks and Doomsday Arks got a buff I think - 4 HP now

Already were in 6th.

One could argue, RAW (and with a big dose of TFG), That since "primary" has been removed from the heralds entry and wasn't replaced with the word "Daemon" you could put heralds into any detachment. Daemon or not.

It's poppycock, but some dude might just do it! Here's how it read now.

"Each detachment in your army may include up to four Heralds...."

yep yep...deleted my comment

Kyutaru wrote:
Unbound list rules essentially use: "Use anything you want."

This is false. Unbound armies must still abide by unit compositions and point values.
There are also some army-specific restrictions in the various codices, eg. Honour Guard, Ghost Knights, Inquisitorial Warbands, Crisis Bodyguards.

Wow, that Farsight faq.

All the instances of "Farsight Army" and "Your Army" are now "Farsight Detachment". Buff Command and Shadowsun for Farsight.

The Talisman of Arthas Moloch is amazing. +4 dice for DTW and everyone get a 4+ to DTW within 12"? I was right to call Farsight the anti-psykers for Tau.