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 Happyjew wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 lobbywatson wrote:
They should just hire the people from dakka. I mean obviously most of them run multi-million dollar businesses and know what to do....

What an utterly facile thing to say, and so unexpected, nobody has ever said anything similar before!!

For the record, though I have no desire to get I to a pissing contest with anyone, I hold qualifications in Business and Economics, I have been a senior manager in a company only slightly smaller than GW and I have run my own company that had turnover in the hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Am I allowed to comment now?

Not claiming BS, but the problem with an anonymous forum is that anyone can claim anything. An 80 year old man can pretend to be a 16 year old girl, and a not-nosed ten year old can pretend to have a degree in Quantum Physics.

Why is it always Quantum Physics?

No, granted, but if you were to take the time to read back through my post history, I think you'd find enough references to these facts that you'd have to conclude it was either the truth, or I am at least very committed to my role!

 azreal13 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 lobbywatson wrote:
They should just hire the people from dakka. I mean obviously most of them run multi-million dollar businesses and know what to do....

What an utterly facile thing to say, and so unexpected, nobody has ever said anything similar before!!

For the record, though I have no desire to get I to a pissing contest with anyone, I hold qualifications in Business and Economics, I have been a senior manager in a company only slightly smaller than GW and I have run my own company that had turnover in the hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Am I allowed to comment now?

Not claiming BS, but the problem with an anonymous forum is that anyone can claim anything. An 80 year old man can pretend to be a 16 year old girl, and a not-nosed ten year old can pretend to have a degree in Quantum Physics.

Why is it always Quantum Physics?

No, granted, but if you were to take the time to read back through my post history, I think you'd find enough references to these facts that you'd have to conclude it was either the truth, or I am at least very committed to my role!

I find the latter idea to be far too entertaining

 ironicsilence wrote:
GW's business model for the last few years has been all about short term gains. They dont concern themselves with long term growth whatsoever. Its very much a company thats focused on getting from one financial report / dividend to the next

This.

The strategy of, "We're losing customers, so let's just jack up prices to make up the difference" is not sustainable long-term. Eventually people will have to make a choice between a Dreadnought and a Lambo. 9 / 10 will probably choose the Lambo.

 azreal13 wrote:
No, granted, but if you were to take the time to read back through my post history, I think you'd find enough references to these facts that you'd have to conclude it was either the truth, or I am at least very committed to my role!

You'd be surprised the depths some people have taken. Like I said, I'm not accusing you of lying. Whether you've run 1 company or hundreds makes no difference to me. I just happened to single you out as it has been a long while since somebody has made any sort of claim as to what they do for a living. Generally people just post their win-loss ratio. I'm just pointing out that (true or not) claiming you have some sort of experience or knowledge, is not something that is verifiable online, and there will be people who disregard it as an appeal to authority.

 Happyjew wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
No, granted, but if you were to take the time to read back through my post history, I think you'd find enough references to these facts that you'd have to conclude it was either the truth, or I am at least very committed to my role!

You'd be surprised the depths some people have taken. Like I said, I'm not accusing you of lying. Whether you've run 1 company or hundreds makes no difference to me. I just happened to single you out as it has been a long while since somebody has made any sort of claim as to what they do for a living. Generally people just post their win-loss ratio. I'm just pointing out that (true or not) claiming you have some sort of experience or knowledge, is not something that is verifiable online, and there will be people who disregard it as an appeal to authority.

While many others will see their opinions validated.

 Happyjew wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 lobbywatson wrote:
They should just hire the people from dakka. I mean obviously most of them run multi-million dollar businesses and know what to do....

What an utterly facile thing to say, and so unexpected, nobody has ever said anything similar before!!

For the record, though I have no desire to get I to a pissing contest with anyone, I hold qualifications in Business and Economics, I have been a senior manager in a company only slightly smaller than GW and I have run my own company that had turnover in the hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Am I allowed to comment now?

Not claiming BS, but the problem with an anonymous forum is that anyone can claim anything. An 80 year old man can pretend to be a 16 year old girl, and a not-nosed ten year old can pretend to have a degree in Quantum Physics.

Why is it always Quantum Physics?

That is why I say things that can be verified by reference to independent objectively sourced fact.

The title of the thread is "Just how desperate are GW". Until a person who verifiably works for the company comes forwards and tells us. We simply don't know. So all of these guesses are just that guesses and contribute zero to the hobby/game. Just haters doing what they do. Hate.
Frankly they had a far worse stock drop about 10 years ago. Gee weird they survived.... Quit hoping they fail thats utterly pointless. Because thats really what every 13th thread here is about. How GW crapped the bed/going out of business/worst company ever/raped my horse/ whatever.
I take full responsibility I should have known better then to open thus thread. I'm an idiot.

 lobbywatson wrote:
The title of the thread is "Just how desperate are GW". Until a person who verifiably works for the company comes forwards and tells us. We simply don't know. So all of these guesses are just that guesses and contribute zero to the hobby/game. Just haters doing what they do. Hate.
Frankly they had a far worse stock drop about 10 years ago. Gee weird they survived.... Quit hoping they fail thats utterly pointless. Because thats really what every 13th thread here is about. How GW crapped the bed/going out of business/worst company ever/raped my horse/ whatever.
I take full responsibility I should have known better then to open thus thread. I'm an idiot.

speculation
ˌspɛkjʊˈleɪʃn/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
"there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit"
synonyms: conjecture, theorizing, hypothesizing, supposition, guesswork;

Surely it is obvious that the thread asks people to give their opinions and that is what people have done.

I think frankly it is ridiculous to complain that no-one has inside knowledge of GW's accounts. In any case that will be revealed soon enough according to law.

Games Workshop may be going through a period of careful steering after the horrid slump in January. As to whether or not they are desperate though?


Well, I've not seen any of the game designers stood on street corners trying to sell clingfilm wrapped bitz or offering me a good time in a hotel room - so it can't be that bad.

Well, GW seems to be on a consolidation move to reduce expenses and optimize profits. This a quite natural for a company that needs to please their shareholders.

However, what worries is that GW is not finding a way to get new players into the games. Its not only the prices, its also the rule book of 200 pages which are hard to master for a beginner.

Here PP makes a much better job.

 Happyjew wrote:
Why is it always Quantum Physics?

Cause, as I can attest as a physics student, Quantum physics is fething hard...

 Galorian wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Why is it always Quantum Physics?

Cause, as I can attest as a physics student, Quantum physics is fething hard...

Or is it?

Until you open the textbook, you can't know for sure!

 azreal13 wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Why is it always Quantum Physics?

Cause, as I can attest as a physics student, Quantum physics is fething hard...

Or is it?

Until you open the textbook, you can't know for sure!

As we learned fairly early in the course, there are systems where a specific state is 100% probable.

The % of profit has been in a slow steady decline.

GW has consolidated HQs, cut costs to the bone, increased their release rate, and raised prices.

Despite being profitable their share price did drop because their profit has not been as great as it once was.

In response they did very little to increase sales or move volume. Mostly cost cutting measures.

At this point about the only thing left for them to do is start closing their storefronts and getting rid of more HQ people.

I predict they will still make money in the upcoming financial report they just will not have made as much money as previously.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Why is it always Quantum Physics?

Cause, as I can attest as a physics student, Quantum physics is fething hard...

Or is it?

Until you open the textbook, you can't know for sure!

Really, are we going the Schrodinger route here? Schrodinger's Quantum Physics Function - Quantum Physics is both easy and fething hard until you open the book?

 lobbywatson wrote:
The title of the thread is "Just how desperate are GW". Until a person who verifiably works for the company comes forwards and tells us. We simply don't know. So all of these guesses are just that guesses and contribute zero to the hobby/game. Just haters doing what they do. Hate.
Frankly they had a far worse stock drop about 10 years ago. Gee weird they survived.... Quit hoping they fail thats utterly pointless. Because thats really what every 13th thread here is about. How GW crapped the bed/going out of business/worst company ever/raped my horse/ whatever.
I take full responsibility I should have known better then to open thus thread. I'm an idiot.

So *you're* the dastardly horse-raper!

 Happyjew wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 lobbywatson wrote:
They should just hire the people from dakka. I mean obviously most of them run multi-million dollar businesses and know what to do....

What an utterly facile thing to say, and so unexpected, nobody has ever said anything similar before!!

For the record, though I have no desire to get I to a pissing contest with anyone, I hold qualifications in Business and Economics, I have been a senior manager in a company only slightly smaller than GW and I have run my own company that had turnover in the hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Am I allowed to comment now?

Not claiming BS, but the problem with an anonymous forum is that anyone can claim anything. An 80 year old man can pretend to be a 16 year old girl, and a not-nosed ten year old can pretend to have a degree in Quantum Physics.

Why is it always Quantum Physics?

Good luck trying to pretend to have a degree in Quantum Physics. If the internet has shown an ability to do anything it is its ability to debunk false claims.

Personally I think the following is the best example of BSer, I've read:

You cite expertise as a factor in this anallissis. I am an expert in WSA. In 1986, I was paid 6,650 per month in salery and more in bennies and other compensation for that skill. While your arguments are very good and enlightening, I saw nothing that could change this and several points that might be flawed.
I will read more before I am prepaired to argue them though and hope that you will consider my points before then. I also appologise for my grammar and spelling. One half of my brain has a 185 point IQ, while the other resembles "Forest Gump" and they are disconected by one of the origional casses of Dyslexia on record. ( I would sincerely appreciate a spell checker for this feedback device.)

As an expert, (will send witnessed targets if you wish) Any hand weapon that is limeted to 30m is shear folly. I once won a $100 bet with the Chief of Police from Taif, KSA that I could hit a 14" gong, 200m away, with a .22 pistol before any of his mewn could do the same with their rifles. The kind of training that the "dust buster" implies would make those kinds of ranges possable to almost any person with a decent side arm. As proof I will train you if you will pay for the ammo and range rental.

This brings up my favorite peev about the light saber. Kool it certainly is but as a weapon it is a dud that is too dumb for words. "Less random than a blaster" implies that blasters must be terribly inaccurate, as I have made head shots under opperational pressure at ranges exceeding 60m and one at 109m. In all of those engagements I never had to shoot twice!

PS I studied Kendo while in Japan and Ethiopia, so I know a little bit about sword work too. (Not much as I got bored with all the rote exercises and quit after only a year and a half but enough to know that nothing I've seen in the movies is that good without wire work.) PPS My reflexes and strength alowed me to beat my origional Japanise instructor more than he beat me after the first two months in class. 60 pounds, 0.13 second reflexes and a 228 bench press will do that for you.

Seems legit.

Oh, and yes, I'm totally Scrodering the thread.

Like the Austro-Hungarian Empire or the French Third Republic, Games Workshop is the paper tiger that surprises the world by its mere survival to the next year.

GW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY

That is the only explanation that really makes sense.

...Is this what it's like to watch a company die?

Also, why am I smiling right now?

 Pouncey wrote:
...Is this what it's like to watch a company die?

Also, why am I smiling right now?

Its enthralling, like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

 lobbywatson wrote:
They should just hire the people from dakka. I mean obviously most of them run multi-million dollar businesses and know what to do....

If that was the only requirement, I could do it; I manage several million dollars per year in funds and a hundred or so employees.

Sadly, GW's financials are a hundred million and thousands of employees; not to mention a worldwide operation.

My realization that I do not currently have the knowledge or experience to run a company that large does not prohibit me from recognizing the completely asinine decisions that GW's management seems to make a habit of committing.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Why is it always Quantum Physics?

Cause, as I can attest as a physics student, Quantum physics is fething hard...

Or is it?

Until you open the textbook, you can't know for sure!

Until you open the textbook, Quantum Physics is simultaneously both fethin' hard and not fethin' hard.

Valete,

JohnS

 cygnnus wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Why is it always Quantum Physics?

Cause, as I can attest as a physics student, Quantum physics is fething hard...

Or is it?

Until you open the textbook, you can't know for sure!

Until you open the textbook, Quantum Physics is simultaneously both fethin' hard and not fethin' hard.

Valete,

JohnS

It depends which generation of Star Trek you're watching.....

The people at Dakka, Bolter and Chainsword, Heresy Online, Warseer, the various race specific forums, BolS, and /tg/ would be able to make a much better and more balanced game where each faction felt powerful, fluffy, and variable and there would at least be an attempt to keep each unit viable.

And ultimately, a system free of pay to win disease is a more viable long term system that attracts more new consumers and appeals to old ones. Furthermore, GW also seems to have no concept of the importance of marketing to a business. World of Tanks got big partially because it plastered it's advertisements on every corner of the internet. Evony and the other, even more misogynistically advertised Evony copycats became infamous for doing the same (with boob girls who were never actually in the game). That nobody in GW ever tried doing the same is nothing short of amazing.

We would probably go for a living ruleset however.

 Kain wrote:
The people at Dakka, Bolter and Chainsword, Heresy Online, Warseer, the various race specific forums, BolS, and /tg/ would be able to make a much better and more balanced game where each faction felt powerful, fluffy, and variable and there would at least be an attempt to keep each unit viable.

And ultimately, a system free of pay to win disease is a more viable long term system that attracts more new consumers and appeals to old ones. Furthermore, GW also seems to have no concept of the importance of marketing to a business. World of Tanks got big partially because it plastered it's advertisements on every corner of the internet. Evony and the other, even more misogynistically advertised Evony copycats became infamous for doing the same (with boob girls who were never actually in the game). That nobody in GW ever tried doing the same is nothing short of amazing.

We would probably go for a living ruleset however.

Hell many of us would screw up but, in the end, I feel most of us would end up listening and faqing.

 lobbywatson wrote:
They should just hire the people from dakka. I mean obviously most of them run multi-million dollar businesses and know what to do....

Well it did work for George Lucas and Star Wars, i dont see why it would not work here.