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Well I am still wrapping my head around 7th...here's something I doodled down today...

HQ: Winged Assassin, Hive 240

Troops: Warrior Brood: x3, x2 Deathspitters, Cannon 110
Troops: as above 110

Skyblight Formation: 915

Winged Dakka'rant , Hive 240

Harpy, Salvo 145
Harpy, Salvo 145
Crone 155

Gargoyles x10, Toxic 80
Gargoyles, x10, Toxic 80
Gargoyles, x10, Toxic 80 I just checked my Codex, Toxic is only +2 for Garg... so there is 30 points unspent..

That runs 460+915= 1375

Add 1 Zoey, 1 Veno....1470 even (with 30 more to spend)

At higher point levels I'm thinking...

HQ: Deathleaper 130?

Troops: Ripper Swarm: x3 39 (possibly upgrade the swarms, or just buy better Troops?)
Troops: as above 39

Total 1678, then buy a Zoey 1728. 22 points to spend.1850? Buy 2 More Zoeys.

The base list has 5 Objective secured, 5 Synapse, and a Veno. 5 FMCs.... ( 6WC+D6)

At 1750 it adds 2 more objective secured, and Deathleaper. Plus it adds a second Zoey for Psycher tricks.... at 1850 it adds 2 more Zoeys, turning the list into a decent Psycher force... (12 WC +D6)

Now that Blind needs a Wound, Toxic seems like a justifiiable upgrade...What do you'all think?

Edited because of math error.

I'd drop the toxin on the gargoyles and maybe combine them into 2 15 gargoyle units, they die quick. What do you have on your hive tyrants?

buckero0 wrote:
I'd drop the toxin on the gargoyles and maybe combine them into 2 15 gargoyle units, they die quick. What do you have on your hive tyrants?

Skyblight requires 3 Broods of Gargoyles, its almost a feature that they die easy. Because Skyblight brings them back, just as they were, on a 4+ when they die.

The Toxin is there to help inflict a wound or two, so the Blinding venom can gain rolls. Its because of the return effect that the toxin seems like a good purchase.

Winged Assassin: Wings, Lash whip, Bone Sword, Toxin sack. + Thorax Hive (Electro-bugs)

Winged Dakka'rant: Wings, TL Brain Leeches x2, + Thorax Hive (Electro-bugs)

I thought I'd toss this in here as well....

"Psycho Swarm" (This is a double FOC "Battleforged") (Twin CAD)

Winged Dakka'rant, Thorax hive 240
Winged Assassin, or Dakka'rant, Thorax Hive 240

Troops: Ripper Swarm: x3 39
Troops: as above
Troops: as above
Troops: as above

Elites: 6 Zoey Broods, all "solo" (16WC+D6)

that runs around 936 points?

Tyrant Node Formation: 415
Tyrant, LW/BS, Toxic, HVC, Thorax Hive 220? (18WC+D6 )
Tyrant guard: x3 150
Venothrope Brood: solo 45

That adds to 1351 or so.... I don't know what to add to it, most anything looks good. Me? I would like to double out 3 of the Zoey Broods for durability, and increased weight of fire with Warp Blast/Lance...that would get to 1500 if you can scrape a point off someplace... (If nowhere else drop the HVC to Stranglethorn )

Late entry: The Formation is just an example, heck, you could add the Skyblight from above just as easy..

So...."Psycho-Skyblight"

"Psycho CAD"

HQ: Winged Assassin, Hive 240
HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Hive 240

Troops; Ripper Swarm: x3 39
Troops: as above 39
Troops: as above 39
Troops: as above 39

Elite(s) 6 Broods of Zoeys, all "solos" 300

Total cost 928...?

Sky Blight: 905

Winged Dakka'rant , Hive 240

Harpy 135
Harpy 135

Hive Crone 155

Gargoyles, x 10, Toxic 80
Gargoyles, x 10, Toxic 80
Gargoyles, x10, Toxic 80

Total cost: 905+928 = 1833 so 17 points unspent. It might just be me...but this looks like a heck of a challenge to face .. What do you'all think?

Late entry: Hmmm... 6 FMCs, 7 Objective secured (3 "returning") and 18WC+D6 Heck, I need to buy 3 more Zoeys oh and 9 sources of Synapse

It would require a hell of a lot of AA to take down enough FMC before they get to you. I'd say pretty tough.

So a few suggestions and a couple questions. First off, for 6 points per brood, you can make those Rippers able to deep strike, which will help in Maelstrom missions. Just a thought. With the changes to FMCs and how they assault, the Harpy (IMO) loses quite a bit of effectiveness. Unless you plan on gliding in then expect them to get shot up pretty quick. I agree on keeping the Toxin Sacs on the Gargs. It makes them a threat to many more things. The Heavy Venom Cannon reverted to being as awful as under the old codex with the vehicle damage changes. Personally I've run only STCs in 7th with great effect because of pinning removing overwatch.

My question centers on the Assassin variant of the Flyrant. With the changes to assaulting after switching modes and smash, do you find that this setup is still useful? I ask because I used to run it a lot along side a Dakka Flyrant with good effect, but the games I've played under 7th, staying in the air and laying waste to units via both Egrubs and Devourers has been much better for me. In fact, the only time a Flyrant has died has been when I land to start melee bashing.

All in all looks like a pain to deal with as even our "weaker" fliers are really hard to down once they get into the air.

Cheers!

 djm55 wrote:
So a few suggestions and a couple questions. First off, for 6 points per brood, you can make those Rippers able to deep strike, which will help in Maelstrom missions. Just a thought. With the changes to FMCs and how they assault, the Harpy (IMO) loses quite a bit of effectiveness. Unless you plan on gliding in then expect them to get shot up pretty quick. I agree on keeping the Toxin Sacs on the Gargs. It makes them a threat to many more things. The Heavy Venom Cannon reverted to being as awful as under the old codex with the vehicle damage changes. Personally I've run only STCs in 7th with great effect because of pinning removing overwatch.

My question centers on the Assassin variant of the Flyrant. With the changes to assaulting after switching modes and smash, do you find that this setup is still useful? I ask because I used to run it a lot along side a Dakka Flyrant with good effect, but the games I've played under 7th, staying in the air and laying waste to units via both Egrubs and Devourers has been much better for me. In fact, the only time a Flyrant has died has been when I land to start melee bashing.

All in all looks like a pain to deal with as even our "weaker" fliers are really hard to down once they get into the air.

Cheers!

Well, it still has 17 points unspent. And I do like the idea of tunneling Rippers. I don't know yet if the Winged Assassin is still a good build.

I usually use her to finish off tarpitted units, or pick off lonely IC's (Classic "assassin" missions) When I have points I modeled it to also be able to have one set of TL: Brain Leeches for +15 points. But I seldom have the points laying around. (That would run me 255 in total) My main purpose in running one is enemy MC's...Riptides, Wraith Knights, "confused" Hive Fleets. The main benefit I see with the BS/LW is convincing CC IC's to keep their distance. So I can shoot them.

I expect the "Psycho" part of the build to be the "stinger". I should be able to toss off buckets of Hive Mind Powers! So at the very least I can depend on FNPs, or other enhancements helping out.

(18WC's ! at the very least I should dominate the psych phase vs most, and be able to deny the heck out of Demon Factorys )

Late entry: One tactic I forsee is charging the Harpy along side the Gargoyles, -5 Init should mean that the Gargoyles get to inflict wounds with Poison, then (hopefully) Blind. Not an "epic" win, but a win.

P.P.S. Note that I build the Assassin for the same points as a Dakka'rant. So if you don't like the build, you can swap it without effort.

Well, I was doodle down lists this morning at breakfast, and this one came out so perfectly, I felt it was Fate.

"Endless Psycho Tunnels!"

HQ: Winged Assassin/Dakka'rant, Hive 240
HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Hive 240

Troop: Tunneling Ripper Swarm, x3 45(?)
Troop: as above
Troop: as above
Troop: as above

Elite: Zoey Brood, x6 all "solo"
Heavy: Trygon 190

That comes to...1150?

"Endless Swarm" Formation: 700
Warrior Brood: x3, Cannon 100
Hormigaunt Brood: x15, Toxic; x3 360
Termigant/Spinegaunt, x10 +5 Devilgaunts; x3 240

1150+700 = 1850 Its fate I tells ya!

9 Synapse,10 Troops (6 "returning", 4 Tunneling) 3 MCs (2 FMC), 16WC(+d6) Not too shabby. I'm guessing you'd want to reserve some of the Zoeys (they can use Tunnel assault as "jump infantry") Some maybe you can pop out of the Tunnel, and Warp Lance a nearby Tank.

Just for the sake of completness...


"Psycho Artillery!" (Twin CAD)

HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Hive 240
HQ: as above 240

Troops: Ripper Swarm, x3 39
Troops: as above
Troops: as above
Troops: as above

Elites: Zoey Broods (all solo) x6 300

Total 936?

Living Artillery Formation: 390
Warrior Brood: x3, Venom Cannon
Biovore Brood: x3 120
Exocrene 170

Add two Mawlocs to the Heavy slots above. 280 points

That totals 1606, add 44 for 1650. add 100 for 1750. 144 is 1 pts shy of a Harpy, with Salvo.....

I'd be real tempted to double out the Zoeys, and call it single CAD Battle forged.

And just as an FYI, you can run the Skyblight by itself for amusing Battleforged Goodness. It is legal formation that does not require you run anything else. So no CAD take and you still get OS gargoyles, giving you 460 points make out the gargoyle broods with or maybe pick up a Living Artillery node with.

barnowl wrote:
And just as an FYI, you can run the Skyblight by itself for amusing Battleforged Goodness. It is legal formation that does not require you run anything else. So no CAD take and you still get OS gargoyles, giving you 460 points make out the gargoyle broods with or maybe pick up a Living Artillery node with.

Cool! I really haven't given much thought to "Unbound" lists so far...maybe I should. I've been mostly wanting to add OS Gargoyles to OS Battleforged Troops....

This PM, while I was waiting for the pain meds to kick in...I decided to try putting Genestealers in a list without laughing/crying...

I forgot a name: "Psycho Hunters!"

HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Hive 240
HQ: Winged Dakka'rant/ Assassin, Hive 240

Troops: Spinegaunts, x20 80
Troops: as above 80
Troops: as above 80
Troops: as above 80

Elites: Zoey Broods, x6 all solos 300

Total = 1100?

Broodlord Hunting Pack Formation: 354

Stealer Brood, x7, Broodlord 158
Stealer Brood: x7 98
Stealer Brood, x7 98

Special rules, enhanced infiltration, Prefered enemy of choice.

1100+354= 1454 46 to hit 1500, I'd drop 2 Zoeys, one Gaunt, and grab a Dakkafex myself.
1650? More Carnifex!
1750...see above etc... (I suppose that losing one Zoey is "OK" )

I supose you could toss in 10 Devilgaunts, and a Tervigon (with Thorax Hive) for 285. base cost 1354+285= 1639 spend 11 to hit 1650, then Dakkafexen the rest of the way!

I just don't see this list being "better" (or even "as good" ) as the others above, but it might just be the most fun..

edited for math errors.

Today at Breakfast, I gave the "Stealer question" ( ) some more thought...

"Psycho Stealer" ( )

HQ: Winged Dakka'rant/Assassin, Hive 240
HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Hive 240

Troops: Genestaelers, x 10 170 This should have been 14 x 10...I guess I added in for Toxin sacks... save 30 if you don't want them...
Troops: Genestealers, x10 170 as above...
Troops: Spinegaunts, x20 80
Troops: Spinegaunts, x20 80

THat runs 980, toss in Hive Commander...1000 on the nose. This has the option of Outflanking both Stealer Broods, and a Spinegaunt Brood, Leaving a sizable Brood of Troops, and two FMCs on the table. A very formidable challenge.

Going to 1250 has a couple of interesting options...
1) Tyranofex, Adrenal, Thorax Hive, and a Zoey 1250 even this is my "go to" build, and it's a good one.
2) Two Broods of x2 Zoeys, and a Veno, toss in an extra Spinegaunt, 1249. If you go x2 CAD, you can solo out the Zoeys for 4 extra WC (+50%) This also looks like a doable thing, and fits the "theme" of the above lists.

1500? option 1, add a Dakkafex,and two zoeys 1250+150+100= 1500. (pain pills make math hard. )
OPtion 2? Lose a Zoey, add two Dakkafex?

Or (option 3) add the Tyranofex, and a Zoey, and a Veno. That fills all 6 Elite slots, and gives two Venos, and 5 Zoeys. This also looks like a promising build. If you don't x2 CAD, it gives all three slots doubled out "Thropes, for good durability.

1650? Add a Dakkafex, there is always room for a Fex! Option 1 will be short of Synapse, but the threat overlod should make Synapse Hunting a poor choice. Option 2 looks even better than before.

If you own a Tervigon, you can add one in by tossing in say +10 Devilgaunts (80) and a Terv, Hive (205) it should be easy to make room for 285 pts, you can just trim a little (maybe drop one Brood of Stealers for a start)

This list uses figures I own, as I've built them, but it should be easy to modify.

I used the wrong value for the Stealers...

How do you feel about running one of the genestealer formations in that final list?

omerakk wrote:
How do you feel about running one of the genestealer formations in that final list?

I think you could make the Broodlord Hunting party work, the manafactorium needs the right terrain to work.... You might find that you have too many Staelers in one basket though....

I like to build to 1000, then adding in a Formation, then tailoring the rest to fit....so say 1250?, plus around 354 for the Hunting Pack(s) around 1600 plus some change, that should make a perfectly playable list. But swarms of Stealers are kinda helpless vs Heavy Armor. So you might want to take a Formation+ support, that can help out with that ....


Late entry, Hmmm... build to 1000, add Hunting Pack (354 or so...) and twin Mawlocs... 1354+ 280= 1634 spend 16 on upgrade(s), drop one Gaunt, and you can put Toxic on both Mawlocs...? Or pop Adrenal on one?(drop a Stealer, add Adrenal to the other...) That could be a fun list that can win games...

Notes: "Hunting Pack" Genstealers x7, Broodlord 158, Genestealer Brood, x7 98 (x2) special rules; enhanced infiltrate, Prefered enemy of choice.

Once again I am pondering my "base list" I am currently spending a portion of each disability check on "something frivolous" and I was thinking about buying the parts to make a "Living Artillery"...an Exocrene, and three Biovores. It should be a fun project, and when I'm done, I'll have more options for my Hive.

"Thunder Hive"

HQ: Winged Assassin, Hive 240
HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Hive 240

Elite: Zoey, x2 100
Elite: Venothrope, x2 90

Troops: Warrior Brood, x3, Strangle Cannon 100
Troops: Warrior Brood, x3, Strangle Cannon 100

Heavy: Mawloc 140
Heavy: Mawloc 140
Heavy: Tyranofex, Adrenal, Thorax Hive 200

Total 1350

"Living Artillery" 400
Warrior Brood, x3, x2 Deathspitters, Venom Cannon 110
Biovore Brood, x3 120
Exocrene 170

Total 1750

I'm not sure what to do about 1850... Two more Zoeys? Or Lictors, x2 ? I'm leaning towards Lictors...but I'd have to buy those as well!

I'm back to trying to make Stealers work, I found a math error in a post above...I guess I'm so used to tossing Toxic on Stealers I did it without thinking...

HQ: Winged Tyrant, Hive 240
HQ: Winged Tyrant, Hive 240

Elite: Zoey, x2 100
Elite: Veno Brood, x2 90
Elite: Zoey, solo...or Lictor ?

Troops: Genestealers, x 10 140
Troops: Genestealers, x10 140
Troops: Spinegaunts, x20 80
Troops: Spinegaunts, x20 80
Troops: Warrior Brood, x3, x2 Deathspitters, Strangle Cannon 110

Heavy: Tyranofex,Adrenal, Thorax Hive (Electro bugs) 200
Heavy: Mawloc 140
Heavy: Mawloc 140

I think that runs to 1750...it "feels" a little light on AA though...

Still noodling on this...if I trim 2 Stealers off each Brood, 1 can add a Hive Crone and hit 1850 (1849?) Is a solo Crone a worthwile purchase?