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I wanted to make a SUPAR BALANCED LIST , also, I just want to let you know that the board I play on is way too small, so I can't take a Heldrake, and that my opponents don't field flyers. So, whaddayathink?

HQ ---- Sorcerer: 2x Additional Master Levels, Bike, Mark of Slaanesh, Spell Familiar, Burning Brand of Skalanthrax, The Murder Sword. 225 PT's.

Elites ---- Noise Marines: 8x Noise Marine with Sonic Blaster, 1x Noise Marine with Blastmaster, 9x CCW, Icon of Excess, Chaos rhino with Dozer Blade and Havoc Launcher. 325 PT's

Troops ---- Chaos Cultists. 50 PT's.

Troops ---- Chaos Cultists. 50 PT's.

Troops ---- Chaos Space Marines: 9x Chaos Space Marines + Champ, x2 Meltagun, Mark of Nurgle, Chaos Rhino with Dozer Blade and Havoc Launcher. 242 PT's.

Fast Attack ---- 2x Meltagun, Mark of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess, Power Weapon for Champ. 146 PT's

Fast Attack ---- 2x Meltagun, Mark of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess. 131 PT's.

Heavy Support ---- Defiler. 195 PT's.

Heavy Support ---- Havocs, 4x Missile Launcher. 135 PT's.

1499 PT's.

Strategy: Sorcerer joins up with the bikers, they then tankbust/MC hunt and get into CC. Chaos Cultists score/tarpit, while Chaos Space Marines clear out the objectives.
Defiler takes occupied/contested objectives while bombarding enemies with his battle cannon and toasting light enemies with his heavy flamer. The havocs tankbust/anti tarpit.

Any thoughts?

Don't take defilers. Not really worth the points with only av 12.

Murdersword also not worth it. If you want a special weapon take the black mace.

Chaos bikers should take marks of nurgle to get tough 6.

Epartalis wrote:
Don't take defilers. Not really worth the points with only av 12.

Murdersword also not worth it. If you want a special weapon take the black mace.

Chaos bikers should take marks of nurgle to get tough 6.

Thanks for the advice, but mathhammer wise, the chaos bikers are more survivable with T5 and FnP since as well that you're more likely to make your saves/survive with a 3+ and a 5+ Fnp, or against high ap weaponry with a cover save and FnP.
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BEHOLD! THE NEW SUPAR BALANCED LIST!!!
BALANCED LIST!!! (1500pts)
HQ ---- (195pts)
Sorcerer.
2x Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Mark of Slaanesh, Melta bombs, Spell familiar,
Burning Brand of Skalanthrax, Force Weapon.

Elites ---- (377pts)
Noise Marines.
9x Extra CCW, Icon of Excess, 2x Noise Marine w/ Blastmaster, 7x Noise Marine w/ Sonic Blaster
Chaos Rhino, Dirge caster, Dozer Blade, Havoc Launcher. Champ Upgrades, Doom Siren, Melta Bombs.

Troops (349pts)

Chaos Cultists (50pts)

Chaos Cultists (50pts)

Chaos Space Marines (249pts)
9x Chaos Space Marine, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun , Meltagun, Take a CCW.
Chaos Rhino,
Dirge caster, Dozer Blade, Havoc Launcher.

Fast Attack ---- (292pts)
Chaos Bikers (146pts)
2x Chaos Bike, Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 2x Meltagun. Champ Upgrades, Power Weapon.

Chaos Bikers (146pts)
2x Chaos Biker, Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 2x Meltagun. Champ Upgrades, Power Weapon.

Heavy Support ---- Havocs. (135)
4x Missile Launcher.

Obliterators: (152)
Mark of Nurgle, 2x Obliterator.

If I'm remembering the codex right your sorc has no inv save so 200 points seems like alot

warren0110 wrote:
If I'm remembering the codex right your sorc has no inv save so 200 points seems like alot

Well the bike gives him cover saves against AP 3/2/1 weaponry. I'm also trying a way of list building where every slot of the FOC roughly has
the same amount of points.

Icon of excess is fine for bikes, the main problem is if you lose it to something. At 3 bikes, each squad is too small to justify taking it. I would combine your bikes to have a bigger squad, saving on a second icon, the other meltas and champ. This can get your sorcerer an invul and some other stuff for your list.

Thank you for the advice!

I see you already changed it but you can't take the Murder Sword and the BBSkal with the way it's worded in the codex, unless it was FAQ'd.

But what do you think that 'other stuff' should be.

Daemonic possession on the vehicles is a great choice now as with vehicles harder to kill ignoring most of the table is just fun.

What powers you planning for the sorcerer?

katana100 wrote:
Daemonic possession on the vehicles is a great choice now as with vehicles harder to kill ignoring most of the table is just fun.

What powers you planning for the sorcerer?

For daemonic possesion, i'm just really don't want the rhinos to eat my MeQ's, but ignoring crew stunned/shaken would really help.

For the sorcerer, i'm going for biomancy or telepathy due to the fact that they can buff already tough units or make enemies easier to take on in close combat, (T8 S7+Power Maul for S9 AP2 on the sorcerer anyone?)










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Does anyone think that a predator/vindicator w/ daemonic possession would be useful?

Vindicator works reallt well with it vut always good to take two ive found as one dies horribly

Ok, thanks for the help.

Your updated list is going the right direction, but your bike squads are too small. I run a 6-man with MoS and Icon of Excess which works out great together with a bike sorcerer or lord. So I'd put your two squads into one, saving the points of one Icon.

Also, Noise marines work well with sonic blasters and blastmaster (awesome!). But sonic blasters and rhinos don't match, as when you disembark salvo weapons only shoot 2 rounds at half range, meaning they are exactly the same as a boltgun. So either sonic blasters + blastmaster on foot, or blastmaster+doom siren + rhino (shoot the BM out of the fire point).

As stated earlier, give the murder sword a miss.

As a none Chaos player i can give some advise on what i would be scared of. Cultists you should use as a sly objective sitter (since their easy to kill i would never put them on the frontline). The havoc squad are to easy to kill, beef up that heavy support with a land raider. Keep your noise marines protected also, those things scare the feth out of any Tau/AM player so make sure they don't die!

Other than that try and invest in a Hldrake, you can never go wrong with them or a demon prince due to the vector strike rule.