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Can we fake one and pretend we lost contact with it while aimed at Iraq/Iran
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Iraq has no combat capable aircraft or rotary wing attack bird? Lack of Aviation Fuel?
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djones520 wrote: Iraq has attack helicopters, but no fixed wing as of yet. We're scheduled to deliver 2 F-16's there this fall.
Wonder who be there to receive them
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djones520 wrote: Iraq has attack helicopters, but no fixed wing as of yet. We're scheduled to deliver 2 F-16's there this fall.
They actually do have, I gak you not, some Cessnas with bolted on Hellfires.
This, this is amazing.
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Surface to Air Missile
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Tony Blair: 'We didn't cause Iraq crisis' Tony Blair: "Don't believe washing our hands of it and walking away will solve the problem"
The 2003 invasion of Iraq is not to blame for the violent insurgency now gripping the country, former UK prime minister Tony Blair has said.
Speaking to the BBC's Andrew Marr, he said there would still be a "major problem" in the country even without the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003.
He insisted the current crisis was a "regional" issue that "affects us all".
Critics have rejected the comments as "bizarre" with one accusing Mr Blair of "washing his hands of responsibility".
"Even if you'd left Saddam in place in 2003, then when 2011 happened - and you had the Arab revolutions going through Tunisia and Libya and Yemen and Bahrain and Egypt and Syria - you would have still had a major problem in Iraq," Mr Blair said.
"Indeed, you can see what happens when you leave the dictator in place, as has happened with Assad now. The problems don't go away.
"So, one of the things I'm trying to say is - you know, we can rerun the debates about 2003 - and there are perfectly legitimate points on either side - but where we are now in 2014, we have to understand this is a regional problem, but it's a problem that will affect us."
Michael Stephens, an expert on Iraq and Syria for the Royal United Services Institute,
said the Iraq War had "a lot to play - a part in this sort of fragmentation of Iraq
Sir Christopher Meyer, Britain's ambassador to the US from 1997 to 2003, said the handling of the campaign against Saddam Hussein was "perhaps the most significant reason" for the sectarian violence now gripping Iraq.
"We are reaping what we sowed in 2003. This is not hindsight. We knew in the run-up to war that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein would seriously destabilise Iraq after 24 years of his iron rule," he said in the Mail on Sunday.
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I've a very strong feeling that the Iraqi Army has probably been infiltrated at this point.
But they, ISIS, are having issues
MOSUL, Iraq — Just days after the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) seized control of Iraq’s northern cities of Mosul and Tikrit, the group’s lightning offensive has reportedly ground to a halt after ISIS unsuccessfully attempted to use dozens of captured U.S. M1114 Humvees.
“We were considerably more mobile with Toyota Technicals,” complained ISIS cell leader Ibrahim ibn Abdullah ibn Sabah Al-Rahman. “But once we captured these unreliable monstrosities, our leadership started worrying about our safety.”
“Now we can’t even leave our base without at least four up-armored Humvees and an RPG team, plus we have to have three ground guides with reflective belts every time we are backing out of our parking spot,” Al-Rahman said as he angrily gestured towards a dilapidated Humvee. “And don’t get me started on all the protective gear we have to wear. Even the suicide bombers were told they wouldn’t be getting into paradise if they were caught in one without a helmet, flak, gloves, and flame retardant clothes!”
During the course of the interview, Al-Rahman was interrupted by at least one angry phone call from ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, demanding to know why none of the Humvees had their drip pans and chock blocks in place.
The M1114 HMMWV, known to the public as the “Humvee” and to the American soldier as “the fething Humvee,” is the U.S. military’s all-purpose mobile field kitchen, capable of cooking up to six soldiers alive in as many minutes. During the Iraq War, the U.S. discovered that they were also extremely effective at uncovering IEDs, leading to the war-winning strategy of driving over them as frequently as possible.
At the end of the Iraq War — in a gesture of revenge — the U.S. abandoned thousands of Humvees in Iraq, an act compared to the Soviets seeding millions of land mines in Afghanistan, and with similar results once the Iraqis began to drive them.
The Humvees were captured by ISIS on Tuesday after being abandoned by Iraqi soldiers unable to locate the vehicles’ keys, which they claimed the U.S. advisers who alerted them to this feature had never provided. Although ISIS attempted to use the vehicles immediately, they were unable to properly employ them because of the Humvee’s incredibly poor fuel consumption, as well as unsuccessful attempts to obtain spare parts from manufacturer A.M. General in Indiana.
To make matters worse, in an almost-kharmic act of retribution, retreating Iraqi soldiers have begun emplacing landmines and other ordnance along the roads, easily blowing up the few ISIS Humvees that have ventured south of Mosul.
“In the name of the Blessed Prophet, these things are death traps!” exclaimed one of Al-Rahman’s fighters. “How the hell could anyone drive these things around a parking lot, let alone into a combat zone?”
Al-Rahman then reminded him that you go to jihad with the mujahideen you have, not the mujahideen you wish you had.
Following a 35% increase in casualties caused by repeated Humvee rollovers, Al-Baghdadi called a halt to offensive operations, pending a series of mandatory safety classes for ISIS fighters. ISIS sources have vowed that the offensive would resume as soon as the classes had achieved 100% attendance, which would also give them time to capture some wreckers so they could at least tow the Humvees into battle.
ISIS has also apparently captured a dozen U.S.-made MRAPs from the Iraqi Army, but after two days had still not figured out how to drive them out of the motor pool.
Duffel Blog correspondents John Mittle, Dark Laughter, Dick Scuttlebutt, Jay-B, Frederick Taub, and Smelly Infidel contributed to this article.
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Jihadin wrote: I've a very strong feeling that the Iraqi Army has probably been infiltrated at this point.
But they, ISIS, are having issues
Spoiler:
MOSUL, Iraq — Just days after the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) seized control of Iraq’s northern cities of Mosul and Tikrit, the group’s lightning offensive has reportedly ground to a halt after ISIS unsuccessfully attempted to use dozens of captured U.S. M1114 Humvees.
“We were considerably more mobile with Toyota Technicals,” complained ISIS cell leader Ibrahim ibn Abdullah ibn Sabah Al-Rahman. “But once we captured these unreliable monstrosities, our leadership started worrying about our safety.”
“Now we can’t even leave our base without at least four up-armored Humvees and an RPG team, plus we have to have three ground guides with reflective belts every time we are backing out of our parking spot,” Al-Rahman said as he angrily gestured towards a dilapidated Humvee. “And don’t get me started on all the protective gear we have to wear. Even the suicide bombers were told they wouldn’t be getting into paradise if they were caught in one without a helmet, flak, gloves, and flame retardant clothes!”
During the course of the interview, Al-Rahman was interrupted by at least one angry phone call from ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, demanding to know why none of the Humvees had their drip pans and chock blocks in place.
The M1114 HMMWV, known to the public as the “Humvee” and to the American soldier as “the fething Humvee,” is the U.S. military’s all-purpose mobile field kitchen, capable of cooking up to six soldiers alive in as many minutes. During the Iraq War, the U.S. discovered that they were also extremely effective at uncovering IEDs, leading to the war-winning strategy of driving over them as frequently as possible.
At the end of the Iraq War — in a gesture of revenge — the U.S. abandoned thousands of Humvees in Iraq, an act compared to the Soviets seeding millions of land mines in Afghanistan, and with similar results once the Iraqis began to drive them.
The Humvees were captured by ISIS on Tuesday after being abandoned by Iraqi soldiers unable to locate the vehicles’ keys, which they claimed the U.S. advisers who alerted them to this feature had never provided. Although ISIS attempted to use the vehicles immediately, they were unable to properly employ them because of the Humvee’s incredibly poor fuel consumption, as well as unsuccessful attempts to obtain spare parts from manufacturer A.M. General in Indiana.
To make matters worse, in an almost-kharmic act of retribution, retreating Iraqi soldiers have begun emplacing landmines and other ordnance along the roads, easily blowing up the few ISIS Humvees that have ventured south of Mosul.
“In the name of the Blessed Prophet, these things are death traps!” exclaimed one of Al-Rahman’s fighters. “How the hell could anyone drive these things around a parking lot, let alone into a combat zone?”
Al-Rahman then reminded him that you go to jihad with the mujahideen you have, not the mujahideen you wish you had.
Following a 35% increase in casualties caused by repeated Humvee rollovers, Al-Baghdadi called a halt to offensive operations, pending a series of mandatory safety classes for ISIS fighters. ISIS sources have vowed that the offensive would resume as soon as the classes had achieved 100% attendance, which would also give them time to capture some wreckers so they could at least tow the Humvees into battle.
ISIS has also apparently captured a dozen U.S.-made MRAPs from the Iraqi Army, but after two days had still not figured out how to drive them out of the motor pool.
Duffel Blog correspondents John Mittle, Dark Laughter, Dick Scuttlebutt, Jay-B, Frederick Taub, and Smelly Infidel contributed to this article.
I got to paragraph 5 before I got it... I clearly need more coffee.
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Jihadin wrote: I've a very strong feeling that the Iraqi Army has probably been infiltrated at this point.
But they, ISIS, are having issues
MOSUL, Iraq — Just days after the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) seized control of Iraq’s northern cities of Mosul and Tikrit, the group’s lightning offensive has reportedly ground to a halt after ISIS unsuccessfully attempted to use dozens of captured U.S. M1114 Humvees.
“We were considerably more mobile with Toyota Technicals,” complained ISIS cell leader Ibrahim ibn Abdullah ibn Sabah Al-Rahman. “But once we captured these unreliable monstrosities, our leadership started worrying about our safety.”
“Now we can’t even leave our base without at least four up-armored Humvees and an RPG team, plus we have to have three ground guides with reflective belts every time we are backing out of our parking spot,” Al-Rahman said as he angrily gestured towards a dilapidated Humvee. “And don’t get me started on all the protective gear we have to wear. Even the suicide bombers were told they wouldn’t be getting into paradise if they were caught in one without a helmet, flak, gloves, and flame retardant clothes!”
During the course of the interview, Al-Rahman was interrupted by at least one angry phone call from ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, demanding to know why none of the Humvees had their drip pans and chock blocks in place.
The M1114 HMMWV, known to the public as the “Humvee” and to the American soldier as “the fething Humvee,” is the U.S. military’s all-purpose mobile field kitchen, capable of cooking up to six soldiers alive in as many minutes. During the Iraq War, the U.S. discovered that they were also extremely effective at uncovering IEDs, leading to the war-winning strategy of driving over them as frequently as possible.
At the end of the Iraq War — in a gesture of revenge — the U.S. abandoned thousands of Humvees in Iraq, an act compared to the Soviets seeding millions of land mines in Afghanistan, and with similar results once the Iraqis began to drive them.
The Humvees were captured by ISIS on Tuesday after being abandoned by Iraqi soldiers unable to locate the vehicles’ keys, which they claimed the U.S. advisers who alerted them to this feature had never provided. Although ISIS attempted to use the vehicles immediately, they were unable to properly employ them because of the Humvee’s incredibly poor fuel consumption, as well as unsuccessful attempts to obtain spare parts from manufacturer A.M. General in Indiana.
To make matters worse, in an almost-kharmic act of retribution, retreating Iraqi soldiers have begun emplacing landmines and other ordnance along the roads, easily blowing up the few ISIS Humvees that have ventured south of Mosul.
“In the name of the Blessed Prophet, these things are death traps!” exclaimed one of Al-Rahman’s fighters. “How the hell could anyone drive these things around a parking lot, let alone into a combat zone?”
Al-Rahman then reminded him that you go to jihad with the mujahideen you have, not the mujahideen you wish you had.
Following a 35% increase in casualties caused by repeated Humvee rollovers, Al-Baghdadi called a halt to offensive operations, pending a series of mandatory safety classes for ISIS fighters. ISIS sources have vowed that the offensive would resume as soon as the classes had achieved 100% attendance, which would also give them time to capture some wreckers so they could at least tow the Humvees into battle.
ISIS has also apparently captured a dozen U.S.-made MRAPs from the Iraqi Army, but after two days had still not figured out how to drive them out of the motor pool.
Duffel Blog correspondents John Mittle, Dark Laughter, Dick Scuttlebutt, Jay-B, Frederick Taub, and Smelly Infidel contributed to this article.
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The comments sections are hilarious.
I don't know what's funnier, the articles, or the people in the comments that take them for actual news articles. Then again, some of the commentors may be Duffle writers getting that last shot in!
At this point I'm mostly just finding some very black humour in both the left and right shouting "I told you so" and trying to use the whole thing as a political beat stick. The fighting is only just started and already people are angling to write a political narrative that will win their side some political points.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
The withdrawal of all US troops can't be blamed on Bush or Obama because it's completely the fault of Democracy in Iraq. There is the fact that Nouri al-Maliki and the Iraqi parliament are elected officials and the people voting him into office wanted US troops gone. Nouri al-Maliki and the Iraqi parliament refused to give Bush a SOFA which resulted in the 2011 withdrawal timeline being set when Bush was in office, then when Obama took over Nouri al-Maliki and the Iraqi parliament refused to give Obama a SOFA which left no option but to stick with the 2011 timeline.
Also this is more like the first battle of bull run than the fall of Saigon. ISIS is hated by the Shia majority of Iraq, Iran, Assad's government, and Russia because they pose a threat to Assad. The won a battle, but they can't win the war especially after executing all of their prisoners. Now they will have to fight every armed soldier and armed shia citizen to the death in order to capture Baghdad because it's pointless to surrender if they are just going to execute you, and there is no place to run away to. ISIS won some tactical victories, but achieved no strategic goals while inuring multiple strategic losses.
The 3 big winners here are Assad, Putin, and the Kurds. Remember back when the world couldn't decide if they wanted Assad or Isis or win the Syrian civil war? That ambiguity is over which will free up Assad and Putin to crush Isis within Syrian borders. It hasn't happened yet but when Russia launches airstrikes against Isis within Syria the only voice of objection will come from Fox news as they criticize Obama for not getting involved and blame him for the milk in their fridge going sour. OBAMA!!!!! In the meantime the technically unofficial state of Kurdistan has expanded it's boarders. Maybe they Kurds will find some way to work things out with Assad.
This is going to end poorly for ISIS with Russian assisted Assad forces moving in from the West in Syria and Iranian backed Shia units moving in from the East. It's also going to be a bloodbath for the Shia Iraqis when they go in to retake Mosul.
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BlaxicanX wrote: It's almost as if the entire war was a waste of money, effort and lives and we never should have had our asses over there in the first place.
Dont say that Bush got reelected and he fixed the. economy.. aswell... Money well spent.
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BlaxicanX wrote: It's almost as if the entire war was a waste of money, effort and lives and we never should have had our asses over there in the first place.
Dont say that Bush got reelected and he fixed the. economy.. aswell... Money well spent.
No, we need to elect ANOTHER Bush in order to get the economy back on track.
BlaxicanX wrote: It's almost as if the entire war was a waste of money, effort and lives and we never should have had our asses over there in the first place.
Dont say that Bush got reelected and he fixed the. economy.. aswell... Money well spent.
No, we need to elect ANOTHER Bush in order to get the economy back on track.
Or maybe a spawn of Reagan.
We need to elect a spawn of Reagan as President, and he needs to have a Bush as Vice-President.
Then, in our time of greatest need, they can combine to form Reagush - the savior our great nation deserves.
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I was thinking a combo of Bush Sr and Bill Clinton type of thing..
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We're at that point now in Iraq
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1) pass an act of congress to make me General of the Armies for 90 days
2) Give me 100,000 marines (do you guys still have 100,000 marines on the roster )
Then I shall bring the Iraq situation back under control!
I always get these delusions whenever I watch Waterloo
Anyway, back OT. I switched the TV today and heard the very surprising news that the USA and Iran are discussing supporting each other in Iraq. My initial reaction was to
But they're being serious.
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djones520 wrote: Hey... when it all comes down to it, we just need to blame Joe Biden for it.
What did people expect when he went onto national TV spouting off about how Iraq was going to be the greatest success story of this administration. I mean come on, it's impossible for the guy to be right, so he basically fethed the country right there.
Remember when Joe Biden wanted to partition the country, in 2006, and was roundly mocked for it?
Also, what he actually said was ""I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration." Emphasis mine.
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If we were smart we'd let the Gulf states support the sunnis, Iran support the shiites, and we stay out of it (other then selling to everyone who has coin, maybe a discount for the Kurds).
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I'm not sure we should stay out of it. I didn't want us to intervene in Syria because I didn't see a national security interest there... but the Wahhabists are dangerous to the United States. I think Lindsay Graham is right - this is a potential 9/11 in the making.
Maybe I was wrong about Syria.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
And do what? Air strikes will hit non ISIL people who have a legitimate beef, and will make them hate America.
Why pick sides when we can stay the hell out and sell them cool dumbified gear? They only get mad when you pick a side. They haven't done anything to us.
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They've captured, tortured, and executed American servicemen.
They're so closely allied with Al Qaeda that we can probably use the existing AUMF, legally speaking.
Then nuke them. Otherwise stay out.
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so, to clarify, your argument is you/we/whomever cannot/should not use airstrikes/similar as this will kill innocent people and their friends/families/rest of the Middle East will develop a grudge or somesuch against America...
.. whilst at the same time suggesting that these same people should be nuked.
Which presumably, will have no repercussions whatsoever.
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