Like Fallujah before it....

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**BaronIveagh**

Frazzled wrote:

As soon as Christian fundamentalists declare a Christian Kingdom then you can talk. until then your statement has only a tangential link to reality in any form.

Achem....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Jerusalem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-Bishopric_of_Montenegro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Kingdom_of_Great_Peace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

**Ensis Ferrae**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

As soon as Christian fundamentalists declare a Christian Kingdom then you can talk. until then your statement has only a tangential link to reality in any form.

Achem....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Jerusalem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-Bishopric_of_Montenegro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Kingdom_of_Great_Peace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

Christianity has changed much since basically ALL of those have become a thing.... No longer is a "fundamentalist" Christian going around lopping off heads.... Depending on your definition of "Christian" some ARE however, illegally marrying underage girls/illegally marrying more than one woman....

**Jihadin**

Come on Jake

From Northern Iraq to Southern Iraq and across the border into Kuwait.
Cut ISIS in half on the convoy's. If even looks threatening bomb the

....Kuwait logistical can support it

They can't leave from the locations

**Frazzled**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

As soon as Christian fundamentalists declare a Christian Kingdom then you can talk. until then your statement has only a tangential link to reality in any form.

Achem....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Jerusalem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-Bishopric_of_Montenegro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Kingdom_of_Great_Peace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

Wow its like none of that gak happened in the last THOUSAND YEARS.

WHy does the Islamic faith draw so many crazies? These guys are Pol Pot level psychopaths.

Guard the border. Time to put rough men on the walls and protect us from such evil.

**Lone Cat**

whembly wrote:
Maliki is now *blaming* the US for supporting the new Kurdish President.

What a mess...

Arabs believed Kurds are Jews (and shouldn't boss 'em around)... they believed that within their proper, they are the only kind to boss... oh! sense of Majority nationalism, the presence of minority ruling over the mass is not easy unless the leader (or the System) is fair. some said that Kurds were one of the 'Lost Israelite tribes'

**BaronIveagh**

Frazzled wrote:

Wow its like none of that gak happened in the last THOUSAND YEARS.

Actually the last two of those happened in the last two centuries, and the Vatican, at least, is still an ongoing thing....

If you want comparatively recent, I give you South Vietnam under Diệm. There was, after all, a reason the US replaced him, and all those monks were setting themselves on fire.... as ARVN burned Buddhist temples and imprisoned and executed non-Catholics....

**nels1031**

I'd argue none on that list are particularly fundamentalist.

**Ahtman**

nels1031 wrote:
I'd argue none on that list are particularly fundamentalist.

Killing Buddhists becuase they aren't Christian seems fairly fundamentalist. I would argue that Christians of that ilk are an extreme minority, not that they don't exist.

**nels1031**

Was referring to the list of linked Christian Empires/Sates/Kingdoms.

**Lone Cat**

Ahtman wrote:
nels1031 wrote:
I'd argue none on that list are particularly fundamentalist.

Killing Buddhists becuase they aren't Christian seems fairly fundamentalist. I would argue that Christians of that ilk are an extreme minority, not that they don't exist.

A minority catholics within the land of Easter Religions is still dangerous in the view of majority. especially with any form of despotism exists in that country.
The most recent of Christian fundamentalist nation (or closest things to) is... lemme say.. Central African Republic. I've heard the reports that the Christian government ordered series of massacre on Muslim population. the methods of execution is what I don't really know, but it is likely the fire is used. Because any fundamentalism treats other religions as heresy. (and crime).. and in classic Christian 'law'. Heresy should be burned alive. How did muslim fundamentalist deal with heretics? what do they use to dispose these 'worthless blob of flesh'? fire? firing squad? crucification? mobbing? or else?

**Jihadin**

Think our limited "Boots on Ground" is about to have contact with ISIS if the US Military actually pulls off a evac of the Christians at Sinji

**Easy E**

So, are these new "Evaluation Teams" really going to be forward observers for CAS missions?

Is this goig to be like how we "supported" the Northern Alliance in the early days of the Afghan war but use local Pesh Merga with our air support to help lift the siege?

Is that what you are getting at Jihadin?

**Jihadin**

That "Eval" team has to go over and eyeball all the areas and routes that are to be used to pull off a evac of that many people.

**Frazzled**

Why evac? Why not just "arc light" with supporting cast members from those wacky always lovable peshmurga?

Why are we not secretly coordinating with Iran and Syria to hit them in Iraq while they hit them in Syria?

**Jihadin**

Frazzled wrote:
Why evac? Why not just "arc light" with supporting cast members from those wacky always lovable peshmurga?

Why are we not secretly coordinating with Iran and Syria to hit them in Iraq while they hit them in Syria?

That be interesting to see. Obama talking to Assad to make that happen. Think Iran threw a couple battalion of "fighters" at ISIS already. We bypassed the Mal'Imascrubwasteofspace to providing small arms to Kurds.
It's going to have to happen on the Kurds side because frankly, no one can really trust the Iraq military to step the "F" up and perform beyond the status quo

**Knockagh**

nels1031 wrote:
I'd argue none on that list are particularly fundamentalist.

The brave speak the truth, completely agree. Empires were a historical norm for centuries, it was not considered wrong to expand your political borders through empire building. Don't judge the past with modern eyes. Someday we wil be judged by future generations.

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Why evac? Why not just "arc light" with supporting cast members from those wacky always lovable peshmurga?

Why are we not secretly coordinating with Iran and Syria to hit them in Iraq while they hit them in Syria?

That be interesting to see. Obama talking to Assad to make that happen. Think Iran threw a couple battalion of "fighters" at ISIS already. We bypassed the Mal'Imascrubwasteofspace to providing small arms to Kurds.
It's going to have to happen on the Kurds side because frankly, no one can really trust the Iraq military to step the "F" up and perform beyond the status quo

Having said that beyond humanitarian I'm not that concerned. I like the Kurds, but thats about it. If ISIL is such a major threat Iran and Turkey should be curbstomping them.

Back in my day, Middle Eastern countries had no problem ganging up (and losing).

**Jihadin**

Frazzled wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Why evac? Why not just "arc light" with supporting cast members from those wacky always lovable peshmurga?

Why are we not secretly coordinating with Iran and Syria to hit them in Iraq while they hit them in Syria?

That be interesting to see. Obama talking to Assad to make that happen. Think Iran threw a couple battalion of "fighters" at ISIS already. We bypassed the Mal'Imascrubwasteofspace to providing small arms to Kurds.
It's going to have to happen on the Kurds side because frankly, no one can really trust the Iraq military to step the "F" up and perform beyond the status quo

Having said that beyond humanitarian I'm not that concerned. I like the Kurds, but thats about it. If ISIL is such a major threat Iran and Turkey should be curbstomping them.

Back in my day, Middle Eastern countries had no problem ganging up (and losing).

Back in OUR day we just had to worry about Russia. Now its Russia and ISIS

**Ouze**

djones520 wrote:
Nope. We never supported ISIS.

We supported the Son of Iraq, who, when the US inevitably abandoned them and they stopped getting paid, joined ISIS.

If only we had an example of when something like that had happened before in the last 20 years, so we could have known it was a bad idea!

So when I hear in this very thread we should start arming the Kurds, I'm a little leery of that idea.

**Hordini**

It might help if we tried not abandoning them after arming them.

**Ouze**

Come on man, that would just be socialism.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Ouze wrote:
Come on man, that would just be socialism.

On the other hand, NOT giving them weapons would be gun control! What'd you rather be, a socialist hippie-nist or a gun-grabbing UN traitor?

**Frazzled**

Now some nonsense about them not needing rescue?

Sounds like a bogus copout to me. Its like watching amateur hour, with lives.

**Jihadin**

ISIS/ISIL beheaded an American Journalist

The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) claims to have beheaded an American photojournalist and has threatened the life of another American journalist if President Obama doesn't stop airstrikes in Iraq.

A graphic video obtained by NBC News purportedly shows James Wright Foley, a freelance journalist for the U.S.-based news service GlobalPost who was kidnapped while reporting from Syria two years ago, reciting threats against America before he is executed by an ISIS militant. The militant heard in the video speaks in English.

The terrorist video shows footage of Obama speaking from the White House on the day he told Americans he had authorized airstrikes in Iraq.

Foley was kidnapped at gunpoint near the town of Taftanaz in northern Syria on Thanksgiving Day in 2012. He had not been heard from during his time in captivity. "We’ve heard nothing. Nothing. We last knew that he was abducted on Thanksgiving Day in the Idlib province, but we don’t know who took him or why," Foley's father, John, said on TODAY last year.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/james-wright-foley-kidnapped-journalist-apparently-executed-isis-n184376

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

ISIS releases video showing the beheading of U.S. freelance journalist James Foley and threaten to ~~execute~~ murder another journalist, Steven Joel Soltoff .

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/19/us-syria-crisis-beheading-idUSKBN0GJ26S20140819

The bastard carrying out the murder sounded British to me.

**BaronIveagh**

Well, it wasn't an American kid, so I was only half right. Oh Well.

**Breotan**

The President won't do anything. Not because we don't negotiate with terrorists (ha!) but because the lives of those journalists just aren't important enough to warrant the President going back on his promise not to send in troops. Seriously, the Kurds had better realize they're on their own there.

**Jihadin**

Not really Bre. We're giving them small arms armament and "Little Yellow" bird friend of mine at Bragg (who keeps in touch with me since he is now a Contract Oversight NCO) dropped word that Javelins have been shipped

**Medium of Death**

Apparently the chap is British. It certainly sounds that way.

Another sign of militant Islamic ideas being fostered in the UK.

Too many pictures to copy. But here's a snippet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28862268

The Islamic State (IS) has released a video online purporting to show the beheading of US journalist James Foley, who went missing in Syria in 2012.

The jihadist militant group said the killing was revenge for US air strikes against its fighters in Iraq.

Foley's mother Diane said on Facebook she was proud of her son: "He gave his life trying to expose the world to the suffering of the Syrian people."

The White House said if the video was genuine, the US would be "appalled".

If (the video is) genuine, we are appalled by the brutal murder of an innocent American journalist”

Caitlin Hayden
US security spokeswoman
Foley, 40, has reported extensively across the Middle East, working for the US publication GlobalPost and other media outlets including French news agency AFP.

British accent
In the video, titled A Message to America, a man identified as James Foley is dressed in an orange jumpsuit, kneeling in desert-like terrain beside an armed man dressed in black.

He gives a message to his family and links his imminent death to the US government's bombing campaign of IS targets in Iraq.

Clearly under duress, he says: "I call on my friends, family and loved ones to rise up against my real killers, the US government, for what will happen to me is only a result of their complacency and criminality."

Then the masked militant, who speaks with a British accent, delivers a warning to the US government: "You are no longer fighting an insurgency. We are an Islamic Army and a state that has been accepted by a large number of Muslims worldwide.

The apparent murderer speaks with a British accent, as the BBC's Frank Gardner reports. Some listeners may find parts of this audio disturbing.
"So any attempt by you Obama to deny the Muslims their rights of living in safety under the Islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people."

After he speaks, the militant appears to start cutting at his captive's neck before the video fades to black.

**whembly**

Okay... look at this:

I like to bash Obama as much as the next guy...

But this front-page and sentiments like this... I think, it's kinda harsh.

I mean, yeah this administration's foreign policy is weak-sauce, but it Obama's policies didn't put this reporter there.

Maybe the criticism is the excessive vacationing / fundraising... or something.