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Let's just hypothetically assume here that the Necrons united to become the reigning force in the Galaxy and have snuffed out most warp connected species, humans, orks, and eldar, what would happen to the warp itself? Would the immaterium just cease to exist along with the Chaos Gods themselves or would some fragment always remain live even without concious minds constantly feeding it? Would that also mean that the Tyranids would be stopped if the Necrons were able to cut the warp off from them in this process?

I'd be interested in this too. With the end of the corporeal universe already being settled, as in The Nightbringer swallowing the entire universe and all that dwells within...what happens to the Warp, however? It is an entirely different thing as the Necrons cannot control it in any way and as far as I can recall, there's nothing mentioned about the C'tan being able to do so either.

Can it exist without a corporeal universe? Would the Chaos Gods slowly wither and disappear as they no longer have mininons worshipping them?

The warp would be blocked off of the materium. It would fizzle out and settle into tranquility with only warp denizens such as the enslavers would likely live as well as the souls of the dead. After millennia of turmoil the warp would at last be peaceful, tranquil. Necrons standing on top, they would become rulers of an empire of Ash, the worlds blasted and harmed with life almost eradicated. And so would stand the Necrons, many trying to find a way to return to flesh as the Flayer virus spreads through their ranks. At last, some Necrons succeed returning to flesh. Only it is far too late. They are butcchered by Flayed Ones that then dress in the skin roaming the world blindly until all breaks and decays.

As per oldcron fluff, that'd certainly play out differently. It becomes curious what would happen after all souls and possibly stars are consumed.

Should the Immaterium and he beings within be blocked off from the Materium I believe it would stay relatively the same. The only difference would be that nothing can leave the Immaterium.

The Daemons inside would slowly starve unless there are sufficient beings inside the Warp to sustain them

The Tyranids would most likely divert to another galaxy.

Everything native to this galaxy would enter an endless malaise, which was reasonably well described in the original Necron book. No Warp = no contact with your soul = you lose all hope and give up.

 StarTrotter wrote:
The warp would be blocked off of the materium. It would fizzle out and settle into tranquility with only warp denizens such as the enslavers would likely live as well as the souls of the dead. After millennia of turmoil the warp would at last be peaceful, tranquil. Necrons standing on top, they would become rulers of an empire of Ash, the worlds blasted and harmed with life almost eradicated. And so would stand the Necrons, many trying to find a way to return to flesh as the Flayer virus spreads through their ranks. At last, some Necrons succeed returning to flesh. Only it is far too late. They are butcchered by Flayed Ones that then dress in the skin roaming the world blindly until all breaks and decays.

As per oldcron fluff, that'd certainly play out differently. It becomes curious what would happen after all souls and possibly stars are consumed.

I would say this is pretty accurate except that I think every Necron would eventually succumb to either the Flayer Virus or the Destroyer Curse and there would most likely be a never ending war between the two.

Unless someone could cure either of those, in which case the Necron Dynasties would probably start fighting each other eventually until only the strongest remained.

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
The warp would be blocked off of the materium. It would fizzle out and settle into tranquility with only warp denizens such as the enslavers would likely live as well as the souls of the dead. After millennia of turmoil the warp would at last be peaceful, tranquil. Necrons standing on top, they would become rulers of an empire of Ash, the worlds blasted and harmed with life almost eradicated. And so would stand the Necrons, many trying to find a way to return to flesh as the Flayer virus spreads through their ranks. At last, some Necrons succeed returning to flesh. Only it is far too late. They are butcchered by Flayed Ones that then dress in the skin roaming the world blindly until all breaks and decays.

As per oldcron fluff, that'd certainly play out differently. It becomes curious what would happen after all souls and possibly stars are consumed.

I would say this is pretty accurate except that I think every Necron would eventually succumb to either the Flayer Virus or the Destroyer Curse and there would most likely be a never ending war between the two.

Unless someone could cure either of those, in which case the Necron Dynasties would probably start fighting each other eventually until only the strongest remained.

Darn it. I completely forgot about the Destroyer Curse. Thanks for mentioning it.

Lots of assumptions about the neurons. What does winning entail? Depending on the faction, it has different definitions.

There is nothing mandating the elimination of the psychic races for some factions. As long as they are subservient the Necron seem ambivalent to their existence.

Complete the cadian pylon network and seal the eye thus greatly weakening a weakened chaos,

 PhillyT wrote:
Lots of assumptions about the neurons. What does winning entail? Depending on the faction, it has different definitions.

There is nothing mandating the elimination of the psychic races for some factions. As long as they are subservient the Necron seem ambivalent to their existence.

This post wasn't so much about how the Necrons would win the galaxy but what would happen to the Warp if they did find some way to win. The Necrons are psychic blanks with no connection with the warp so what would happen to the warp if they conquered every other species that is connected to the warp since it is this connection that feeds the warp. The worshiping of the Chaos Gods and the Emperor is what gives all these entities power and how they are able to hang onto to reality and usher their prospective factions forward thus what if the only faction that is completely free of the warp wins, what happens to the warp when the batteries run out and nothing is feeding the psycho-reactive energies that is the Immaterium. Psychic blanks, also known as Pariahs, have shown their usefulness in giving the ability to block psychic energy that used to be in the old fluff that the Necrons engineered these into the human race to slowly take them over because once you were a psychic blank, it was easy to convert a human into a Necron thus making another sentient unit within the Necron force. I always liked this because of how insidious it was but it makes one wonder what would happen to everything if the Necrons won. Honestly, they are the cure to Chaos being to completely snuff them out even more than the Tyranids can. To this end, the Imperium should support and continue to convert humans into Pariahs and thus defeat Chaos by joining with the Necrons.

A unified Necron nation defending its galactic turf from the complete Tyranid onslaught would be the most epic era of war the galaxy has ever seen or would ever see.

Though, I'm curious if the ingenuity of the combined Crypteks would simply design viruses that effectively plague the Nids, and unlike the Imperium's attempts, would adapt and be incredibly lethal to them. The Crypteks are leagues above the most brilliant scientists from all other races, after all.

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
A unified Necron nation defending its galactic turf from the complete Tyranid onslaught would be the most epic era of war the galaxy has ever seen or would ever see.

Though, I'm curious if the ingenuity of the combined Crypteks would simply design viruses that effectively plague the Nids, and unlike the Imperium's attempts, would adapt and be incredibly lethal to them. The Crypteks are leagues above the most brilliant scientists from all other races, after all.

Well, what about the fact that the Necrons could use their psychic blank tech to disrupt the synapses thus able to disperse the Hive Fleet and scatter them to the winds so that they could hunt the disoriented tendrils.

I suppose there are a number of ways the Necrons would just flex nuts over the Nids. They have the Celestial Orrery and can really screw with the large tendrils/bulk of the hive fleet, Cryptek scientists, psychic blankness, portal tech, etc, etc.

The necrons might even assist the nids in killing everyone so as to rid the galaxy of life.

Necrons are sort of the ultimate answer to the tyranids. The tyrannies cannot recoup the lost biomass through consuming the neurons, leaving them to slowly be ground away as the neurons rebuild most of their lost warriors.

Maximus Bitch wrote:
The necrons might even assist the nids in killing everyone so as to rid the galaxy of life.

I don't think so. The Silent King has returned due to the Tyranids and the fact that they consume all life around them. Many Necrons desire a return to flesh, so a lot of the work they do is to try and find a solution to that problem. If Tyranids consume everything, there is no organic life that can be left to support the Necron return to flesh. If anything they would start by eradicating the Tyranids and go from there.

Necron victory over "The Warp" would only be a temporary respite.

The Chaos Gods would not take this lying down. Unless the Necrons in the old lore complete their ability to sunder the Immaterium from reality, Chaos can still be a pivotal and dangerous force. A total victory by the Necrons against all psychically attuned species would be impossible in that context.

Assuredly though, expect the Imperium of Man to be dead for the Necrons to achieve dominance. However, the forces under the banner of Chaos would probably be still around. Chaos Space Marines and their slaves would undoubtedly turn their attention to vying for control of the galaxy against the Necrons.

Enslavers would probably contest the dominance of the Necrons by subjugating those in reality to fight their actions. Ruining the Immaterium in anyway would make them really unhappy.

Tyranids as a point of order would classify the Necrons as a threat to their existence, especially if the galactic biomass dips precipitously low enough for the Tyranids to recognize such a threat. Tomb Worlds would be overrun as Tyranids eliminated a contender for bio-matter necessary for their continued survival.

And the fragments of the C'Tan still out there not under their dominion would be also something to consider. If you do not entirely discount the previous C'Tan lore from the older codices, aspects of the Deceiver are still out there, moving their plans along in some fashion, the probable end game being uniting as many shards of itself as it can and gaining power enough to challenge the Necrons once more.

And also let us assume the entire Necron race does not unify entirely. Much like humanity, Necrons are shown to be shorn between conflicting loyalties and faults. Arrogance and superiority nurture jealousy and hate, which in turn breeds war.

In fact, I'd see a Necron Empire as being no different from the Imperium of Man, a galactic hegemony challenged by all sides, slowly crumbling from both the inside and out.

 WarOne wrote:
Necron victory over "The Warp" would only be a temporary respite.

The Chaos Gods would not take this lying down. Unless the Necrons in the old lore complete their ability to sunder the Immaterium from reality, Chaos can still be a pivotal and dangerous force. A total victory by the Necrons against all psychically attuned species would be impossible in that context.

Assuredly though, expect the Imperium of Man to be dead for the Necrons to achieve dominance. However, the forces under the banner of Chaos would probably be still around. Chaos Space Marines and their slaves would undoubtedly turn their attention to vying for control of the galaxy against the Necrons.

Enslavers would probably contest the dominance of the Necrons by subjugating those in reality to fight their actions. Ruining the Immaterium in anyway would make them really unhappy.

Tyranids as a point of order would classify the Necrons as a threat to their existence, especially if the galactic biomass dips precipitously low enough for the Tyranids to recognize such a threat. Tomb Worlds would be overrun as Tyranids eliminated a contender for bio-matter necessary for their continued survival.

And the fragments of the C'Tan still out there not under their dominion would be also something to consider. If you do not entirely discount the previous C'Tan lore from the older codices, aspects of the Deceiver are still out there, moving their plans along in some fashion, the probable end game being uniting as many shards of itself as it can and gaining power enough to challenge the Necrons once more.

And also let us assume the entire Necron race does not unify entirely. Much like humanity, Necrons are shown to be shorn between conflicting loyalties and faults. Arrogance and superiority nurture jealousy and hate, which in turn breeds war.

In fact, I'd see a Necron Empire as being no different from the Imperium of Man, a galactic hegemony challenged by all sides, slowly crumbling from both the inside and out.

Also it should be noted that, further screwing the Necrons, the 6th Edition Apocalypse rulebook states that the C'tan are reforming from their shards. Each time a shard is destroyed/released, the aspect of the C'tan reforming in the materium swoops down and nabs it to further reconstitute itself. If Chaos wanted to feth over the Necrons, I'd bet on them popping the star of every system where a shard is located, destroying it from the resulting supernova. Chaos then moves on to another galaxy or universe while the Necrons are left having a very awkward conversation with some very angry star gods.

 PhillyT wrote:
Necrons are sort of the ultimate answer to the tyranids. The tyrannies cannot recoup the lost biomass through consuming the neurons, leaving them to slowly be ground away as the neurons rebuild most of their lost warriors.

Pretty much. While extremely similar in fluff, Necrons are fluff hard-counter to Tyranids - while they can hardly defeat them due to a lack of planet destroying weapons, the only hard counter to Necrons, they cannot feed on them and their usual method of robbing a planet from all life that inhabits it is exactly what the C'tan / Necrons aim for: the destruction of all life. Not to mention The Outsider's presence alone makes a Hive Fleet do a 180° and rush away in sheer fear.

Still no idea about the Warp. The C'tan are far mightier than the Chaos Gods in the corporeal realm, but, afaik, they cannot enter the Warp themselves. Not that they would care, but in the end, they could just slowly bleed Chaos out, can't they? With most of its believers dead, isn't Chaos' power supposed to dwindle over time?

I doubt even the complete extermination of all life in the galaxy would put an end to life itself. Life started somehow, the universe did have to at some point arbitrarily decide "Why the F not?" and bring it into existence. If you presume that life came from nothing, then reducing life to nothing will not put an end to life. It'll be back sooner or later, as will the Chaos Gods that are sustained by it.

How can you kill that which HAS no life? Beings of great power can simply lie dormant for eons. They are like a battery... even devoid of power, they just need to be recharged.

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die."

 Sigvatr wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Necrons are sort of the ultimate answer to the tyranids. The tyrannies cannot recoup the lost biomass through consuming the neurons, leaving them to slowly be ground away as the neurons rebuild most of their lost warriors.

Pretty much. While extremely similar in fluff, Necrons are fluff hard-counter to Tyranids - while they can hardly defeat them due to a lack of planet destroying weapons, the only hard counter to Necrons, they cannot feed on them and their usual method of robbing a planet from all life that inhabits it is exactly what the C'tan / Necrons aim for: the destruction of all life. Not to mention The Outsider's presence alone makes a Hive Fleet do a 180° and rush away in sheer fear.

Still no idea about the Warp. The C'tan are far mightier than the Chaos Gods in the corporeal realm, but, afaik, they cannot enter the Warp themselves. Not that they would care, but in the end, they could just slowly bleed Chaos out, can't they? With most of its believers dead, isn't Chaos' power supposed to dwindle over time?

It's complicated. The Chaos Gods are strange eldritch abominations in the fullest use, occupying some kind of quantum state of existence (Schrodinger), as Slaanesh is often described as having always existed, yet never has. This could be the result of the lack of time in the warp, or any linear definition of it, meaning that when a Chaos God pops into existence, it retroactively re-writes history so that it has always existed. Or that it indeed always existed and always will. Given the lack of linear time, and Chaos having the ability to time travel (or well, just pop into the materium whenever it wants), even if you kill their food/entertainment supply, they can just feed off those still in the warp and the universe in the past. Or, there are quotes referring to other universes and the warp being connected to them, so it stands reason that Chaos would just move on and leave the 40K universe for an alternate one.

The best way I can think of how to describe Chaos is think of a subway station. The middle platform where everyone boards the train is static- it doesn't move and will always remain there. On one side there's a train that runs infinitely in one direction, and a train on the opposite side that runs for infinity in the opposite direction- the past and future. Daemons can step onto and exit either train at will, which will take them to their preferred destination, and Chaos can enter both simultaneously. So while everyone in the materim can only ride on one train, the one that heads for infinity in the direction of the future- Chaos at will can hop back in time, because what was yesterday for you is just another point in existence for them.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Necrons are sort of the ultimate answer to the tyranids. The tyrannies cannot recoup the lost biomass through consuming the neurons, leaving them to slowly be ground away as the neurons rebuild most of their lost warriors.

Pretty much. While extremely similar in fluff, Necrons are fluff hard-counter to Tyranids - while they can hardly defeat them due to a lack of planet destroying weapons, the only hard counter to Necrons, they cannot feed on them and their usual method of robbing a planet from all life that inhabits it is exactly what the C'tan / Necrons aim for: the destruction of all life. Not to mention The Outsider's presence alone makes a Hive Fleet do a 180° and rush away in sheer fear.

Still no idea about the Warp. The C'tan are far mightier than the Chaos Gods in the corporeal realm, but, afaik, they cannot enter the Warp themselves. Not that they would care, but in the end, they could just slowly bleed Chaos out, can't they? With most of its believers dead, isn't Chaos' power supposed to dwindle over time?

Chaos is infinite yet finite so it really is a toss of wat but, ignoring that odd blip if all life is destroyed the warp simply becomes tranquil again. The warp gods are simply combinations of souls and dreams so they'd just fade into a peaceful calm largely empty except residual marks and warp creatures that aren't soul/dream amalgamies such as the Enslavers. These creatures would be rare to pass through due to closing up many of the holes to the real realm. A very uncommon event really. Really as per the non Enslaver-like denizens, it's really a messy subject. On one hand, you have parts where the gods are born and older fluff mentioning the rise and fall of others as well as noting there was a time when it was tranquil not to mention the allusion to the power of the gods waxing and waning influenced by the outside realm and influencing them. At the same time it mentions how they have always been but never have. *shrugs*

Necrons are at a catch in that their fluff got changed quite a bit really. Using old ones.... eeeeee it's curious to see what they would do in the end. I suppose once souls were consumed they'd go on to consume the stars and then one another until only one was left. From there either try to move on to another system or simply wither out as well. Newcrons would try a variety of things depending on the dynasty but there are three most likely scenarios. The Silent King unites them but they live on the ashes of the old realm and are stuck being metal and eventually simply go insane from centuries even their armour decaying. The other two possibilities are destroyer and flayer endings which leads to basically everything being dead as well.

Welcome to C'tan and Chaos we make no sense!

 WarOne wrote:
Necron victory over "The Warp" would only be a temporary respite.

The Chaos Gods would not take this lying down. Unless the Necrons in the old lore complete their ability to sunder the Immaterium from reality, Chaos can still be a pivotal and dangerous force. A total victory by the Necrons against all psychically attuned species would be impossible in that context.

Assuredly though, expect the Imperium of Man to be dead for the Necrons to achieve dominance. However, the forces under the banner of Chaos would probably be still around. Chaos Space Marines and their slaves would undoubtedly turn their attention to vying for control of the galaxy against the Necrons.

Enslavers would probably contest the dominance of the Necrons by subjugating those in reality to fight their actions. Ruining the Immaterium in anyway would make them really unhappy.

Tyranids as a point of order would classify the Necrons as a threat to their existence, especially if the galactic biomass dips precipitously low enough for the Tyranids to recognize such a threat. Tomb Worlds would be overrun as Tyranids eliminated a contender for bio-matter necessary for their continued survival.

And the fragments of the C'Tan still out there not under their dominion would be also something to consider. If you do not entirely discount the previous C'Tan lore from the older codices, aspects of the Deceiver are still out there, moving their plans along in some fashion, the probable end game being uniting as many shards of itself as it can and gaining power enough to challenge the Necrons once more.

And also let us assume the entire Necron race does not unify entirely. Much like humanity, Necrons are shown to be shorn between conflicting loyalties and faults. Arrogance and superiority nurture jealousy and hate, which in turn breeds war.

In fact, I'd see a Necron Empire as being no different from the Imperium of Man, a galactic hegemony challenged by all sides, slowly crumbling from both the inside and out.

The Imperium dying would also lay a huge blow to Chaos as well, lest we forget what the Alpha Legion was actually working towards. Total victory for Horus meant that the defeat of Chaos was to be assured since Chaos would turn inward and destroy itself. The Imperium fuels Chaos by providing a polar opposite. The great irony is that as long as the Emperor lives, and has a connection to the material realm, it fuels Chaos. Destroy the force of order and the balance is tipped especially with there being no other Gods of Order left alive. As much as Chaos wants to think the death of the Imperium so great in reality it spells its own destruction, thus is the self defeating prophecy of Chaos. So in that case, the Necrons would find it easier to conquer the galaxy.

 Envihon wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Necron victory over "The Warp" would only be a temporary respite.

The Chaos Gods would not take this lying down. Unless the Necrons in the old lore complete their ability to sunder the Immaterium from reality, Chaos can still be a pivotal and dangerous force. A total victory by the Necrons against all psychically attuned species would be impossible in that context.

Assuredly though, expect the Imperium of Man to be dead for the Necrons to achieve dominance. However, the forces under the banner of Chaos would probably be still around. Chaos Space Marines and their slaves would undoubtedly turn their attention to vying for control of the galaxy against the Necrons.

Enslavers would probably contest the dominance of the Necrons by subjugating those in reality to fight their actions. Ruining the Immaterium in anyway would make them really unhappy.

Tyranids as a point of order would classify the Necrons as a threat to their existence, especially if the galactic biomass dips precipitously low enough for the Tyranids to recognize such a threat. Tomb Worlds would be overrun as Tyranids eliminated a contender for bio-matter necessary for their continued survival.

And the fragments of the C'Tan still out there not under their dominion would be also something to consider. If you do not entirely discount the previous C'Tan lore from the older codices, aspects of the Deceiver are still out there, moving their plans along in some fashion, the probable end game being uniting as many shards of itself as it can and gaining power enough to challenge the Necrons once more.

And also let us assume the entire Necron race does not unify entirely. Much like humanity, Necrons are shown to be shorn between conflicting loyalties and faults. Arrogance and superiority nurture jealousy and hate, which in turn breeds war.

In fact, I'd see a Necron Empire as being no different from the Imperium of Man, a galactic hegemony challenged by all sides, slowly crumbling from both the inside and out.

The Imperium dying would also lay a huge blow to Chaos as well, lest we forget what the Alpha Legion was actually working towards. Total victory for Horus meant that the defeat of Chaos was to be assured since Chaos would turn inward and destroy itself. The Imperium fuels Chaos by providing a polar opposite. The great irony is that as long as the Emperor lives, and has a connection to the material realm, it fuels Chaos. Destroy the force of order and the balance is tipped especially with there being no other Gods of Order left alive. As much as Chaos wants to think the death of the Imperium so great in reality it spells its own destruction, thus is the self defeating prophecy of Chaos. So in that case, the Necrons would find it easier to conquer the galaxy.

Except there is no reason at all to believe the Cabal speaks the truth, and Chaos has existed long before the Imperium ever as and managed perfectly fine.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Necron victory over "The Warp" would only be a temporary respite.

The Chaos Gods would not take this lying down. Unless the Necrons in the old lore complete their ability to sunder the Immaterium from reality, Chaos can still be a pivotal and dangerous force. A total victory by the Necrons against all psychically attuned species would be impossible in that context.

Assuredly though, expect the Imperium of Man to be dead for the Necrons to achieve dominance. However, the forces under the banner of Chaos would probably be still around. Chaos Space Marines and their slaves would undoubtedly turn their attention to vying for control of the galaxy against the Necrons.

Enslavers would probably contest the dominance of the Necrons by subjugating those in reality to fight their actions. Ruining the Immaterium in anyway would make them really unhappy.

Tyranids as a point of order would classify the Necrons as a threat to their existence, especially if the galactic biomass dips precipitously low enough for the Tyranids to recognize such a threat. Tomb Worlds would be overrun as Tyranids eliminated a contender for bio-matter necessary for their continued survival.

And the fragments of the C'Tan still out there not under their dominion would be also something to consider. If you do not entirely discount the previous C'Tan lore from the older codices, aspects of the Deceiver are still out there, moving their plans along in some fashion, the probable end game being uniting as many shards of itself as it can and gaining power enough to challenge the Necrons once more.

And also let us assume the entire Necron race does not unify entirely. Much like humanity, Necrons are shown to be shorn between conflicting loyalties and faults. Arrogance and superiority nurture jealousy and hate, which in turn breeds war.

In fact, I'd see a Necron Empire as being no different from the Imperium of Man, a galactic hegemony challenged by all sides, slowly crumbling from both the inside and out.

The Imperium dying would also lay a huge blow to Chaos as well, lest we forget what the Alpha Legion was actually working towards. Total victory for Horus meant that the defeat of Chaos was to be assured since Chaos would turn inward and destroy itself. The Imperium fuels Chaos by providing a polar opposite. The great irony is that as long as the Emperor lives, and has a connection to the material realm, it fuels Chaos. Destroy the force of order and the balance is tipped especially with there being no other Gods of Order left alive. As much as Chaos wants to think the death of the Imperium so great in reality it spells its own destruction, thus is the self defeating prophecy of Chaos. So in that case, the Necrons would find it easier to conquer the galaxy.

Except there is no reason at all to believe the Cabal speaks the truth, and Chaos has existed long before the Imperium ever as and managed perfectly fine.

Yes, but at that time the Eldar Gods are the ones who opposed Chaos and kept it in check. Slaanesh was born destroying them but then that is when humans became more psychically active and the Emperor rose to power to be a presence that once more balanced the forces of Chaos. There has always been something there to keep the balance at all times. Chaos can not exist without Order and vice versa otherwise what is Chaos. That is what is so finite about a force like the Necrons who seemingly exist out of this balancing act. To me that means that if they ever found a way to cut the warp off, some monumental changes would occur.

There has always been that dichotomy. As much as Imperial players would love to extinguish the fire of Chaos, they would end of killing themselves in the process. As much as Chaos players want the destruction of the false emperor and the Imperium of Man laid low, this can not happen because their fuel would run out and they would self-destruct themselves. It is a cruel irony that as much as these forces hate each other, they must both exist in order to have contiued survival. The only force that is completely immune to this are the Necrons which is why I posed the question in the first place.

 Envihon wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Necron victory over "The Warp" would only be a temporary respite.

The Chaos Gods would not take this lying down. Unless the Necrons in the old lore complete their ability to sunder the Immaterium from reality, Chaos can still be a pivotal and dangerous force. A total victory by the Necrons against all psychically attuned species would be impossible in that context.

Assuredly though, expect the Imperium of Man to be dead for the Necrons to achieve dominance. However, the forces under the banner of Chaos would probably be still around. Chaos Space Marines and their slaves would undoubtedly turn their attention to vying for control of the galaxy against the Necrons.

Enslavers would probably contest the dominance of the Necrons by subjugating those in reality to fight their actions. Ruining the Immaterium in anyway would make them really unhappy.

Tyranids as a point of order would classify the Necrons as a threat to their existence, especially if the galactic biomass dips precipitously low enough for the Tyranids to recognize such a threat. Tomb Worlds would be overrun as Tyranids eliminated a contender for bio-matter necessary for their continued survival.

And the fragments of the C'Tan still out there not under their dominion would be also something to consider. If you do not entirely discount the previous C'Tan lore from the older codices, aspects of the Deceiver are still out there, moving their plans along in some fashion, the probable end game being uniting as many shards of itself as it can and gaining power enough to challenge the Necrons once more.

And also let us assume the entire Necron race does not unify entirely. Much like humanity, Necrons are shown to be shorn between conflicting loyalties and faults. Arrogance and superiority nurture jealousy and hate, which in turn breeds war.

In fact, I'd see a Necron Empire as being no different from the Imperium of Man, a galactic hegemony challenged by all sides, slowly crumbling from both the inside and out.

The Imperium dying would also lay a huge blow to Chaos as well, lest we forget what the Alpha Legion was actually working towards. Total victory for Horus meant that the defeat of Chaos was to be assured since Chaos would turn inward and destroy itself. The Imperium fuels Chaos by providing a polar opposite. The great irony is that as long as the Emperor lives, and has a connection to the material realm, it fuels Chaos. Destroy the force of order and the balance is tipped especially with there being no other Gods of Order left alive. As much as Chaos wants to think the death of the Imperium so great in reality it spells its own destruction, thus is the self defeating prophecy of Chaos. So in that case, the Necrons would find it easier to conquer the galaxy.

Except there is no reason at all to believe the Cabal speaks the truth, and Chaos has existed long before the Imperium ever as and managed perfectly fine.

Yes, but at that time the Eldar Gods are the ones who opposed Chaos and kept it in check. Slaanesh was born destroying them but then that is when humans became more psychically active and the Emperor rose to power to be a presence that once more balanced the forces of Chaos. There has always been something there to keep the balance at all times. Chaos can not exist without Order and vice versa otherwise what is Chaos. That is what is so finite about a force like the Necrons who seemingly exist out of this balancing act. To me that means that if they ever found a way to cut the warp off, some monumental changes would occur.

There has always been that dichotomy. As much as Imperial players would love to extinguish the fire of Chaos, they would end of killing themselves in the process. As much as Chaos players want the destruction of the false emperor and the Imperium of Man laid low, this can not happen because their fuel would run out and they would self-destruct themselves. It is a cruel irony that as much as these forces hate each other, they must both exist in order to have contiued survival. The only force that is completely immune to this are the Necrons which is why I posed the question in the first place.

The whole entire Chaos winning making chaos loose was already a stupid idea that makes no sense honestly. Chaos is always prone to self defeating tendencies but really what's the point? Chaos win by just letting emotions be amplified and continue on as they do. Plunging everything into the warp really wouldn't make a difference. That and not quite sure how The Emperor is holding chaos in check. If anything it's more like all the factions fighting one another mainly the imperium versus chaos is what holds it in check.

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Necron victory over "The Warp" would only be a temporary respite.

The Chaos Gods would not take this lying down. Unless the Necrons in the old lore complete their ability to sunder the Immaterium from reality, Chaos can still be a pivotal and dangerous force. A total victory by the Necrons against all psychically attuned species would be impossible in that context.

Assuredly though, expect the Imperium of Man to be dead for the Necrons to achieve dominance. However, the forces under the banner of Chaos would probably be still around. Chaos Space Marines and their slaves would undoubtedly turn their attention to vying for control of the galaxy against the Necrons.

Enslavers would probably contest the dominance of the Necrons by subjugating those in reality to fight their actions. Ruining the Immaterium in anyway would make them really unhappy.

Tyranids as a point of order would classify the Necrons as a threat to their existence, especially if the galactic biomass dips precipitously low enough for the Tyranids to recognize such a threat. Tomb Worlds would be overrun as Tyranids eliminated a contender for bio-matter necessary for their continued survival.

And the fragments of the C'Tan still out there not under their dominion would be also something to consider. If you do not entirely discount the previous C'Tan lore from the older codices, aspects of the Deceiver are still out there, moving their plans along in some fashion, the probable end game being uniting as many shards of itself as it can and gaining power enough to challenge the Necrons once more.

And also let us assume the entire Necron race does not unify entirely. Much like humanity, Necrons are shown to be shorn between conflicting loyalties and faults. Arrogance and superiority nurture jealousy and hate, which in turn breeds war.

In fact, I'd see a Necron Empire as being no different from the Imperium of Man, a galactic hegemony challenged by all sides, slowly crumbling from both the inside and out.

The Imperium dying would also lay a huge blow to Chaos as well, lest we forget what the Alpha Legion was actually working towards. Total victory for Horus meant that the defeat of Chaos was to be assured since Chaos would turn inward and destroy itself. The Imperium fuels Chaos by providing a polar opposite. The great irony is that as long as the Emperor lives, and has a connection to the material realm, it fuels Chaos. Destroy the force of order and the balance is tipped especially with there being no other Gods of Order left alive. As much as Chaos wants to think the death of the Imperium so great in reality it spells its own destruction, thus is the self defeating prophecy of Chaos. So in that case, the Necrons would find it easier to conquer the galaxy.

Except there is no reason at all to believe the Cabal speaks the truth, and Chaos has existed long before the Imperium ever as and managed perfectly fine.

Yes, but at that time the Eldar Gods are the ones who opposed Chaos and kept it in check. Slaanesh was born destroying them but then that is when humans became more psychically active and the Emperor rose to power to be a presence that once more balanced the forces of Chaos. There has always been something there to keep the balance at all times. Chaos can not exist without Order and vice versa otherwise what is Chaos. That is what is so finite about a force like the Necrons who seemingly exist out of this balancing act. To me that means that if they ever found a way to cut the warp off, some monumental changes would occur.

There has always been that dichotomy. As much as Imperial players would love to extinguish the fire of Chaos, they would end of killing themselves in the process. As much as Chaos players want the destruction of the false emperor and the Imperium of Man laid low, this can not happen because their fuel would run out and they would self-destruct themselves. It is a cruel irony that as much as these forces hate each other, they must both exist in order to have contiued survival. The only force that is completely immune to this are the Necrons which is why I posed the question in the first place.

Except there is no linear time or causality in the warp. Chaos has always been at full power and would suffer no ill from the Imperium's destruction, especially given that they have other sources of food/entertainment. Chaos is more than capable of wiping out most of the races in play right now, at least those bound to the materium or lacking a powerful localized defense like the GEOM, who presumably prevents Chaos Daemons from simply popping Sol and wiping out the entire Sol System and taking the God Emperor with it.

If the Chaos Gods wanted, they could easily obliterate the Necrons with little effort on their part. The only conclusion is that the Necrons aren't a threat in a first place, just an obstacle that can be quashed if ever so willed.

see guise you just dont get it chaos is invulnerable and all powerful and will not ever be defeated because its schroedinger and forever and infinite lawl

But in all seriousness, can you please contribute to the discussion besides telling everyone that Chaos can never, ever, ever be beat because it is infinity +1.

While a lot of things are open to interpretation, for instance, I think we can assume that since Chaos has not gone back in time to arbitrarily slaughter everything on stone age Earth and ensure the Emperor never comes into being, it is not all powerful or as capable of time travel as they suggest. -Yes, I say this aware that ships have arrived before leaving and all those other temporal anomalies with warp travel.
Furthermore, if it were all powerful, I doubt the Emperor would have been able to banish the combined mind of all four Gods from Horus and annihilate his soul in its entirety.

Meanwhile, Necrons have been shown to, on mass scale, be able to shut down the Warp on mass scale. The Eye of Terror, after all, is being held back (specifically at Cadia) by Pylons.
Pylons are able to blunt the Eye of Terror of all things.

Chaos is scary, and has potential, but to imply let alone *demand* that everyone here accept it is the Holy Avenger +5 of Warhammer is ridiculous and childish.

Chaos is not much different from mortals, mirroring their desires and dreams as well as destructive tendencies.

Chaos has not become supreme for several reasons, namely that like other factions, they have their own issues of infighting. In few truly spectacular moments do Daemons coordinate effectively, and rare individuals like Abbadon can coordinate the whims of the Chaos forces so effectively in the material universe.

A Necron victory in the galaxy would probably both be helped by Chaos and hindered by Chaos, but if the supposition is is that Necrons win (assuming this scenario as set forth by the OP), Chaos would still be Chaos, but in more ways than one attempting to claw back from a position weakened by the loss of the IoM to fuel their expansion even more.